Kleptocracy

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Denny Crane]

War, what is it good for?

barfo

It makes the Russia conspiracy theory look real.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Dems and Rasta will be there (third stage) in about 20 days.

Interesting......my immediate thought was that this was where you, Denny and MarAzul are as far as your responses to the election hacking by the Russians goes. But hey, who really gives a shit in the end as long as your boy "wins", da comrade??

 

[riverman]

Russia fucks with us, China fucks with us, hell even England fucks with us....and we fuck with everybody....spy vs spy...when they get caught, they pop up somewhere else. John McCain is no democrat but he's been the pt guard along with a large contingency of republicans and democrats who think cyber attacks are punishable...Eric Snowden has been exiled for how long? Guess an actual spy with a diplomatic passport would get the same treatment eh?

 

[Denny Crane]

Interesting......my immediate thought was that this was where you, Denny and MarAzul are as far as your responses to the election hacking by the Russians goes. But hey, who really gives a shit in the end as long as your boy "wins", da comrade??

WikiLeaks email dumps kind of proved the Democrats and DNC were more about wrecking the democratic process than the leaks themselves were.

 

[blue32]

Interesting......my immediate thought was that this was where you, Denny and MarAzul are as far as your responses to the election hacking by the Russians goes. But hey, who really gives a shit in the end as long as your boy "wins", da comrade??

Of course that's what you thought. You and your side are more into this false narrative of "election hacking" and trying to start some lose-lose war with Russia in an effort to de-legitimize Trump's win. Wet blankets.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I voted for Trump, but no one has asked how the Russians influenced me.

We didn't need to ask, once we saw that you changed the name of your boat to the синее море we knew.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Of course that's what you thought. You and your side are more into this false narrative of "election hacking" and trying to start some lose-lose war with Russia in an effort to de-legitimize Trump's win. Wet blankets.

If that's what you really think, then go for it "snowflake". I'm merely pointing out that you and Denny have an answer/excuse for virtually everything you don't want to hear, no matter how much it may actually be grounded in truth (whatever that is these days). I highly doubt any of us have any real clue as to what the "truth" is. It's all speculation and personal opinions. You don't want to hear dissent, all the while cramming your own brand of righteousness down the throats of anyone who has a different opinion than you. We get it. Trump won and how he might have done it is irrelevant. But I think we can all agree that the integrity of the American election system sucks (and has for years) and no one appears to be making any real effort to change that. You whine about Rasta's "whining" and then wonder why guys like me respond. If you think he is full of bullshit, then ignore him. But the "I know you are but what am I" responses only invite escalation. Take the high road for a change and let Rasta have his fun. I suspect he'll back off once you and Denny untwist your panties.

I personally am not looking for a war with Russia or anyone else. But I'm not stupid enough to believe that Russia will ever be our "friend" in my lifetime. So no, I don't support Trump (or any other president) giving Putin a hand job. And as far as Trump's win being "legitimate", I really don't give a rat's ass. I survived Bush/Cheney, so I expect to survive Trump/Pence........

 

[blue32]

If that's what you really think, then go for it "snowflake". I'm merely pointing out that you and Denny have an answer/excuse for virtually everything you don't want to hear, no matter how much it may actually be grounded in truth (whatever that is these days). I highly doubt any of us have any real clue as to what the "truth" is. It's all speculation and personal opinions. You don't want to hear dissent, all the while cramming your own brand of righteousness down the throats of anyone who has a different opinion than you. We get it. Trump won and how he might have done it is irrelevant. But I think we can all agree that the integrity of the American election system sucks (and has for years) and no one appears to be making any real effort to change that. You whine about Rasta's "whining" and then wonder why guys like me respond. If you think he is full of bullshit, then ignore him. But the "I know you are but what am I" responses only invite escalation. Take the high road for a change and let Rasta have his fun. I suspect he'll back off once you and Denny untwist your panties.

I personally am not looking for a war with Russia or anyone else. But I'm not stupid enough to believe that Russia will ever be our "friend" in my lifetime. So no, I don't support Trump (or any other president) giving Putin a hand job. And as far as Trump's win being "legitimate", I really don't give a rat's ass. I survived Bush/Cheney, so I expect to survive Trump/Pence........

Cool story bro! And a snowflake? LOL!

Denny and I don't have our panties in a twist we just enjoy proving all of you unhinged democratic voters wrong or that your narcissist intolerant view points are hypocritical at best.

The amount of vitriol from Rasta is unhealthy. But fine you and Barfo can continue to white knight his cause.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Cool story bro! And a snowflake? LOL!

Denny and I don't have our panties in a twist we just enjoy proving all of you unhinged democratic voters wrong or that your narcissist intolerant view points are hypocritical at best.

The amount of vitriol from Rasta is unhealthy. But fine you and Barfo can continue to white knight his cause.

You might want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills......or just your comprehension skills in general.....not that that would probably make any real difference. But thank you for proving my point, intentionally or not......

 

[blue32]

You might want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills......or just your comprehension skills in general.....not that that would probably make any real difference. But thank you for proving my point, intentionally or not......

Yep yep that's what I need to do. Pro tip!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Denny Crane]

When did this happen?

My bad, it didn't. It's only something that is between someone's ears.

 

[barfo]

When did this happen?

My bad, it didn't. It's only something that is between someone's ears.

I seem to remember you, early on in the Obama administration, claiming that deficits would continue to skyrocket, that we'd be paying nearly our entire GDP in interest payments, etc.

Well, guess what? Not only was that something that hadn't happened yet - it was only something between your ears at the time... it was also a bad prediction.

barfo

 

[riverman]

Something between the ears Denny.....it's called the brain...I don't get how you can read an article that's pretty much just mapping out possibilities and connecting dots between these folks and come back with......it didn't happen, something between someone's ears.....it's an interesting article..worth a read

 

[Denny Crane]

I seem to remember you, early on in the Obama administration, claiming that deficits would continue to skyrocket, that we'd be paying nearly our entire GDP in interest payments, etc.

Well, guess what? Not only was that something that hadn't happened yet - it was only something between your ears at the time... it was also a bad prediction.

barfo

Deficits DID skyrocket. That's an indisputable fact.

The budget was a matter of public record.

There is no public record of some illicit deal involving Sprint and T-Mobile.

 

[Denny Crane]

Something between the ears Denny.....it's called the brain...I don't get how you can read an article that's pretty much just mapping out possibilities and connecting dots between these folks and come back with......it didn't happen, something between someone's ears.....it's an interesting article..worth a read

Between someone's ears means VIVID imagination.

Not only that, it's pure and simple fear mongering. It's effective, too, based upon all the tweets being posted here (and obviously on twitter).

I did read the article. Didn't at all suggest it's anything but.

 

[barfo]

Deficits DID skyrocket. That's an indisputable fact.

And then they reversed course and came back down. Which was not at all what you predicted. Your predictions were pure and simple fear mongering.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

And then they reversed course and came back down. Which was not at all what you predicted. Your predictions were pure and simple fear mongering.

barfo

They did not reverse course. The debt is $20,000,000,000,000 and rising.

 

[barfo]

They did not reverse course. The debt is $20,000,000,000,000 and rising.

The deficit most definitely did reverse course, as the graph you posted clearly shows. That's what the big downward pointing arrow from 2009 to the present day indicates, along with the legend "deficits fell 66%".

And you know the debt is not the same thing as the deficit.

If you want to predict that deficits will rise under Trump... be my guest. They fell sharply under Obama.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

The deficit most definitely did reverse course, as the graph you posted clearly shows. That's what the big downward pointing arrow from 2009 to the present day indicates, along with the legend "deficits fell 66%".

And you know the debt is not the same thing as the deficit.

If you want to predict that deficits will rise under Trump... be my guest. They fell sharply under Obama.

barfo

What's the big upward arrow from 2015 into the future?

D'oh?

The deficits fell sharply under the republican congress. If Obama had his way, he'd have spent us much further into debt.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/another-obama-parting-gift-1472248987

Another Obama Parting Gift
His final fiscal year federal budget deficit will increase by 35%.

As President Obama ends his second term, he’s leaving plenty of political parting gifts. The latest is a 35% single-year increase in the federal budget deficit, and a rising trajectory of spending and debt as a share of the economy. Hillary Clinton’s campaign promise of more “stimulus” spending next year suddenly looks a lot more politically problematic.​

That’s the story you haven’t read from the Congressional Budget Office’s latest fiscal and economic outlook released this week. For the 2016 fiscal year that ends next month, CBO now forecasts that revenues will rise by only $26 billion while outlays will increase by some $178 billion. The federal deficit will therefore rise from $438 billion to $590 billion, the biggest deficit since 2013.

 

[barfo]

What's the big upward arrow from 2015 into the future?

Your boy Trump and his republican friends own that. Full control of all three branches of government - whatever happens in the future is on them.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Your boy Trump and his republican friends own that. Full control of all three branches of government - whatever happens in the future is on them.

barfo

It's absolutely true it's up to Republicans and Trump to solve the mess left to them by the previous administration.

They get the credit if things get better, too, right?

This is what your kind have cost:



Your claims in the first post about this subject are simply bullshit, too.

The actual claim is that the debt was going to skyrocket (it has and will continue if Obama's plans are adopted going forwards), and that a mere doubling of interest rates from 1% to 2% would crowd out a lot of what you think of as "important" government spending. Historically, interest rates have been much higher than 2%.

Time bomb. Tick tock.

 

[Denny Crane]

Thanks Obama. (That chart is Obama administration's own projections).

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-trillion-debt-increase-third-largest-history

The United States government closed out the 2016 fiscal year that ended a few days ago on Friday September 30th with a debt level of $19,573,444,713,936.79. That’s an increase of $1,422,827,047,452.46 over last year’s fiscal year close.

 

[barfo]

It's absolutely true it's up to Republicans and Trump to solve the mess left to them by the previous administration.

They get the credit if things get better, too, right?

As long as we apply the same rules. If things improve on Trump's watch compared to what he was left, he should get credit, as long as Obama also gets credit for improving the mess he was left with.

Or we can say that presidents have no control over the economy and should get no credit or blame. Either way is fine by me, as long as the rules are applied equally.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

As long as we apply the same rules. If things improve on Trump's watch compared to what he was left, he should get credit, as long as Obama also gets credit for improving the mess he was left with.

Or we can say that presidents have no control over the economy and should get no credit or blame. Either way is fine by me, as long as the rules are applied equally.

barfo

Or you can compare how Obama's recovery was compared to every other one in modern history.

7.5 years into it, we had near 0% gdp growth.

 

[barfo]

Or you can compare how Obama's recovery was compared to every other one in modern history.

7.5 years into it, we had near 0% gdp growth.

Sure, and let's see how Trump does. If there's a recession on Trump's watch, Obama wins. If Trump gets anything near the 6% GDP growth that Mags is promising, Trump wins.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Trump doesn't believe in debt. He'll just file bankruptcy.

 

[Denny Crane]

Sure, and let's see how Trump does. If there's a recession on Trump's watch, Obama wins. If Trump gets anything near the 6% GDP growth that Mags is promising, Trump wins.

barfo

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