Laker Fans Support Foul

[DaRizzle]

Him gonna cwy? And I didn't "personally" attack you, I changed your name to something that wasn't vulgar and wasn't an attack. If you want to know what it was, PM me. If not, whatever.

No Im not gonna cry..Im mocking you and your hissy fit ways

...and Ill go with "whatever"

 

[Stevenson]

DaRizzle - I admire your cajones and willingness to mix it up!

I think where you are wrong here is that Ariza swooped in with a haymaker, a roundhouse. That makes it look like, to us, that he wasn't just trying to get the ball.

Fouls look like fouls, a sidewinder is different.

 

[PapaG]

No Im not gonna cry..Im mocking you and your hissy fit ways

...and Ill go with "whatever"

I'm fine with that. No keep on defending your douchebag.

 

[Minstrel]

You dont think them hitting each other in the wrist would make Ariza's wrist move forward to do that curling action?

No, not that much. Moving "forward" isn't "around." Wrapping one's wrist around another person's is a pretty extreme wrist rotation. I think Ariza did it intentionally, to pull Rudy away from the hoop, ensure that it would be a hard foul with no basket.

 

[DaRizzle]

DaRizzle - I admire your cajones and willingness to mix it up!

I think where you are wrong here is that Ariza swooped in with a haymaker, a roundhouse. That makes it look like, to us, that he wasn't just trying to get the ball.

Fouls look like fouls, a sidewinder is different.

Im not at all arguing Ariza bopped Rudy in the head significantly, thats obvious. Im just arguing the part where people are saying Ariza purposely grabbed/hooked around Rudys wrist to bring him down harder.

 

[DaRizzle]

No, not that much. Moving "forward" isn't "around." Wrapping one's wrist around another person's is a pretty extreme wrist rotation. I think Ariza did it intentionally, to pull Rudy away from the hoop, ensure that it would be a hard foul with no basket.

Alright, well at least we boiled it down so we each understand each other. I obviously disagree with your assessment but thank you for being level headed on it.

I still think you are giving Ariza too much credit to pull that off in a split second

 

[drexlersdad]

The difference is in the old NBA, Ariza would have been punched by the likes of Mo Lucas and would have lost a couple of teeth. The reason hard fouls are a pussy tactic now is the NBA doesn't allow for on-court retribution.

I say bring back the designated goon to the NBA.

what is to stop a team from having a 15th man who will just run onto the court and punch someone in the face? so they get suspended, big fucking deal. you could hire some 7 foot badass and pay him a million dollars to sit on the bench and wait for his chance.

he gets suspended, you get someone else to take his place.

 

[drexlersdad]

So March madness is coming up eh?

im in.

u get paid for this shit?

 

[BasX]

im in.

u get paid for this shit?

No

 

[Master Shake]

Support the foul? It was a hard foul. He didn't try to knock Rudy out or anything.

 

[STOMP]

Support the foul? It was a hard foul. He didn't try to knock Rudy out or anything.

to claim to know what a guys intent was is ridiculous. You can claim to know what his actions were though.

STOMP

 

[Boob-No-More]

All of you arguing Ariza's intentions need to go and read the rulebook. It's not a factor. It's not even mentioned. The criterion for a flagrant 2 is "unnecessary and excessive contact". It's the act that's punished, not the intent. And that's the way it should be. How can a referee or league official possibly determine intent? They can't read minds, and no player, knowing he's facing a suspension, is going to admit he was trying to hurt another player.

So, regardless of intent, Ariza's actions were "unecessary and excessive". They were also reckless and put another player, in a very vulnerable position, at risk of serious injury. Punish the action, not the intent. Send a message that taking down a player, who has left his feet, from behind with a blow to the head, is NEVER allowed.

Unfortunately, the NBA botched this big time by not suspending Ariza for a game for his dangerous actions.

BNM

 

[noknobs]

Some local sports talkshow host down here in L.A. was just talking about the game. His comments can be expected. Instead of giving the Blazers credit he instead chooses to say how Portland is one of those places that's not even on his list of places to visit. "What's there to do other than go to Blazer games." Then he admits he's never even been there.

As for the Rudy incident, there comments went something like this. "Well it was just a hard play by Ariza, it was the fall that made it so much worse than it was. Stu (Laker color guy) made a great point in last night's telecast that Rudy went off of one leg which which makes it very hard to maintain your balance in mid-air. And I mean, you gotta give Ariza props, not many guys could make that play to begin with and get back like that. He's very athletic." - End scene.

Yes, that's right. They basically insinuated that Rudy should leap off of both feet, otherwise he opens himself up to that kind of fall.

Just another example of the overwhelming arrogance and ignorance that perpetuates the Los Angeles area. The worst losers in the world. Whenever they don't get their way they resort to insulting those who beat them, like spoiled little brats. It's really an experience to witness first-hand on a daily basis.

You can only imagine the callers.

Pray for me.

 

[Minstrel]

Instead of giving the Blazers credit he instead chooses to say how Portland is one of those places that's not even on his list of places to visit. "What's there to do other than go to Blazer games." Then he admits he's never even been there.

Phil Jackson said the same types of things about Sacramento when the Kings and Lakers played in the playoffs in 2002.

 

[maxiep]

...lets just hate on the Lakers fan

way to go guys

Well, if you insist...

 

[maxiep]

He's a douche; he's a Laker.

What's the difference other than I'd rather be the former?

 

[maxiep]

Some local sports talkshow host down here in L.A. was just talking about the game. His comments can be expected. Instead of giving the Blazers credit he instead chooses to say how Portland is one of those places that's not even on his list of places to visit. "What's there to do other than go to Blazer games." Then he admits he's never even been there.

It's my greatest hope that every single Los Angeleno feels exactly the same way. Long live Tom McCall!

 

[maxiep]

Phil Jackson said the same types of things about Sacramento when the Kings and Lakers played in the playoffs in 2002.

Says the guy who went to school in North Dakota. Yep, Bismarck is a real hot spot.

 

[LittleAlex]

OH NOES, ARIZA WAS TRYING TO KILL HIM!!111 LOOK AT HIS FACE, i HAVE A DEGREE IN FACEOLOGY, I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!

On a serious note, fans support their players. Had the tables been reversed, I bet blazer fans would be happy as hell, seeing how much they hate LA. A bunch of hypocrites.

The difference is no current Portland player would do such a thing, so your point is moot.

At the very least, they have no history of such behavior. The same cannot be said for the Lakers.

Hell, Kobe crippled his own team mate (Bynum) to keep the spotlight on himself. I will always believe this is true because the thought of it makes me smile inside.

 

[LittleAlex]

what is to stop a team from having a 15th man who will just run onto the court and punch someone in the face? so they get suspended, big fucking deal. you could hire some 7 foot badass and pay him a million dollars to sit on the bench and wait for his chance.

he gets suspended, you get someone else to take his place.

I nominate Chuck Liddell for that role. Portland pays him 3 million to sit at the end of the bench and glare at the other team. Before every game he goes to every player for the opposing team and lets them know what he will do to them if they hurt a Blazer player.

That way no other player has to risk suspension and the other teams player gets the beating of his miserable life.

It's a win/win.

 

[Minstrel]

Hell, Kobe crippled his own team mate (Bynum) to keep the spotlight on himself. I will always believe this is true because the thought of it makes me smile inside.

Made me smile on the outside!

 

[Webster's Dictionary]

Bottom line is that Ariza knew he was going to take Rudy down. Whether or not you want to say it's plausible that he went for the ball, however he altered that shot, Rudy was going down. I believe that, especially if you watch the video in slow motion, there is something to be said about the fact that Ariza never looks up at the ball, only the back of Rudy's head.

I don't think he had anything on his mind but hard foul, but I'll never know. I don't think Ariza is neccessarily a dirty player, but he let his emotions get involved and made an very dirty play. I don't think anyone can honestly argue that he wasn't trying to foul Rudy hard.

 

[SodaPopinski]

Bottom line is that Ariza knew he was going to take Rudy down. Whether or not you want to say it's plausible that he went for the ball, however he altered that shot, Rudy was going down. I believe that, especially if you watch the video in slow motion, there is something to be said about the fact that Ariza never looks up at the ball, only the back of Rudy's head.

I don't think he had anything on his mind but hard foul, but I'll never know. I don't think Ariza is neccessarily a dirty player, but he let his emotions get involved and made an very dirty play. I don't think anyone can honestly argue that he wasn't trying to foul Rudy hard.

Bingo. Nobody who is legitimately trying to make a defensive play on the ball takes a wild swipe across the top of an opponent's head. He was definitely trying to make a hard foul out of frustration (he had turned the ball over twice in recent Laker possessions, his team was down by 30, etc.). There are much smarter ways to try to prevent an open-court dunk in that situation.

Plus, I still hold that anyone who truly goes in without intent would at least show a nugget of remorse after the result of the foul rather than puffing your chest out like some idiot thug.

-Pop

 

[Spud147]

Some local sports talkshow host down here in L.A. was just talking about the game. His comments can be expected. Instead of giving the Blazers credit he instead chooses to say how Portland is one of those places that's not even on his list of places to visit. "What's there to do other than go to Blazer games." Then he admits he's never even been there.

As for the Rudy incident, there comments went something like this. "Well it was just a hard play by Ariza, it was the fall that made it so much worse than it was. Stu (Laker color guy) made a great point in last night's telecast that Rudy went off of one leg which which makes it very hard to maintain your balance in mid-air. And I mean, you gotta give Ariza props, not many guys could make that play to begin with and get back like that. He's very athletic." - End scene.

Yes, that's right. They basically insinuated that Rudy should leap off of both feet, otherwise he opens himself up to that kind of fall.

Just another example of the overwhelming arrogance and ignorance that perpetuates the Los Angeles area. The worst losers in the world. Whenever they don't get their way they resort to insulting those who beat them, like spoiled little brats. It's really an experience to witness first-hand on a daily basis.

You can only imagine the callers.

Pray for me.

You should have seen the (I think it's called) Lakerground? forum. The initial reaction was jubilation followed by making fun of Rudy for faking followed by the best quote... "I kinda wish that had been Brandon now".

Then they got all happy because they actually got it down to within 16 (thought they had the come back in the bag) and at the end blamed the refs for the loss because they wouldn't let them play on. None of them figured out the refs were calling everything on both sides because they wanted to keep the game from getting out of control.

It was really classy.

 

[Minstrel]

Nobody likes the posters at Lakersground. They even hate themselves. It's like the sports version of 4chan, minus the child porn.

Well...I think minus the child porn. Never checked their off-topic forums.

 

[PapaG]

All of you arguing Ariza's intentions need to go and read the rulebook. It's not a factor. It's not even mentioned. The criterion for a flagrant 2 is "unnecessary and excessive contact". It's the act that's punished, not the intent. And that's the way it should be. How can a referee or league official possibly determine intent? They can't read minds, and no player, knowing he's facing a suspension, is going to admit he was trying to hurt another player.

So, regardless of intent, Ariza's actions were "unecessary and excessive". They were also reckless and put another player, in a very vulnerable position, at risk of serious injury. Punish the action, not the intent. Send a message that taking down a player, who has left his feet, from behind with a blow to the head, is NEVER allowed.

Unfortunately, the NBA botched this big time by not suspending Ariza for a game for his dangerous actions.

BNM

Yet, the NBA suspended Miller, because his foul was an even bigger cheap shot because it was away from the ball. Funny how opinions change based solely on a poster being a blatant homer.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Nobody likes the posters at Lakersground. They even hate themselves. It's like the sports version of 4chan, minus the child porn.

Well...I think minus the child porn. Never checked their off-topic forums.

I signed up to post at Lakersground once. Ended up not posting anything and the very next day I got an email saying they banned me because I have a Portland IP address.