Lakers got Davis.

[TorturedBlazerFan]

If we don't learn about other offers we cannot really judge if the return was good or not. From what I've read Clippers never included Shai and Celtics never included Tatum. The return seems ok. Although I don't really like Ingram and Lonzo and I also see 0 fit with Zion I'd take those and no.4 pick over CJ. Maybe CJ and his 25M are not that great of an asset for a team that is not already good and it's not they could easily trade him away because good teams don't have much cap space or assets they would trade for him.

I think its a bad return even if we dont know what others offered. I think what this proved was that Rich Paul did his job, he tanked AD’s value league wide to the point other GM’s werent willing to offer much.

In the end this may have been the best offer, but what that really says is AD’s agent did his job, and scared off all other GM’s to the point of them not being willing to put their jobs on the line.

 

[GDiama]

I think its a bad return even if we dont know what others offered. I think what this proved was that Rich Paul did his job, he tanked AD’s value league wide to the point other GM’s werent willing to offer much.

In the end this may have been the best offer, but what that really says is AD’s agent did his job, and scared off all other GM’s to the point of them not being willing to put their jobs on the line.

Well yes I agree for example Celtics would flip Tatum for AD in a second if not for those comments that he would only sign an extension with Lakers or Knicks. What I'm talking about is offers on table, because otherwise to get a top5ish player even CJ+Nurk+Zach etc would not be enough under normal circumstances.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Well yes I agree for example Celtics would flip Tatum for AD in a second if not for those comments that he would only sign an extension with Lakers or Knicks. What I'm talking about is offers on table, because otherwise to get a top5ish player even CJ+Nurk+Zach etc would not be enough under normal circumstances.

Basically every team in the NBA including the lakers coulve given a better package, and thrown in a bunch of 1sts out in the future.
I have said it before but the fact New Orleans couldnt even manage to dump Hill (their worst contract), couldnt get someone like Kuzma (not that Im high on Kuzma), but New Orleans may walk away from this and the best player they get is Brandon Ingram... Which just seems crazy to me...
I keep hearing / reading national guys talk about it like oh what a haul for AD, and Im like really? They got a bunch of firsts for a superstar thats not even in his prime yet... If AD stays in LAL, and they put a team around him those picks will not be worth much.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Those picks are quite a haul. Have we ever seen more potential #1 overall selections dealt? I think this is the second most after the Garnett Pierce trade.

That Nets deal brought together a collection of 5 all stars, Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Brook Lopez. This trade brought together two.

Sure if all goes right for LAL they could be less valuable end of the first round selections. But same as in Brooklyn, if all doesn't go well.... LAL could've just decimated the next decade of that franchise.

 

[SwissBlazer]

Well, well, well. What did I miss today? 5.5 hour flight home.

Your guy Ball served as a filler in a trade.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Those picks are quite a haul. Have we ever seen more potential #1 overall selections dealt? I think this is the second most after the Garnett Pierce trade.

That Nets deal brought together a collection of 5 all stars, Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Brook Lopez. This trade brought together two.

Sure if all goes right for LAL they could be less valuable end of the first round selections. But same as in Brooklyn, if all doesn't go well.... LAL could've just decimated the next decade of that franchise.

Notice the word "swap" next to these picks!
If the Pelicans will do worse than the Lakers during some of those years (which is likely considering Pels are a trash organization), the Lakers get better picks! Unbelievable!

 

[GDiama]

Notice the word "swap" next to these picks!
If the Pelicans will do worse than the Lakers during some of those years (which is likely considering Pels are a trash organization), the Lakers get better picks! Unbelievable!

Swap if they choose to. Not swap anyway.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Swap if they choose to. Not swap anyway.

Choose when? before each draft?

 

[GDiama]

Choose when? before each draft?

If Lakers have a higher draft pick then Pelicans get it. If not they keep their own.

 

[Sarni]

People are underestimating Ingram and Ball. Both are still super young but have shown plenty of promise already. Ball is a fantastic passer and defender, he makes players around him better. Ingram was fantastic last season before the illness.

The pick this year is very high, they can also flip that one for two or more picks. Atlanta will certainly give them #8 and additional assets for it so that they can take Culver.

Lakers pick in 2020 is going to be very late as they will have a great team but from 2021 onwards their outlook isn’t really that great. If they sign Butler or Kemba, they are both about to start descending into decline. They will have zero cap flexibility for the next several years too. Those picks could really end up being tasty.

 

[blazerfan11]

What I don’t understand is that Rich Paul is saying that even the upcoming season with the Lakers is an audition. Anthony Davis will still look at his options in free agency. But that makes no sense to me if they had narrowed their choice to only New York and Los Angeles.
The other thing is New Orleans. To me quality is more important than a bunch of players.
What would make sense is that David Griffin is going to use all of the assets he got from Los Angeles to trade for a player. Or players. Just as the Blazers would do to get a player they might not get in free agency. Otherwise, I would have demanded Kuzma.
I don’t think anybody would’ve blamed Griffin if he had said he didn’t like with the Lakers were offering and that Anthony Davis could just sit for the year, seeing that his agent had limited his trading partners.

 

[Sarni]

What I don’t understand is that Rich Paul is saying that even the upcoming season with the Lakers is an audition. Anthony Davis will still look at his options in free agency. But that makes no sense to me if they had narrowed their choice to only New York and Los Angeles.
The other thing is New Orleans. To me quality is more important than a bunch of players.
What would make sense is that David Griffin is going to use all of the assets he got from Los Angeles to trade for a player. Or players. Just as the Blazers would do to get a player they might not get in free agency. Otherwise, I would have demanded Kuzma.
I don’t think anybody would’ve blamed Griffin if he had said he didn’t like with the Lakers were offering and that Anthony Davis could just sit for the year, seeing that his agent had limited his trading partners.

If he turned down Ball, Ingram and essentially four picks and let Davis go for nothing, he would have rightly been blamed for setting the franchise back a good few years.

I also don’t get ‘quality over quantity’. Ingram and Ball are both very young and very talented. Both have the potential to be top 30 players in the league. It’s not like they traded AD for Dennis Smith and Frank Ntilikina, or a bunch of mediocre players. This is a good deal.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I hope the lakers drown in a million puddles of tears as they suck again this coming season.

Fucking fuckers......

Anthony davis is a bitch. Bitch. Bitch. Bitch. Fuck that pussy.

 

[Orion Bailey]

If he turned down Ball, Ingram and essentially four picks and let Davis go for nothing, he would have rightly been blamed for setting the franchise back a good few years.

I also don’t get ‘quality over quantity’. Ingram and Ball are both very young and very talented. Both have the potential to be top 30 players in the league. It’s not like they traded AD for Dennis Smith and Frank Ntilikina, or a bunch of mediocre players. This is a good deal.

Ball top 3o? Your tripping.

 

[kjironman1]

So as i understand this deal has been set to happen after July 6th so the Lakers have 30 million to work with in signing free agents?

 

[kjironman1]

It's still a one-year audition if the LA Times is correct.

"His agent, Rich Paul, told Sports Illustrated in March that Davis would be hitting free agency in 2020 no matter where he goes this summer. A person familiar with Davis’ thinking confirmed in June that 2020 free agency remains in Davis’ plans, effectively making this a one-year audition for the Lakers."

How does the salary situation look for the Blazers for the following (2020-2021) season? If it all falls apart in LA.

There ya go.

 

[kjironman1]

They’re making the playoffs.

With the situation as a healthy team and solid contributions from both Lebron and Davis i agree.
But with what we just watched in the playoffs and in the month leading up to them. We all know anything can happen.

 

[kjironman1]

Serious question: what was the last good trade the Lakers made? Was it Pau Gasol? (Which netted the Grizzlies Marc Gasol.)

Did they trade for Shaq? I can't remember how that went down?

 

[kjironman1]

So what happens if Lebron and Davis don't really mesh well and then they pick up another big time free agent and the Me Me Me type stuff starts and Davis says he doesn't want to stay. Then Lebron shows even more age and the big free agent signing is left to hold together a bunch of whiny Laker fans and rookies?

Seriously. It's not like we have never seen ego's take over in Los Angeles......

 

[Sarni]

Ball top 3o? Your tripping.

I think he has potential. Not within the next 2-3 years but he can get to a very high level

Won’t be surprised at all if at one point he’s considered a top 10 or even top 5 point guard in the league.

Boy is 21 and is already one of the best playmakers and defenders in his position.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Did they trade for Shaq? I can't remember how that went down?

He signed as a free agent.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I think he has potential. Not within the next 2-3 years but he can get to a very high level

Won’t be surprised at all if at one point he’s considered a top 10 or even top 5 point guard in the league.

Boy is 21 and is already one of the best playmakers and defenders in his position.

Thats all just energy though. Its a shooters league

 

[Sarni]

Thats all just energy though. Its a shooters league

His three point shot is actually not that terrible. There were times he was shooting 40% for weeks. It’s his free throw and mid range that is lacking.

If I am Pelicans I am trading out of 4th and trying to get 2-3 picks instead. Like 8, 10 from Atlanta with 10 swapped for two of Celtics picks. I like Bol Bol’s fit next Zion.

 

[Hoopguru]

His three point shot is actually not that terrible. There were times he was shooting 40% for weeks. It’s his free throw and mid range that is lacking.

If I am Pelicans I am trading out of 4th and trying to get 2-3 picks instead. Like 8, 10 from Atlanta with 10 swapped for two of Celtics picks. I like Bol Bol’s fit next Zion.

Zion would break him in two during first practice!

 

[BBert]

The Lakers got Davis?

Wow. That was unexpected.

I'm completely gobsmacked.

 

[Sarni]

That picks haul is unbelievable.

#4 this year
Top 8 protected 2021 pick which becomes unprotected in 2022
Unprotected 2024
Unprotected swaps in 2023 and 2025

Wow

Lakers could be proper bad post LeBron. They will have zero flexibility and zero trade assets, and we have seen AD on a team without top class support - wasn’t very good.

I love that deal from Pelicans point of view. Compared to what Spurs got for Kawhi and what Pacers got for George it’s just so much better.

 

[PCmor7]

So what happens if Lebron and Davis don't really mesh well and then they pick up another big time free agent and the Me Me Me type stuff starts and Davis says he doesn't want to stay. Then Lebron shows even more age and the big free agent signing is left to hold together a bunch of whiny Laker fans and rookies?

Seriously. It's not like we have never seen ego's take over in Los Angeles......

I was wondering something along the same lines. When has LeBron played with a low-post difference-maker. Love was a good rebounder, but he plays offense like a stretch four. Bosh was a handful in the low post with Toronto who could face up from 19 feet, but he turned into a stretch four in Miami with LeBron and D-Wade.

Talent-wise, it's a trade the Lakers had to make. Getting it all to fit together might be the devil in the details. A lot's going to depend on who they sign in free agency and how the heck they fill out their rotation. Even if their two stars stay healthy.

 

[PCmor7]

That picks haul is unbelievable.

#4 this year
Top 8 protected 2021 pick which becomes unprotected in 2022
Unprotected 2024
Unprotected swaps in 2023 and 2025

Wow

Lakers could be proper bad post LeBron. They will have zero flexibility and zero trade assets, and we have seen AD on a team without top class support - wasn’t very good.

I love that deal from Pelicans point of view. Compared to what Spurs got for Kawhi and what Pacers got for George it’s just so much better.

You know what, though? It's not hard to imagine ALL of those picks (beyond this year's) being in the 14-20 range. You need a good scouting department to turn those into contributors, or a good GM who can flip them for supporting pieces.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

That picks haul is unbelievable.

#4 this year
Top 8 protected 2021 pick which becomes unprotected in 2022
Unprotected 2024
Unprotected swaps in 2023 and 2025

Wow

Lakers could be proper bad post LeBron. They will have zero flexibility and zero trade assets, and we have seen AD on a team without top class support - wasn’t very good.

I love that deal from Pelicans point of view. Compared to what Spurs got for Kawhi and what Pacers got for George it’s just so much better.

I dont get it honestly. I think thats a terrible haul for him. They could easily come away from this with the best player they get as Brandon Ingram, who has a pretty serious condition...
Its easily possible that LA goes and gets another guy or two that are good and the Lakers are playoff or better every single one of those picks. So could be a bunch of mid 20 draft picks.
I guess, its just my opinion.

 

[PCmor7]

I dont get it honestly. I think thats a terrible haul for him. They could easily come away from this with the best player they get as Brandon Ingram, who has a pretty serious condition...
Its easily possible that LA goes and gets another guy or two that are good and the Lakers are playoff or better every single one of those picks. So could be a bunch of mid 20 draft picks.
I guess, its just my opinion.

No, I think what you write makes a lot of sense. Pelicans missed out by not holding out for Kuzma. That's what happens when you set silly deadlines on yourself and let them leak to the press. Nothing was stopping New Orleans from exploring options for the fourth pick with other teams on the condition they got it from the Lakers. The reports that their GM was dead set on making the deal this weekend so they had a chance to scout their options was ridic.