Kobe tells Lakers, "TRADE ME"

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jun 1 2007, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You think it will be filled to watch a decent team with Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, and Lamar Odom running the show?</div>Yes. Without a doubt it will be. The Lakers put people in the Seats because they're the Lakers. They're like the Yankees in that you either love them or hate them and there is no middle ground, but either way you go to the game either to cheer for them or root against them. Success breeds Jealously. And much like the Knicks are, weather they have a quality team or not there will be a ton of people sitting in the seats because they have a great fan base and it's the 'In' thing to do. That has little to do with Kobe.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jun 1 2007, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jun 1 2007, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You think it will be filled to watch a decent team with Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, and Lamar Odom running the show?</div>Yes. Without a doubt it will be. The Lakers put people in the Seats because they're the Lakers. They're like the Yankees in that you either love them or hate them and there is no middle ground, but either way you go to the game either to cheer for them or root against them. Success breeds Jealously. And much like the Knicks are, weather they have a quality team or not there will be a ton of people sitting in the seats because they have a great fan base and it's the 'In' thing to do. That has little to do with Kobe.</div>See, that's where you're wrong. LA has things to do, UCLA Basketball, the Clippers, the Lakers, the Dodgers, Southern Cal. Football, The Raiders and A's are near by, the Angels, then you have all the non sports stuff. When the Yankees were terrible and the Blue Jays were winning rings, the Yankees were only half filling the stands. Why do people watch the Yankees now, despite the losing? Because they have STARS. And Basketball is a star driven league. People go to watch stars. List the teams that pack the house when they are losers. There are few teams that pack the house when they are losers. The Cubs, the Packers, the Bears, the Bulls and that's about it. Northern teams where fans have nothing to do outside of watch their team. The Lakers are in LA. There is a lot to do there, and why watch Deng bring the team to a 35 win season when you could be doing a million other things? Of course there are die hards. There are always die hards for every team. But a team doesn't live on die hards, it lives on the casual fan who they get through the door. Basketball attendence is down, but people still go to watch special stars.You brought up the Knicks. That proves the point. The Knicks had the record for most consecutive games sold out, but they stopped selling games out when they started sucking. Why? There are other things to do in New York. The Garden was no longer sold out, once the Knicks didn't have the star power to bring players in. They have no stars, and are not good (which are intertwined btw) so no one goes. Take Kobe from the Lakers, the house will not be packed. You'll have a mediocre team that is boring and too many other things to do in LA.
 
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Yeah, the Knicks in all their misery only sold 95.1% of their Tickets last season, as opposed to 95.8 in 2005-2006, 98.7% in 2004-2005, 96.6% in 2003-2004, and 96.2% in 2002-2003. Their misery caused at most a 1-3% decrease in the amount of tickets sold, which is next to nothing.
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The Lakers sold 99.6% this year, as opposed to 99.1% in 2005-2006, 98.7% in 2004-2005, 99.5% in 2003-2004, and 98.4% in 2002-2003. Their Attendence has actually gone up in recent years marginally, even though they haven't been a legit Championship Contender and they lost a star player in Shaq. You take Kobe away, and they will still sell above 95% of the tickets for next season. Sorry, but it's a fact. They might have other things they could do, but they sure aren't doing them because they're going to the games regardless of weather their team is Good, or Bad. Why do people watch the Yankees now? Because America Hates the Yankees and likes to revel in their misery. Plain and Simple. People aren't watching the games to see Bobby Abreu, Robinson Cano, or Johnny Damon when they hitting at replacement player level or going to see Mike Mussina when he is playing at replacement player level as well.
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Venom's right, its just cuz they're the Lakers. I live here, I know. And the Cards and D-backs are closer than the Raiders and A's are lol...
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jun 1 2007, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, the Knicks in all their misery only sold 95.1% of their Tickets last season, as opposed to 95.8 in 2005-2006, 98.7% in 2004-2005, 96.6% in 2003-2004, and 96.2% in 2002-2003. Their misery caused at most a 1-3% decrease in the amount of tickets sold, which is next to nothing.
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The Lakers sold 99.6% this year, as opposed to 99.1% in 2005-2006, 98.7% in 2004-2005, 99.5% in 2003-2004, and 98.4% in 2002-2003. Their Attendence has actually gone up in recent years marginally, even though they haven't been a legit Championship Contender and they lost a star player in Shaq. You take Kobe away, and they will still sell above 95% of the tickets for next season. Sorry, but it's a fact. They might have other things they could do, but they sure aren't doing them because they're going to the games regardless of weather their team is Good, or Bad. Why do people watch the Yankees now? Because America Hates the Yankees and likes to revel in their misery. Plain and Simple. People aren't watching the games to see Bobby Abreu, Robinson Cano, or Johnny Damon when they hitting at replacement player level or going to see Mike Mussina when he is playing at replacement player level as well.
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</div>First, you've ceded the main point already. Now you are arguing the peripherals. Lol. But ok. The Knicks sold out every game when they had a legit star in Ewing. And if the Lakers aren't selling out with Kobe you think they'll sell 95% without him and without replacing another star while while making a half assed run at the playoffs? I'm sorry, but they won't. And since we are down to you trying to win the third tier of the argument, I'll go ahead and claim victory and move on. You can have the third tier, I'll take 1 and 2 and be perfectly satisfied.
 
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Listening to you, one would think that Kobe was the second coming of Christ.And you're right, MJ didn't win championships without a supporting cast. But it's not because the supporting cast lacked talent. It was because MJ was able to get the most of his teammates and made their team better. Think Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman would have been able to lead a team to the playoffs? On the other hand, Kobe just wants to pile up stats and play 1 on 5. He's not a leader. He just does what he wants. No one, as talented as they are, would want to play hard with him cause Kobe is Kobe. He has to get his 35 shot attempts per game and there's no point in attempting to support him if he never gives you the chance and goes public about having to go solo and talking about how he alone has to win games.Because Kobe can't win a championship because of his pure nature, there's no way he's worth more than a bunch of very good players. At least those very good players cause bond and create a great team. While Kobe will just be one of the best individual players but the best player to never be able to lead his team to a championship. Shaq was the one that won those championships. Wade led the Heat to the championship last year. Tim Duncan led his team to championships when Robinson was aging. LeBron might lead his team to a championship this year. All Kobe can say is he won 3 championships... as the sidekick.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 3 2007, 07:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As the side kick? :LMAO:</div>Who was the MVP of the 3 titles they won? Was it Kobe? No. It was Shaq
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DevinHester23 @ Jun 3 2007, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 3 2007, 07:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As the side kick? :LMAO:</div>Who was the MVP of the 3 titles they won? Was it Kobe? No. It was Shaq</div>Exactly. And who the MVP during the championship years? Shaq.Kobe will never win an MVP until he proves he can not only deliver good stats but be a good leader on the court and teammate that can make everyone around him better.Oh and by the way, he's a bush league player by flailing his arms whenever he gets blocked or stripped.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe will never win an MVP until he proves he can not only deliver good stats but be a good leader on the court and teammate that can make everyone around him better.</div>Sad, but true.One thing Dirk Nowitzki, and Steve Nash both had in common though, was that second guy who could create his own shot, and pick up the slack when either of them were struggling. One thing Kobe hasn't had the benefit of since Shaq left LA.And with that said, LA still manages to make the postseason. That's the defenition of valuable.Who does Kobe have?Smush Parker? He belongs in the D League.Lamar Odom? Consistently inconsistent.Luke Walton? Unlike his father, he's just a role player, and always will be.Kwame Brown? He's far form his days in Washington, but is very inconsistent as well.Andrew Bynum? Brian Cook? Aaron McKie? Chris Mihm? Sasha Vujacic? PLEASE.Los Angeles may not have had the best record in the league, far from it, but you take either Dirk, or Nash off their respective teams, and put them up against the Lakers without Kobe, it wouldn't even be a contest. Once again, the defenition of valuable.And lastly, do you know who Shaq (yes, Shaq) picked as his MVP? He even said it on the radio. Not Dirk, not Nash, not LeBron, but Kobe. As did Amare Stoudemire. They know what they're talking about.By the way, I'm a Sonics fan, not a Lakers homer.
 
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It's not his teammates fault that Kobe takes more than 25% more attempts than Dirk. More than 100 attempts than LeBron.And the Lakers went 3-2 without Kobe because they can play just as well as a team without Kobe.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Jun 3 2007, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's not his teammates fault that Kobe takes more than 25% more attempts than Dirk. More than 100 attempts than LeBron.And the Lakers went 3-2 without Kobe because they can play just as well as a team without Kobe.</div>That brings us back to my origional point about their supporting cast.Dallas doesn't rely as heavily on Dirk as LA does on Kobe. Theres also Jason Terry, Josh Howard, Jerry Stackhouse, and Devin Harris, so naturally his shot attempts will be lower than Bryants.And with LeBron, it's not as much, but even he has a better supporting cast.Who else would you want shooting the ball for the Lakers? Odom? He's probably their best second option, but he is way to inconsistent. Parker? Walton? Evans? Vujacic? No way.And are you telling me the Lakers could make the playoffs without Kobe? They had a nice win against Phoenix without Bryant (although Amare played just 11 minutes that game) but then they went and lost to the Knicks. Without Kobe they'd be lucky to reach 30 wins.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Jun 3 2007, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's not his teammates fault that Kobe takes more than 25% more attempts than Dirk. More than 100 attempts than LeBron.And the Lakers went 3-2 without Kobe because they can play just as well as a team without Kobe.</div>The Lakers are better when he scores, not when he gets assists and "helps his teammates out." When he scores 34+ their record is great. When he has 10+ assists it's not. Kobe has to carry the team.And the Knicks had a better record without Ewing in the playoffs then they did with him (during the Ewing era), does that mean they should have benched a top 10 center of all time? No, because a few games are no way to judge a team without a player.
 
Re: Kobe tells Lakers, "TRADE ME"

The last 2 posts explain everything there is to be explained about this arguement. I really can't see a way to respond to them.
 
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I don't know what the argument is about but I'll say one thing; Kobe is the best basketball player of all time, but he's the worst team player out of all the superstars today.
 
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Bill Simmons, btw, agreed with me that none of the deals he offered were matching the value of Kobe.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>While we're here, my ESPN colleague Colin Cowherd mocked my seven trade scenarios for Kobe on the radio last week without reading the entire column or even attempting to understand its premise, namely, that the trade options for Kobe were limited because (A) he needed to go to a big market for a team that could contend right away, and (
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nobody pays 100 cents on the dollar for a team looking to unload an unhappy superstar.</div>Which is what I was saying. Kobe's value is high, and no one will offer his WORTH.
 
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