OT Kobe Bryant is Gone

[VanillaGorilla]

I don't see what difference it makes exactly when Kobe said "he can see how she thought it wasn't consensual"...he certainly would not have said that before he paid the girl off.

IMO, MM's point stands.

That's not what he said though. If he said he sees how she thought she didn't consent, it would imply he's admitting that his actions had something to do with her thinking that. He said he sees how she feels that she didn't consent based on things he learned after the fact, not based on things he did before.

 

[yankeesince59]

That's not what he said though. If he said he sees how she thought she didn't consent, it would imply he's admitting that his actions had something to do with her thinking that. He said he sees how she feels that she didn't consent based on things he learned after the fact, not based on things he did before.

Again, of course he would say that after the fact...and of course he might word it that way after the fact because otherwise he'd be in deep shit.

All things considered, I believe he got away with a crime mainly because of his notoriety and the ability to afford high end lawyers.

 

[tlongII]

Nope, therefore not legally culpable for rape. Whether he's a rapist is unknown to us.

Are you of the opinion that court cases or legal investigations only ever result in the truth, and that guilty people are never found not guilty or vice versa? If you believe that, that would be a little bizarre but at least consistent with your posts here. If you don't believe that, claiming "he was found not guilty, therefore he didn't commit rape" makes no sense logically. The best you can say is "he was found not guilty, so therefore I don't believe he committed rape."

I believe I can’t call Kobe a rapist given the circumstances and evidence that is public knowledge.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Again, of course he would say that after the fact...and of course he might word it that way after the fact because otherwise he'd be in deep shit.

All things considered, I believe he got away with a crime mainly because of his notoriety and the ability to afford high end lawyers.

I wasn't saying anything about whether or not he committed a crime. I've just seen people (not necessarily MM) take that quote out of context and say that it is basically him admitting he didn't have consent. Which it's not.

 

[yankeesince59]

I wasn't saying anything about whether or not he committed a crime. I've just seen people (not necessarily MM) take that quote out of context and say that it is basically him admitting he didn't have consent. Which it's not.

Fair enough.

 

[Lanny]

Never admitted to anything, if I recall correctly.

The detective asked him if he thought it was rape and he answered yes it was rape. I don't know how you can get much clearer than that.
His only concern seemed to be not telling his wife.

 

[Lanny]

I believe I can’t call Kobe a rapist given the circumstances and evidence that is public knowledge.

Then you can't call OJ Simpson a murderer even though he is.

 

[tlongII]

Then you can't call OJ Simpson a murderer even though he is.

The evidence against OJ is more damning in my opinion.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

How many rapes as we define them happened in the thousands of years before we decided that rape was a thing? Anyone?

Just because we have defined it now doesn't mean it didn't happen in the past. When human beings didn't have any language was rape as we know it impossible?

Nope, being convicted or not doesn't change whether something happened or not. It changes how we as a collective punish someone. That is the only difference. Louis CK is barely allowed to live and Kobe was a saint now. Go fuck yourself if you think that.

 

[calvin natt]

How many rapes as we define them happened in the thousands of years before we decided that rape was a thing? Anyone?

Just because we have defined it now doesn't mean it didn't happen in the past. When human beings didn't have any language was rape as we know it impossible?

Nope, being convicted or not doesn't change whether something happened or not. It changes how we as a collective punish someone. That is the only difference. Louis CK is barely allowed to live and Kobe was a saint now. Go fuck yourself if you think that.

think what

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

think what

that kobe is untouchable because he died but louis should be perma banned or cancelled because he liked to spank it in front of women he asked beforehand. no pun intended

 

[Orion Bailey]

Some of you are really lost in hate and rage.

why, may i ask are some of you so hatefu towards Kobe for something he allegedly did, when even if he did it, the accuser took money and his wife forgave him? If those two could forgive and move on then the world should.

i mean those are the two affected the most and they moved on but some of you who never met him. Never knew the FULL story(only Kobe and the alleged victim knows), yet hold more of a grudge than his wife????

do some of you see how insane that seems, so worked up and angry about someone you never knew but was forgiven by his accuser and wife????

some of you need to get off your high horse aNd understand you weren't there!!!!


This thread is pathetically sad and just a micro picture of how we are blindly drawing lines in the sand without just cause, simply to assert our own moral stance.
Get over it. Kobes family did!!!!!

 

[yankeesince59]

Hmmm, someone who wasn't there may judge others who were not there.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Some of you are really lost in hate and rage.

why, may i ask are some of you so hatefu towards Kobe for something he allegedly did, when even if he did it, the accuser took money and his wife forgave him? If those two could forgive and move on then the world should.

i mean those are the two affected the most and they moved on but some of you who never met him. Never knew the FULL story(only Kobe and the alleged victim knows), yet hold more of a grudge than his wife????

do some of you see how insane that seems, so worked up and angry about someone you never knew but was forgiven by his accuser and wife????

some of you need to get off your high horse aNd understand you weren't there!!!!


This thread is pathetically sad and just a micro picture of how we are blindly drawing lines in the sand without just cause, simply to assert our own moral stance.
Get over it. Kobes family did!!!!!

It's a part of his legacy. Like it or not.

 

[calvin natt]

that kobe is untouchable because he died but louis should be perma banned or cancelled because he liked to spank it in front of women he asked beforehand. no pun intended

Louis CK is my allllll time favorite. I love him. Don’t love what he did, but his real life punishment has been surprising.

 

[Lanny]

Some of you are really lost in hate and rage.

why, may i ask are some of you so hatefu towards Kobe for something he allegedly did, when even if he did it, the accuser took money and his wife forgave him? If those two could forgive and move on then the world should.

i mean those are the two affected the most and they moved on but some of you who never met him. Never knew the FULL story(only Kobe and the alleged victim knows), yet hold more of a grudge than his wife????

do some of you see how insane that seems, so worked up and angry about someone you never knew but was forgiven by his accuser and wife????

some of you need to get off your high horse aNd understand you weren't there!!!!


This thread is pathetically sad and just a micro picture of how we are blindly drawing lines in the sand without just cause, simply to assert our own moral stance.
Get over it. Kobes family did!!!!!

Nothing is alleged. Kobe admitted to all in a police report. Kobe signed the report. I don't get all this crap about Bryant not being convicted of rape and therefor he didn't do it. I mean, a person who can reason must accept a voluntary signed document proving rape.

Then there are the bruise marks around the victim's neck and Kobe's statement that he likes to choke his partners when he is having sex with them. Does this sound normal? And you call us sick?

I want to believe that Kobe changed, that he sought forgiveness and that he was working on his behavioral weaknesses. Being a Catholic he just might have been doing this. If he was attempting to reform and was seeking forgiveness I'd love to see it and then I could happily change my opinion of him.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Nothing is alleged. Kobe admitted to all in a police report. Kobe signed the report. I don't get all this crap about Bryant not being convicted of rape and therefor he didn't do it. I mean, a person who can reason must accept a voluntary signed document proving rape.

Then there are the bruise marks around the victim's neck and Kobe's statement that he likes to choke his partners when he is having sex with them. Does this sound normal? And you call us sick?

I want to believe that Kobe changed, that he sought forgiveness and that he was working on his behavioral weaknesses. Being a Catholic he just might have been doing this. If he was attempting to reform and was seeking forgiveness I'd love to see it and then I could happily change my opinion of him.

did you read my post at all???? It had hardly anything to do with innocent or guilty....

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Then there are the bruise marks around the victim's neck and Kobe's statement that he likes to choke his partners when he is having sex with them. Does this sound normal? And you call us sick?

Oh Lanny. That is pretty common place nowadays. The disntinction is that if it was not consensual, obviously bad. But if it is consensual, that happens all the time nowadays. Being choked or being the choker is a common kink.

There are even people out there who like consensual nonconsensual sex. Where they role play getting raped.

Not trying to downplay the Kobe incident. Just saying, it isn't sick.

 

[julius]

Please, show me where I am.

I'm so surprised there was no response.

Spoiler

not really surprised

 

[yankeesince59]

Oh Lanny. That is pretty common place nowadays. The disntinction is that if it was not consensual, obviously bad. But if it is consensual, that happens all the time nowadays. Being choked or being the choker is a common kink.

There are even people out there who like consensual nonconsensual sex. Where they role play getting raped.

Not trying to downplay the Kobe incident. Just saying, it isn't sick.

I think Lanny's point was nothing more than the correlation between the fact that the woman had bruise marks around her neck and the fact that Kobe enjoys choking his sexual partners.

Men/women who may on occasion enjoy being choked during sex/orgasm don't necessarily want it every time they have sex.

Furthermore, the incident was in 2003 so it was not "nowadays".

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I think Lanny's point was nothing more than the correlation between the fact that the woman had bruise marks around her neck and the fact that Kobe enjoys choking his sexual partners.

Men/women who may on occasion enjoy being choked during sex/orgasm don't necessarily want it every time they have sex.

Furthermore, the incident was in 2003 so it was not "nowadays".

Which is fine. I made the distinction that if it is nonconsensual it is not ok. But being into choking or being choked while having sex is not really abnormal.

Choking and being choked was a thing in 2003 too. Don't kid yourself. I was in college around that time and it was rampant then too.

 

[yankeesince59]

Which is fine. I made the distinction that if it is nonconsensual it is not ok. But being into choking or being choked while having sex is not really abnormal.

Choking and being choked was a thing in 2003 too. Don't kid yourself. I was in college around that time and it was rampant then too.

I'm not trying to kid anyone. And I'm not the one questioning Lanny's intended meaning. I was also around in 2003 and sorry but what you are describing is quite different than my experiences...Lanny's too I would guess.

If you can provide some sort of data showing that choking during sex was "rampant" in 2003 I will yield....otherwise, no.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I'm not trying to kid anyone. And I'm not the one questioning Lanny's intended meaning. If you can provide some sort of data showing that choking during sex was "rampant" in 2003 I will yield....otherwise, no.

All you have to do is google yourself. A quick look at wiki for erotic asphyxiation shows references to articles written in the 80's and 90's talking about it.

Some people like having sex under the covers with the lights off. That is fine. But there are others that like to live a little. Check out some of the bdsm websites out there. Trust me when I say there are some interesting things people are into. Choking is one of the tamer ones.

As a student at a university back in that time, i can assure you, it was a thing.

 

[yankeesince59]

All you have to do is google yourself. A quick look at wiki for erotic asphyxiation shows references to articles written in the 80's and 90's talking about it.

Some people like having sex under the covers with the lights off. That is fine. But there are others that like to live a little. Check out some of the bdsm websites out there. Trust me when I say there are some interesting things people are into. Choking is one of the tamer ones.

As a student at a university back in that time, i can assure you, it was a thing.

A few people who like to choke/be choked?...sure.

But "rampant" no. I can name some well known people who were evidently into that sort of deviance and died as a result.

Since when is dying considered "living"?

 

[SlyPokerCat]

A few people who like to choke/be choked?...sure.

But "rampant" no. I can name some well known people who were evidently into that sort of deviance and died as a result.

Since when is dying considered "living"?

People can die from anything. If that is how you feel, I guess you shouldn't bungie jump, or hike, or get in a car either.

Stop kink shaming bro.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

@EL PRESIDENTE is a bro. Can you confirm the ladies love some kinky shit?

 

[yankeesince59]

People can die from anything. If that is how you feel, I guess you shouldn't bungie jump, or hike, or get in a car either.

Stop kink shaming bro.

Ahhh, I see...so now "bungie jumping" is "rampant too?

The odds of being struck by lightening are about the same as winning the lottery...but that doesn't mean you should run around in a lightening storm with a lightening rod in your hand either.

And "kink shaming"?...really?

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Ahhh, I see...so now "bungie jumping" is "rampant too?

The odds of being struck by lightening are about the same as winning the lottery...but that doesn't mean you should run around in a lightening storm with a lightening rod in your hand either.

Lol. Choking during sex happens much more than you are trying to let on bro. Go do some research to see all the heathens that are out there.

Warning. You may find pictures of women who get their ass beat so badly they have black and blue marks covering their entire asses because they love the pain.

 

[yankeesince59]

Lol. Choking during sex happens much more than you are trying to let on bro. Go do some research to see all the heathens that are out there. Try Fetlife at first if you must.

Warning. You may find pictures of women who get their ass beat so badly they have black and blue marks covering their entire asses because they love the pain.

Sorry, I'll pass. And I ain't your "bro".

Why not start a poll to see how many people here think that what you are claiming is the norm and whether or not they practice it?

Never said it doesn't happen ...I only said it's not "rampant".

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Sorry, I'll pass. And I ain't your "bro".

Why not start a poll to see how many people here think that what you are claiming is the norm and whether or not they practice it?

Never said it doesn't happen ...I only said it's not "rampant".

Why do I want to poll old people? You can go to one of the many bdsm websites to see how many people talk about choking and similar kinks.

Sorry for calling you bro, pal.