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zagsfan20 said:
Sheep jokes are just funny. I mean c'mon, stealing a retarded sheep? That will always be funny..... Beaver nation.
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And how is this related to the current issue at hand with these troublesome ducks? Sounds like tangents and cloudiness around your duck fans are causing you not to be concerned about this issue.
 
Zybot said:
Do you think that there should be a punishment? If so, what? To me, this conduct is worse than what Blount did. It is not on national TV, and it might not be as big of a microscope, but punching a douchebag vs. choking a 19 year old female.... I think James' actions are more violent. Should he lose the season? If the investigation indicates that he probably did what he is accused of doing, and in light of the incidents in the past 12 months, if I were the AD I would have to seriously consider suspending him for the season.
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I wait to say anything cause I dont know the facts of what happened. But yes if true I think he should be punished to the full extent of the law and more. And yes if true it is much MUCH worse than what Blount did I agree to this.
 
so I was reading these quotes from a post on O-live... I'm not sure if they are true or not.

I'll first qualify this by saying that I like Mike Riley. I think he's a great coach and a stand-up guy, but those who are portraying him (and OSU) as some pillar of integrity that would never allow such transgressions as are happening in Eugene, I offer this small reminder:

Thursday, February 17, 2005, regarding the cab ride for pot incident:

"I'm disappointed that this has happened but I cannot comment further because of the ongoing investigation," he said in a statement released by the school Thursday.

Friday, April 1, 2005, regarding Ben Siegert's legendary sheep-capade:

"There may be some things pending in the future, but right now we felt the best thing for [Siegert] was the structure of practice. Not to be floating out there in the world," coach Mike Riley said.

Wednesday, April 6, 2005, regarding Joe Rudolph's reinstatement after the Guardsman incident:

"We feel -- I feel -- great about the process, and about how Joe's handled all of this. He's part of the team. When you're part of a team, you're part of a team."

Thursday, October 2, 2008, regarding Afalava's one-game suspension for DUI and leaving the scene of an accident:

“It’s going to be good to have Al back. He is one of our best players. We all pay a price for the consequences for his actions, and that was last week.”

Disregarding the poor grammar and syntax, does Riley sound any different than Kelly? Not one little bit. The so-called squeaky-clean Beavers were and still are no different than anybody else.

As they say, "There but for the grace of God..."
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if they are true... how is that any different that Kelly and Riley? I post this cause of the argument earlier on who is worse etc.
 
zagsfan20 said:
As far as I can tell, Beavers fans like to bring up past transgressions off the field by Oregon to make up for their play on the field.

Fact is, Oregon St. is a mediocre program not on the Ducks level as far as success, exposure, $$$ and facilities.
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... Fitting your stereotype, I will remember this.:tsktsk:
 
Nate Dogg said:
Well your the one to bring up the subject. You should have made more of a solid statement behind your reasonings instead of a one liner. How else are people going to respond?


Well duh. The 29 consecutive losing seasons didn't help the program.

But lets take a look what the program has done now in the past decade with the same facilities. More OS football players are in the NFL now because their coaches are turning their players into better athletes and making them believe in themselves. Its the staff that has done the success not so much about the $$ that has been donated by Mr. Knight and alumni.

Again Zagsfan, your avoiding the issue at hand and your not admitting that UO has a problem with its current program. Players are getting into trouble. Does this make an impact when recruits hear and read about Oregon? They might change their mind knowing that the University doesn't care and they won't feel a bond with its staff. Is this the reputation that the UO wants to put out? If I was AD I would fix this issue.
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Producing NFL players has nothing to do with a programs success. Ask Syracuse about that. I can name multiple great NFL player who went to Syracuse. They haven't had a good program in years. I always love the "well look how many players are in the NFL" argument.

I'm not avoiding the issue, I accept the issue. I have issue with LaMichael James incident, but for Masoli's there really isn't enough evidence for me to go one way or the other. As for the kicker getting in fights, so be it, they are 18-22 year olds, that tends to happen. Players getting into trouble hasn't stopped many programs from being good. Miami, Florida St., Penn St. have all had troubles with players and it didn't effect their program.

In UO and OSU's case, you bring kids from the inner city to any podunk town there is bound to be some kind of trouble at some point. All college athletes at that level have a target on their back.
 
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Nate Dogg said:
And how is this related to the current issue at hand with these troublesome ducks? Sounds like tangents and cloudiness around your duck fans are causing you not to be concerned about this issue.
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I never said it has anything to do with the Ducks. I was saying why it will always be funny and brought up. How many times do you hear about a football player getting drunk and stealing a gay sheep. Its just funny. I bet people will remember it 20 years from now and still think its funny.
 
Zybot said:
Do you think that there should be a punishment? If so, what? To me, this conduct is worse than what Blount did. It is not on national TV, and it might not be as big of a microscope, but punching a douchebag vs. choking a 19 year old female.... I think James' actions are more violent. Should he lose the season? If the investigation indicates that he probably did what he is accused of doing, and in light of the incidents in the past 12 months, if I were the AD I would have to seriously consider suspending him for the season.
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Why not wait to pass judgment and make decisions on what team sanctioned punishments should be until we get further into the legal proceedings.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Why not wait to pass judgment and make decisions on what team sanctioned punishments should be until we get further into the legal proceedings.
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exactly the approach I am taking. Just like the KP(ee) arguments.. I'm in the "If I honestly dont know shit.. I dont say shit" camp.
 
Nate Dogg said:
Heres more Blazerboy and this is within the last decade.


I think Zagsfan used a poor excuse and should have shut up his mouth.

The Ducks have a big problem with their program and their Athletic Director should push the Football coach for more disciplinary acts or have a code of conduct. If these conducts are broken the football players should be suspended.
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So, how's the air up there on that high horse?
 
walk on player accused of assault 4-cut

starting rb accused of assault 4, strangulation, menacing, and 2 other domestic violence charges-no action
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Why not wait to pass judgment and make decisions on what team sanctioned punishments should be until we get further into the legal proceedings.
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The criminal standard of proof is a beyond reasonable doubt standard. I think that you can penalize based upon your internal investigation. But, yes, I would wait to see what the criminal investigation indicates.

Edit: To clarify -- I was just asking Wheels if the allegations were proven to be true what he thought the punishment should be. I am not saying there should be a punishment issued right now.
 
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zagsfan20 said:
Strawman?
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Mysoginst? [zagsfan] A woman got beaten? Oh well, it's not like there aren't a bunch of other football programs out there with players beating up women. It's just the cost of top recruiting.. No big deal.[/zagsfan]
 
Zybot said:
Mysoginst? [zagsfan] A woman got beaten? Oh well, it's not like there aren't a bunch of other football programs out there with players beating up women. It's just the cost of top recruiting.. No big deal.[/zagsfan]
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I never said it was right.
 
ppilot said:
Do you know what happened? Were you there? I am really anxious for some first hand information so fill me in on what you saw.
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I wasn't there, so I can't help you there. Zagsfan is acting as if the allegations are true, but doesn't seem to care that it happened. To me, that's bizarre to say the least.
 
zagsfan20 said:
Producing NFL players has nothing to do with a programs success. I always love the "well look how many players are in the NFL" argument.
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Well its obvious that those OS players made it to the NFL, since UO has better better facilities, more success, more media coverage, $$, better program, etc. As so you so point out. However, your "valid argument" is stupid because OS is beyond a mediocre program within the past 10 years as they have shown with multiple bowl appearances. The OS football program has changed and you are so naive of the progress that has made within the past 10 years.

Another reason why theres more OS players in the NFL league now is because OS staff has made these 3 or 4 star players believe in themselves and they have proven beyond what everyone has expected of them and they get drafted. Zagsfan, your arguements are so judgemental by your cloudiness of your UO duck family that you don't see the big picture that UO football program could lose some key recruits because of these multiple actions by its players.
 
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Zybot said:
I know. You just don't care that it happened.
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The same way I don't care about any teams off-field transgressions outside of the Blazers, Zags and Cardinals.

I sympathize for the girl and think less of James if he's proven guilty. Which hasn't happened yet.
 
Nate Dogg said:
Well its obvious that those OS players made it to the NFL, since UO has better better facilities, more success, more media coverage, $$, better program, etc. As so you so point out. However, your "valid argument" is stupid because OS is beyond a mediocre program within the past 10 years as they have shown with multiple bowl appearances. The OS football program has changed and you are so naive of the progress that has made within the past 10 years.

Another reason why theres more OS players in the NFL league now is because OS staff has made these 3 or 4 star players believe in themselves and they have proven beyond what everyone has expected of them and they get drafted. Zagsfan, your arguements are so judgemental by your cloudiness of your UO duck family that you don't see the big picture that UO football program could lose some key recruits because of these multiple actions by its players.
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Bowl appearances these days is equivelant to an NCAA basketball team making the tournament. Sure its a little impressive that you had a winning record, but don't hang your hat on that as some sort of accomplishment that should be lauded. Simply generating players that make great pro's in the NFL has no correlation to how good the program is. As I noted, Syracuse has produced Dwight Freeney, Marvin Harrison, Donovan McNabb, Keith Bulluck, Will Allen.... They haven't won a noteworthy bowl game in years.

I don't think a kid getting into trouble will affect recruiting too much.
 
Zybot said:
Edit: To clarify -- I was just asking Wheels if the allegations were proven to be true what he thought the punishment should be. I am not saying there should be a punishment issued right now.
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I honestly cant answer that right now... I'm sorry but the fact that I have absolutely zero information on what happened/didnt happen... And please realize that I would do the same for any other team players, including the Beavers. I try and carry myself with some sort of decency (not saying you or others dont) and look at other teams/situations without the homer aspect. (hence my lack of hatred for the Lakers)
 
ehizzy3 said:
walk on player accused of assault 4-cut

starting rb accused of assault 4, strangulation, menacing, and 2 other domestic violence charges-no action
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is that a specific example or are you just saying what would happen in that instance? Sorry just trying to decipher lol.
 
Zybot said:
Do you think that there should be a punishment? If so, what? To me, this conduct is worse than what Blount did. It is not on national TV, and it might not be as big of a microscope, but punching a douchebag vs. choking a 19 year old female.... I think James' actions are more violent. Should he lose the season? If the investigation indicates that he probably did what he is accused of doing, and in light of the incidents in the past 12 months, if I were the AD I would have to seriously consider suspending him for the season.
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so we should all grab our tar and feathers and join you jumping to conclusions based on someone accusing someone else? I'm reminded of the Nick Nolte Blue Chips line... "if I assert that you sleep with sheep, then it is alleged that you sleep with sheep!" Especially when I know little more then whats been alleged and the accused has pleaded not guilty (like James has), I'm more of a due process guy.

If he's found guilty, I really doubt that he'll be with the Ducks next year and even beyond. If these charges are found to be false and he stays with the program, I bet some rival school fans still bring it up for the next decade+

STOMP
 
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^agreed^
 
Holy Cow, did you guys see the yahoo front page?

It says "More Trouble for Emerging Powerhouse" and has a U of Oregon picture by it. The article is actually kind of flattering.

The article is entitled "Welcome to the big time Ducks, and the spotlight that comes with it"

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...-time-Ducks-and-the-spotligh?urn=ncaaf,221017

It started and ended...

Start of Article said:
Oregon is the defending Pac-10 champion, and is likely to be overwhelmingly favored to repeat this fall, when the Ducks return 18 starters from last year's Rose Bowl team and enter the season as a serious national title contender for the first time in school history. ESPN.com's college football home page has led for two days with Oregon's ascendency on the West Coast, replacing USC's nearly decade-long dominion on a tidal wave of Nike money and the sudden crack-up of Pete Carroll's dominant regime in L.A. By all appearances, the Pac-10 is Oregon's oyster.

This week also brought the flip side of that rising tide...
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Above all, though, the P.R. fallout from a string of arrests is a phase every major program (literally every major program, without exception) has to go through at one point or another, often cyclically. If the magnifying glass proves anything in Oregon's case, it's only that people care what might happen to the Ducks' star players -- and acknowledge that the Ducks actually have star players worth keeping tabs on -- which is really just another way of confirming that they've entered a new circle in the national hierarchy. Of course, if things don't settle down, there's no guarantee they're going to stay there.
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interesting. thanks for sharing!
 
according to canzanos twitter. Linebacker Kirk Alonso was cited for driving under the influence early this morning in eugene.
 
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