KP's interest in Conley

[Fez Hammersticks]

The summer of 2005 KP was yelling to get Chris Paul.

Last year KP tried to get in on the Dallas/Jersey deal to land us Devin Harris.

The guy obviously knows his PG's. Shouldn't we put more faith in him with his infatuation with Mike Conley?

During the 07 draft KP tried to land Conley. Last year there were talks also. Conley is playing like absolute garbage right now but his ceiling is pretty high. He's just having a down year and his numbers are comparable to Devin's at the same age.

In KP we trust?

 

[THE HCP]

I'm not so sure he's after Conley. That leak or leaks may be coming from Conley's dad/agent.

 

[RoyToy]

Free Bayless.

 

[Natebishop3]

The summer of 2005 KP was yelling to get Chris Paul.

Last year KP tried to get in on the Dallas/Jersey deal to land us Devin Harris.

The guy obviously knows his PG's. Shouldn't we put more faith in him with his infatuation with Mike Conley?

During the 07 draft KP tried to land Conley. Last year there were talks also. Conley is playing like absolute garbage right now but his ceiling is pretty high. He's just having a down year and his numbers are comparable to Devin's at the same age.

In KP we trust?

It really all depends on what we're trading and what we're getting back.

I'm not interested in dealing Bayless at this point, and I don't really see anything on their roster that intrigues me (outside of Conley).

At the moment, I'd say that Raymond Felton is a better prospect than Conley.

 

[RR7]

My problem with this, or rather, with fans discussing it is, if Conley was on our team, he would be a great prospect, the next...whoever. But since he is on another team, every flaw seems to be picked out. Now, I am fine with picking out flaws in a players game we might be looking to obtain, but after 15 games, we have Batum as the next Pippen, and Conley is never going to amount to anything, it would seem. I think a portion of that, as well, is not watching him, but rather looking specifically at stats. Again, if that was used for our players, the numbers for guys like Batum, Sergio, etc. might look pretty poor. And there are stretches where they make mistakes. But since we see them, we can see the flashes that make them look good.

Much the same way most Blazer fans seemed to mock Laker fans last year for hyping Bynum for putting up 13-10-2.5, with flashes of greatness in different games that they saw. Fast forward, and we see flashes of greatness in Greg, but if we went just off of #s, it would be easy to criticize what he has done so far. Not sure specifically what I am trying to get at, but in general am, for one, always amazed at the quick dismissal of other players by our fans, and then the general insistence that our young guys can easily to develop to X, while another team's players will never achieve that sort of ability.

 

[RR7]

How is Felton a better prospect? He's Jarret Jack with some more minutes.

 

[ehizzy3]

The summer of 2005 KP was yelling to get Chris Paul.

Last year KP tried to get in on the Dallas/Jersey deal to land us Devin Harris.

The guy obviously knows his PG's. Shouldn't we put more faith in him with his infatuation with Mike Conley?

During the 07 draft KP tried to land Conley. Last year there were talks also. Conley is playing like absolute garbage right now but his ceiling is pretty high. He's just having a down year and his numbers are comparable to Devin's at the same age.

In KP we trust?

well he wasnt really on the mark with sergio, and we have his pg-bayless.....theres is no proof he's been after conley, i want to hear it out of his mouth. speaking of which he has been doing less interviews, or is that just me?

 

[THE HCP]

I don't want Bayless to go anywhere!

 

[Natebishop3]

My problem with this, or rather, with fans discussing it is, if Conley was on our team, he would be a great prospect, the next...whoever. But since he is on another team, every flaw seems to be picked out. Now, I am fine with picking out flaws in a players game we might be looking to obtain, but after 15 games, we have Batum as the next Pippen, and Conley is never going to amount to anything, it would seem. I think a portion of that, as well, is not watching him, but rather looking specifically at stats. Again, if that was used for our players, the numbers for guys like Batum, Sergio, etc. might look pretty poor. And there are stretches where they make mistakes. But since we see them, we can see the flashes that make them look good.

Much the same way most Blazer fans seemed to mock Laker fans last year for hyping Bynum for putting up 13-10-2.5, with flashes of greatness in different games that they saw. Fast forward, and we see flashes of greatness in Greg, but if we went just off of #s, it would be easy to criticize what he has done so far. Not sure specifically what I am trying to get at, but in general am, for one, always amazed at the quick dismissal of other players by our fans, and then the general insistence that our young guys can easily to develop to X, while another team's players will never achieve that sort of ability.

The reason why most Blazer fans have been critical of Conely to date would probably be attributed largely to the asking price. Until now, most trades involving Conley were rather steep. The Grizzlies held Conley in high regard, so any trade would have involved quite a bit of talent going to Memphis. Now, with Conley maybe not playing quite as well as people thought, some are hoping that Conley might be had at a lesser price. I guess it remains to be seen.

 

[Natebishop3]

How is Felton a better prospect? He's Jarret Jack with some more minutes.

You take that back! We do not speak of he who shall not be named.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Brandon Roy himself said that Bayless is a natural SG. It'll be a while before we can convert, if possible, Bayless into a PG.

Conley is certainly a better prospect than Felton. Conley is a pure PG with great quickness. He was the best PG in the country as a Freshman, IMO. Felton is more of a combo. Last year there was an article stating that Felton was more effective at SG. In fact, Felton has been starting at the two this season.

Conley is a PG.

Bayless and Felton aren't.

 

[RR7]

As for Outlaw being the asking price, and being too high, I do remember quite a few Blazer fans insisting last year that they would not include him in a deal for Devin Harris. Buy low, sell high.

Also not sure what you have against Jack, to where he has to go unnamed.

 

[THE HCP]

You take that back! We do not speak of he who shall not be named.

What's up Nate? Guess who I saw playin' hoops up at 24 HR today?????

 

[Minstrel]

The guy obviously knows his PG's. Shouldn't we put more faith in him with his infatuation with Mike Conley?

Can you provide some evidence that Pritchard loves Conley? As in, actual quotes from Pritchard? The rumours floating around don't count. There's no reason to believe any of them were based in actual talks between the teams. 90% of rumours, if not more, are completely made up.

Obviously, if you like Conley, you are going to be inclined to believe that the rumours were smoke from actual fire, because it validates your interest in Conley. Objectively, though, I don't see much reason to believe that it was any more than idle speculation, either from a Memphis writer or some anonymous staffer on the Grizzlies.

 

[Natebishop3]

Brandon Roy himself said that Bayless is a natural SG. It'll be a while before we can convert, if possible, Bayless into a PG.

Conley is certainly a better prospect than Felton. Conley is a pure PG with great quickness. He was the best PG in the country as a Freshman, IMO. Felton is more of a combo. Last year there was an article stating that Felton was more effective at SG. In fact, Felton has been starting at the two this season.

Conley is a PG.

Bayless and Felton aren't.

He ranks higher in assists than most point guards. He's 22nd in the league at 5.2 a game and he's splitting time with DJ Augistin at the point. The last two seasons he was putting up over 7.0 assists per game. I don't see how he's a combo. Jarrett Jack has never averaged more than 5.3 assists per game.

 

[Natebishop3]

What's up Nate? Guess who I saw playin' hoops up at 24 HR today?????

Hey man. Greg Oden's little brother?

 

[Natebishop3]

hahaha check this out and tell me combo guard...

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=281201030

Felton started at point tonight and posted 14 points, 14 assists, 3 boards, 2 steals, 2 blocks, and 1 turnover.

 

[STOMP]

My problem with this, or rather, with fans discussing it is, if Conley was on our team, he would be a great prospect, the next...whoever. But since he is on another team, every flaw seems to be picked out. Now, I am fine with picking out flaws in a players game we might be looking to obtain, but after 15 games, we have Batum as the next Pippen, and Conley is never going to amount to anything, it would seem. I think a portion of that, as well, is not watching him, but rather looking specifically at stats. Again, if that was used for our players, the numbers for guys like Batum, Sergio, etc. might look pretty poor. And there are stretches where they make mistakes. But since we see them, we can see the flashes that make them look good.

you're probably somewhat right as some BS does get posted here, but I can assure you that there are also some true hoops fans here who call it like they see it with Blazer and non-Blazer players. You seem to be making some sweeping judgments/characterizations for someone with only 18 posts

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

Can you provide some evidence that Pritchard loves Conley? As in, actual quotes from Pritchard? The rumours floating around don't count. There's no reason to believe any of them were based in actual talks between the teams. 90% of rumours, if not more, are completely made up.

yup. Don't believe the hype

STOMP

 

[RR7]

Sorry, didn't know I had to post 5 times a day to be able to make generalizations. I would think, in general, and again, this is making a generalization, so I apologize, but I would think that most would be able to read a generalization, and know it doesn't refer to every single person who reads, posts, and talks about the Blazers. And would think that I can do that by making one post a day or 6, but I'll try to boost my post total a bit so I can make generalizations in the future with more to back them, i suppose.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

My problem with this, or rather, with fans discussing it is, if Conley was on our team, he would be a great prospect, the next...whoever. But since he is on another team, every flaw seems to be picked out.

Have you read the debates here on Blake, Outlaw, Webster . . . even Oden?

There are a lot of different views about what each these players will develop (or not develop) into.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

My problem with this, or rather, with fans discussing it is, if Conley was on our team, he would be a great prospect, the next...whoever. But since he is on another team, every flaw seems to be picked out. Now, I am fine with picking out flaws in a players game we might be looking to obtain, but after 15 games, we have Batum as the next Pippen, and Conley is never going to amount to anything, it would seem. I think a portion of that, as well, is not watching him, but rather looking specifically at stats. Again, if that was used for our players, the numbers for guys like Batum, Sergio, etc. might look pretty poor. And there are stretches where they make mistakes. But since we see them, we can see the flashes that make them look good.

Much the same way most Blazer fans seemed to mock Laker fans last year for hyping Bynum for putting up 13-10-2.5, with flashes of greatness in different games that they saw. Fast forward, and we see flashes of greatness in Greg, but if we went just off of #s, it would be easy to criticize what he has done so far. Not sure specifically what I am trying to get at, but in general am, for one, always amazed at the quick dismissal of other players by our fans, and then the general insistence that our young guys can easily to develop to X, while another team's players will never achieve that sort of ability.

best post I have seen in a while

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Sorry, didn't know I had to post 5 times a day to be able to make generalizations. I would think, in general, and again, this is making a generalization, so I apologize, but I would think that most would be able to read a generalization, and know it doesn't refer to every single person who reads, posts, and talks about the Blazers. And would think that I can do that by making one post a day or 6, but I'll try to boost my post total a bit so I can make generalizations in the future with more to back them, i suppose.

Not trying to jump all over your post, but I don't think it is an accurate generalization.

Log on after a Blazer loss (if they lose again) . . . there is a lot of hate and criticism going on. On each loss there will be Travis hate, Nate hate, and Blake hate. And on any given loss Aldrdige, Joel, Oden and Sergio will be thrown into the mix.

There are some posters who think all Blazer players can do no wrong . . . but who really cares what HCP thinks.

 

[tlongII]

I haven't seen a realistic trade proposal yet that involves us receiving a point guard and also improves our team.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I agree a lot of people hate on Travis, or Jack last year and blame them for our struggles, but the guy has a good point when people are saying they would rather have Batum then say Gerald Wallace right now

 

[RR7]

Not trying to jump all over your post, but I don't think it is an accurate generalization.

Log on after a Blazer loss (if they lose again) . . . there is a lot of hate and criticism going on. On each loss there will be Travis hate, Nate hate, and Blake hate. And on any given loss Aldrdige, Joel, Oden and Sergio will be thrown into the mix.

There are some posters who think all Blazer players can do no wrong . . . but who really cares what HCP thinks.

Right, but, outside of the Martell-Travis debate, which seems to have two distinct sides, there seems to be a relative consensus on a lot of our players. And my observation has been, over time, that the mean of these comparisons, of what a player will become is generally a higher for players on our team than it is for players on other teams. Natural, I know, because we see them more, they are on our team, etc. I am not saying it is the worst thing ever, and we are all awful homers who should not get to discuss basketball. just saying it is a difficult discussion because many will say Conley is too short, has put up bad stats, etc. If Bayless was on another team, I would imagine the flaws about his PG ability would be magnified by our fans. In general. As in, you take the average of what people expect out of him, and Tony Parker's name wouldn't probably enter the discussion. Batum's absolute ceiling would probably be Teyshaun. And Oden would be mocked. Will everyone do this? No. Not at all. And it is a thing most fans do, to overrate their players. But it makes looking at trades of somewhat fan favorites difficult. Before he was drafted, Greg Oden was wanted by every single fan base. The second WE got the first pick, the questions and criticisms came out.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I agree a lot of people hate on Travis, or Jack last year and blame them for our struggles, but the guy has a good point when people are saying they would rather have Batum then say Gerald Wallace right now

I think it is a good point about fans giving lots of love to rookies. I don't know about other boards, but Blazer fans love the draft picks (I think most teams do)

But that is where I think the buck stops. Ask fans about Webster or Sergio or Telfair in their first year and now and you will get a lot different responses. Start a thread about Blake and see how posters call him ordinary plain vanilla type player.

I think that dynamic is saved for the rookies . . . and let me just break this rookie trend and repeat what i have been saying since summer league . . . Bayless is not a PG and he does not fit in with this team because Blazers have more than their share of scoring SGs in Roy and Rudy.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Brandon Roy himself said that Bayless is a natural SG. It'll be a while before we can convert, if possible, Bayless into a PG.

Conley is certainly a better prospect than Felton. Conley is a pure PG with great quickness. He was the best PG in the country as a Freshman, IMO. Felton is more of a combo. Last year there was an article stating that Felton was more effective at SG. In fact, Felton has been starting at the two this season.

Conley is a PG.

Bayless and Felton aren't.

The only time I ever saw anything from Brandon regarding Jerryd was during Jason Quick's "Rip City Revival" series back in the summer

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/07/part_iii_roy_and_bayless_a_mat.html

"The reason why I see me playing with Jerryd is because he can guard points,'' Roy said. "He may not be a one, but he can guard a one, so then it fits into exactly what we want to do. A lot of times with Jarrett and Blake, they would get frustrated because they were playing a two on offense. Whereas (Jerryd) is comfortable playing two on offense and he's comfortable playing one on defense. That's why I tell people who say he is not a point: 'If he was a point, it would take away from what I do, so it's almost fine that he's not a point.''

Now you tell me where Brandon said it'll take a while for the team to convert Bayless into a point guard, or where Bayless not being a pure 1 is a problem.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The only time I ever saw anything from Brandon regarding Jerryd was during Jason Quick's "Rip City Revival" series back in the summer

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/07/part_iii_roy_and_bayless_a_mat.html


Now you tell me where Brandon said it'll take a while for the team to convert Bayless into a point guard, or where Bayless not being a pure 1 is a problem.

He made this comment during Media day. "You can tell Jerryd is more of a natural SG" is the exact quote from that short clip they showed on Ch. 8.

 

[Da_O]

We wont need Bayless to ever be a pure PG. He needs to learn to play without the ball, like Blake does, and just let Roy handle the PG duties. All we need Bayless to be, is to hit the outside shot, play defense, get to the foul line. And those skills are pretty much what he already has.