KP on with Canzano @ 3:05 Today

[PapaG]

Didn't it get clarified earlier that Quick had it backwards and that ROY wanted the 4 years NOT KP? (This also makes sense unlike what Quick wrote as Roy would have more bargaining power as a 7 year vet and could make more money that way).

It didn't get clarified. It was assumed. After listening to Pritchard, however, it appears Quick had it right.

 

[andalusian]

Also, how hard is it to offer your two-time All-Star and franchise player a guaranteed max contract? Hedo Turkoglu was going to get 5 years at age 30, yet 25 year-old Roy only gets offered 4 years?

KP never said that he only offered Roy 4 years. There is a very good chance that even if Turk agreed to come to Portland - they would take some time to hammer the details - everything from the types of media-activities, team and/or player options, special bonuses and the like. Same with Roy.

These things usually have lawyers going over each and every detail 3, 4 or more times.

At this point - the only thing KP did say publicly is that both of those guys will be here for a long time, everything else is speculation or creative reporting. It might be right, it might be wrong. Personally, I am not going to get upset about it.

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

It didn't get clarified. It was assumed. After listening to Pritchard, however, it appears Quick had it right.

It's still not clarified, probably because HE CAN'T COMMENT ON SPECIFICS. But yeah, the safe assumption is to assume that our general manager only wants our franchise player signed for 4 years instead of 5.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

KP is getting on the annoying side for me . . . when he said the way the Hedo situation worked out was the best possible thing for the Blazers, I have to wonder if he thinks people buy this stuff?

Can he not just say the Hedo situation was a disappointment and a bit of a set back but there are plenty of other options out there and we are excited about the opportunties we still have because of the Turk situation?

 

[tlongII]

KP is getting on the annoying side for me . . . when he said the way the Hedo situation worked out was the best possible thing for the Blazers, I have to wonder if he thinks people buy this stuff?

Can he not just say the Hedo situation was a disappointment and a bit of a set back but there are plenty of other options out there and we are excited about the opportunties we still have because of the Turk situation?

KP has had an epiphany and come around to my way of thinking.

 

[Minstrel]

Can he not just say the Hedo situation was a disappointment and a bit of a set back but there are plenty of other options out there and we are excited about the opportunties we still have because of the Turk situation?

He did say that. He said he was still very disappointed about how the Turkoglu situation worked out, but if a player doesn't feel he fits in here, then it is probably for the best.

Nothing particularly controversial or insightful there...like most executives talking for public consumption. I'm continually amazed that people expect Pritchard to bear his soul and offer real insight into his plans when speaking to the general public. Maybe he wants to keep his plans, intentions and professional thoughts...secret?

Trying to overparse every comment of his for subtle, hidden meaning is probably going to leave you disappointed.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

He did say that. He said he was still very disappointed about how the Turkoglu situation worked out, but if a player doesn't feel he fits in here, then it is probably for the best.

Nothing particularly controversial or insightful there...like most executives talking for public consumption. I'm continually amazed that people expect Pritchard to bear his soul and offer real insight into his plans when speaking to the general public. Maybe he wants to keep his plans, intentions and professional thoughts...secret?

Trying to overparse every comment of his for subtle, hidden meaning is probably going to leave you disappointed.

Well I guess I found who buys into his lines.

I amazed that you are constantly amazed at posters on a forum . . . I would think after these many years you would be used to this stuff.

Maybe KP wants to keep his plans and intentions secret . . . he didn't with Hedo and tried to convince us what a great fit he would be for Ptd (before being signed) and had some wierd media event when Hedo came to town. But sure, trying to keep things secret (like they are going after Milsap) might somehow change the course of events.

Trying to constantly defend KP's comments against others who question his comments will probably leave you typing on the computer all day.

 

[Minstrel]

I amazed that you are constantly amazed at posters on a forum . . . I would think after these many years you would be used to this stuff.

I like to be constantly amazed. You have to approach the world with a continually refreshed sense of wonder.

Trying to constantly defend KP's comments against others who question his comments will probably leave you typing on the computer all day.

I don't "defend" them, because that implies there's some content in them to defend. They're generic, media-friendly sound bites.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I don't "defend" them, because that implies there's some content in them to defend. They're generic, media-friendly sound bites.

Theere you go defending again.

You say media friendly sound bites, I say intelligence insulting and patronizing.

I don't give KP a free pass for selling us on how good a fit Hedo is for the Blazers and then him saying something to the effect that the way the Hedo situation worked out was the best possible result for the Blazers.

 

[Minstrel]

You say media friendly sound bites, I say intelligence insulting and patronizing.

Either one works.

I don't give KP a free pass for selling us on how good a fit Hedo is for the Blazers and then him saying something to the effect that the way the Hedo situation worked out was the best possible result for the Blazers.

I don't think he actually said that, though. I believe he said it was a disappointment, but if the player didn't want to be here, then it's probably for the best. The "best possible result," presumably, would have been Turkoglu wanting to be a Blazer and joining the roster.

Logically, it's perfectly reasonable to say that IF the player didn't want to be a part of the team and didn't feel he fit, it's probably for the best that he isn't. That's not contradictory with believing that having a committed Turkoglu would be ideal.

To analogize: If you have a girlfriend who breaks up with because she doesn't love you, it's reasonable to both believe that the perfect situation would be for her to still love you and be together with you but that IF she doesn't love you, then it's best that you two aren't in a relationship.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Either one works.



I don't think he actually said that, though. I believe he said it was a disappointment, but if the player didn't want to be here, then it's probably for the best. The "best possible result," presumably, would have been Turkoglu wanting to be a Blazer and joining the roster.

Logically, it's perfectly reasonable to say that IF the player didn't want to be a part of the team and didn't feel he fit, it's probably for the best that he isn't. That's not contradictory with believing that having a committed Turkoglu would be ideal.

To analogize: If you have a girlfriend who breaks up with because she doesn't love you, it's reasonable to both believe that the perfect situation would be for her to still love you and be together with you but that IF she doesn't love you, then it's best that you two aren't in a relationship.

Man minstrel you are just buying into this KP stuff. I don't know, maybe you are right and KP isn't just blowing smoke. Or maybe if KP offered more money than Toronto, all of a sudden Turk loves Ptd.

This isn't a girlfriend, this is an employee/employer relationship. Intel has some of the best and brightest engineers working here in Hillsboro . . . and I don't think it is because Hillsboro reminds them of their home country.

In other words I think KP is using the fact that Turk likes the city of Toronto better as a justification for why it is good thing the Blazers couldn't lock down Turk.

But whatever, it's done . . . I want less management talking and more management action . . . and in the end I don't care how long it takes, as long as something is done this summer (this summer is the summer KP and co have been talking about for 2 years)

 

[Minstrel]

Man minstrel you are just buying into this KP stuff. I don't know, maybe you are right and KP isn't just blowing smoke.

I think I've been fairly clear in saying that I do think Pritchard is blowing smoke. Remember my amazement that people expect to hear actual insights into Pritchard's thinking from him?

I just don't think your logic passes muster on this one, that's all. I'm not saying that Pritchard and Turkoglu were romantically involved (if they were, it wouldn't have been an analogy, after all). I'm saying that it's logically consistent to believe that something would be great if the other person were interested also, but to also believe that if the other person is not interested, then it's probably best for all concerned to part ways.

Or maybe if KP offered more money than Toronto, all of a sudden Turk loves Ptd.

Maybe. Of course, Pritchard didn't have more money to offer, so...not sure the relevance of this.

I want less management talking and more management action

I'm completely neutral to how much management talking there is, but also interested in action. So we sortof agree, though not exactly!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I think I've been fairly clear in saying that I do think Pritchard is blowing smoke. Remember my amazement that people expect to hear actual insights into Pritchard's thinking from him?

I just don't think your logic passes muster on this one, that's all. I'm not saying that Pritchard and Turkoglu were romantically involved (if they were, it wouldn't have been an analogy, after all). I'm saying that it's logically consistent to believe that something would be great if the other person were interested also, but to also believe that if the other person is not interested, then it's probably best for all concerned to part ways.



Maybe. Of course, Pritchard didn't have more money to offer, so...not sure the relevance of this.



I'm completely neutral to how much management talking there is, but also interested in action. So we sortof agree, though not exactly!

I thought the Blazers could renounce the rights to the Euros and gain some more cap room.

Also, if Hedo was really KP's guy and KP and Penn are as savy as they have been given credit . . . they should have anticpated a possible Toronto slap and not picked up TO's contract giving them more room. If money was the issue, then Blazers miscalculated or figured Hedo wasn't worth letting TO or the euros go.

 

[Minstrel]

I thought the Blazers could renounce the rights to the Euros and gain some more cap room.

Well, that is true. But that wouldn't have closed the gap between the two offers, I don't think.

If money was the issue, then Blazers miscalculated or figured Hedo wasn't worth letting TO or the euros go.

Or thought it wasn't worth the risk to let Outlaw/Blake go before even seeing if a free agent would bite their delicious money hook.

 

[crandc]

nope. just talked about how roy will be here for a long time and the extension process is complicated

There are a lot of details they could be discussing - front or back loaded, player or team option, incentives, whatever. If both sides want the deal done, which seems to be the case, they will have "amicable" discussion where one party says OK I'll give you A now give me B.

And Mr. Canzano, I don't really think Roy wants Paul Allen's underpants - I'm sure he has plenty of his own. And if he's lucky, his partner chooses them.