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Phx is going to lose tonight to the Sixers. Overall they are barely holding onto 8th spot and sinking with a quickly aging Nash and an all star who wants to be traded and will likely walk in 2010. Phx is the only team I remember reading about that was looking for cap space (to make a run at Amare in 2010 :D ).

I think a Blazer trade goes through Phx. We have what they want (salary sapce and youth), and they are actively trying to move Amare. Obviously the trick ( I'll leave that to the people that get paid for it) is to work some otehr team in the deal as Amare is not a good fit here. But other teams must want him and we have something Phx wants . . . which a lot of other teams don't.
 
An Amare trade rumor I found (Net's board):

Their first offer, according to a general manager who has an understanding of Kerr's wish list, undoubtedly includes young forwards Yi Jianlian and Ryan Anderson, along with one of the three first-round picks the Nets own over the next two summers. The GM requested anonymity because he was commenting on another team's players.

As for those veteran salaries to make the numbers match, the Nets would like for Phoenix to take Bobby Simmons off their hands -- he has another year left on his contract, at $11.2 million -- but the Suns will undoubtedly push for the expiring deals belonging to Stromile Swift ($6.2M) and Jarvis Hayes ($1.9M, with a team option for next season).

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From the Suns board:

If Kerr and assistant GM David Griffin do trade Stoudemire, a four-time All-Star, they want a combination of expiring contracts, a talented young player – preferably a forward – and draft picks. Stoudemire is expected to opt out of his contract for the historic free-agent summer of 2010. He makes $15 million this season and $16.3 million next season. His relationship with Suns management has steadily deteriorated and few expect that either side is interested in a contract extension.
 
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it's_GO_time said:
Phx is going to lose tonight to the Sixers. Overall they are barely holding onto 8th spot and sinking with a quickly aging Nash and an all star who wants to be traded and will likely walk in 2010. Phx is the only team I remember reading about that was looking for cap space (to make a run at Amare in 2010 :D ).

I think a Blazer trade goes through Phx. We have what they want (salary sapce and youth), and they are actively trying to move Amare. Obviously the trick ( I'll leave that to the people that get paid for it) is to work some otehr team in the deal as Amare is not a good fit here. But other teams must want him and we have something Phx wants . . . which a lot of other teams don't.
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For some reason, this year I've become interested in inventing trade proposals. How about this?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...797&teams=21~21~21~21~1~22~22~22~22&te=&cash=

Frye is just added to give Phoenix more expiring contracts. Murray and Hunter were inconsequential filler to make the salaries match up. Neither makes much and both expire at the end of the year anyway.
 
Atlanta is dropping, but I don't think they would let Josh Smith go in hopes of a run with Amare/Bibby/Johnson. Maybe . . .

Thanks for getting my point though, a big name without giving up Roy/Aldrdige/Oden could be possible if Suns would take cap space and youth for Amare and Blazers can find their way into the mix. Names like Jaminson, Wallace, Jackson and others might be possible.

PHx is cheap and maybe the economy has made them even cheaper.
 
it's_GO_time said:
Atlanta is dropping, but I don't think they would let Josh Smith go in hopes of a run with Amare/Bibby/Johnson. Maybe . . .
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The rationale for them was consolidation trade...turning two inferior players in Smith and Williams into Amare. It gives them an excellent front court in Amare and Horford and an excellent backcourt in Bibby and Johnson. I dunno if they'd do it, but a potentially dominant scoring big man is something haven't had since...ever.

Portland is upgrading Batum and Rudy into Smith and Williams. I like both Batum and Rudy a lot, but Williams is a great reserve and Smith is an upgrade on either Batum or Rudy, especially when you count Smith's defense. Cap space is the asset they're using to get that upgrade.

And Phoenix gets a lot of expiring money and two good young players in Batum and Rudy.

I don't know if everyone would be on board, but I think each team is getting non-laughable value.
 
The only players PHX has that interest me in that they would be nice additions to our team are Barbosa, Amundson and maybe Barnes.
 
zagsfan20 said:
The only players PHX has that interest me in that they would be nice additions to our team are Barbosa, Amundson and maybe Barnes.
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i think he meant talking to phoenix about 3 way deals in which portland sends raef and a couple of players to the suns, amare goes to a 3rd team, and portland then gets a small forward that way.
 
it's_GO_time said:
Phx is going to lose tonight to the Sixers. Overall they are barely holding onto 8th spot and sinking with a quickly aging Nash and an all star who wants to be traded and will likely walk in 2010. Phx is the only team I remember reading about that was looking for cap space (to make a run at Amare in 2010 :D ).

I think a Blazer trade goes through Phx. We have what they want (salary sapce and youth), and they are actively trying to move Amare. Obviously the trick ( I'll leave that to the people that get paid for it) is to work some otehr team in the deal as Amare is not a good fit here. But other teams must want him and we have something Phx wants . . . which a lot of other teams don't.
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how about something like the blazers send raef/outlaw/sergio to phoenix, the suns send amare to detroit, and the pistons send prince, maxiell, and change to portland? i'm sure the suns would need more than that, but detroit's pick and cash could maybe do it.
 
rocketeer said:
how about something like the blazers send raef/outlaw/sergio to phoenix, the suns send amare to detroit, and the pistons send prince, maxiell, and change to portland? i'm sure the suns would need more than that, but detroit's pick and cash could maybe do it.
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Great deal for Portland and Detroit, but Phoenix gets back way too little, I think. Getting expiring salary back seems to be something Phoenix would value, but I think they're going to want some real talent back for Stoudemire, who's been among the most valuable players in the game the last few years. Outlaw, Rodriguez and a mid-first-round pick is probably not going to tempt them.

I do like the idea of Portland getting their hands on Prince and Maxiell. Perhaps Rudy also going to Phoenix would be enough. It's hard to balance objectivity and desire to squeeze out the best deal possible for Portland. ;)
 
I submit that Raef/Batum/Outlaw/Freeland/'09 #1 would be enough for PHX to give up Amare. If we could land Prince and Maxiell for that package, I'd be more than satisfied.
 
rocketeer said:
how about something like the blazers send raef/outlaw/sergio to phoenix, the suns send amare to detroit, and the pistons send prince, maxiell, and change to portland? i'm sure the suns would need more than that, but detroit's pick and cash could maybe do it.
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I love this trade, but wonder if the Pistons think that much of Amare.

If we get involved with moving STAT, I'd guess it would be in a 3-way scenario like this.
 
Minstrel said:
Great deal for Portland and Detroit, but Phoenix gets back way too little, I think. Getting expiring salary back seems to be something Phoenix would value, but I think they're going to want some real talent back for Stoudemire, who's been among the most valuable players in the game the last few years. Outlaw, Rodriguez and a mid-first-round pick is probably not going to tempt them.

I do like the idea of Portland getting their hands on Prince and Maxiell. Perhaps Rudy also going to Phoenix would be enough. It's hard to balance objectivity and desire to squeeze out the best deal possible for Portland. ;)
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i agree that it likely wouldn't be enough for the suns. i also can't see the pistons giving up any more than prince/maxiell/1st for amare. the blazers still likely could add rudy or batum and even this year's 1st before i think that would be too high of a price but it's really hard for me to see the blazers moving any of the rookies.
 
drexlersdad said:
how about this one
crazy
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turiaf would be a great backup big for portland, but i don't know about adding 3 guys who all look to score every time they touch the ball. the blazers definitely would be getting more talent in return than they give up in that deal, but i can't really see it all fitting together.
 
drexlersdad said:
how about this one
crazy
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I was one of the few folks thinking we could use Maggette earlier in the year because of his ability to get cheap buckets. Now after seeing how badly he's getting along with his new teammates, there's no way I'd bring him in.
 
craigehlo said:
I was one of the few folks thinking we could use Maggette earlier in the year because of his ability to get cheap buckets. Now after seeing how badly he's getting along with his new teammates, there's no way I'd bring him in.
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maggette is better than rjeff imo, not to mention barbosa and ellis would make us nearly unstoppable offensively.
 
Natebishop3 said:
None of the guys coming back in that trade are more appealing than Rudy. Maggette sucks, and Monta isn't that great either. I'd rather have Amare if that were the case lol.
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they are all outperforming rudy statistically (except turiaf) i really dont see the logic. i mean monta put up 20 ppg on .530 shooting last year. that would seem to be rudy's absolute ceiling.

i agree that it would be alot of scorers, and chemistry might be an issue. just threw it together after learning of golden states interest in amare.
 
drexlersdad said:
maggette is better than rjeff imo, not to mention barbosa and ellis would make us nearly unstoppable offensively.
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Maggette is a somewhat better scorer, but a much worse defender. I think RJeff's skill set are perfectly balanced for what the Blazers need right now.
 
drexlersdad said:
maggette is better than rjeff imo, not to mention barbosa and ellis would make us nearly unstoppable offensively.
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Maggette is more of a ball hog. He won't even look to his teammates at all. And he's made of glass.
 
unrealistic but just for fun. I'm not sure how well Oden and Lee would fit together. Obviously the deal is void if you don't think you can resign Lee for a decent contract.
 
number 10 said:
that's a lot for the Blazers to give up for a guy who isn't really a SF.
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It's a deal that's fair for all parties imo.

Josh Smith doesn't play a lot at small forward, not because he can't, but because that team is just really small.
 
number 10 said:
that's a lot for the Blazers to give up for a guy who isn't really a SF.
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He's played SF extremely well for the Hawks in the past, I see him playing PF now more out of necessity than anything
 
I might just have a crush on J-Smoove, but some Atlanta fans think he has low BBIQ.

Might not be the best trade, but I just love someone who gives it all on the defensive end and is still so young.
 
B-Roy said:
It's a deal that's fair for all parties imo.

Josh Smith doesn't play a lot at small forward, not because he can't, but because that team is just really small.
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Josh Smith - 114-438 26% career from downtown. I like him as a player, but only a PF in an up-tempo system, which the Blazers probably won't ever run with Roy and to a lesser extent Oden.
JFizzleRaider said:
He's played SF extremely well for the Hawks in the past, I see him playing PF now more out of necessity than anything
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I see it as a maximization of his talents (or rather, a minimization of his weaknesses, namely outside shooting). Also, this season his blocks are down for whatever reason.
 
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