LaMichael James Arrested

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:ohno::ohno::ohno: The Program is in SHAMBLES!!!!
 
Wow, this football program just gets better with Hollands getting kicked off the team with his Facebook comments!!
 
STOMP said:
so we should all grab our tar and feathers and join you jumping to conclusions based on someone accusing someone else? I'm reminded of the Nick Nolte Blue Chips line... "if I assert that you sleep with sheep, then it is alleged that you sleep with sheep!" Especially when I know little more then whats been alleged and the accused has pleaded not guilty (like James has), I'm more of a due process guy.

If he's found guilty, I really doubt that he'll be with the Ducks next year and even beyond. If these charges are found to be false and he stays with the program, I bet some rival school fans still bring it up for the next decade+

STOMP
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I think I said that there should be an investigation, but just because there is not enough evidence to criminally convict someone following the investigation doesn't mean that the guy shouldn't be penalized. I think the University needs to judge the evidence for themselves, and doesn't necessarily need to bind themselves to a criminal conviction for punishment to be issued. If the evidence was very reliable I don't think I would want him practicing with the team, or at a minimum I would not be counting on him to be my #1 running back. Let's say he pleads to a lesser charge and spends less than a month in jail. Do you really think his college career is over? I don't think it should necessarily be over. People can make mistakes. But, if true, (regardless of whether he is convicted or not) this seems very violent to me and James would need some serious help before I would want him playing for my team.

I guess the good thing is that this should all be sorted out before the season starts. I was just curoius how Wheels thought it should be handled, because he didn't think the program had a problem. My question to Wheels was if the story is true, what should the punishment be?

Then, as for my other posts to zagsfan, it seemed that he was uncaring about violence against women. When, he stated that he sympathized with her if it was found true, I understood that he at least wasn't indifferent to domestic violence by athletes. I think I did jump to conclusions a little, because the strangulation allegation seemed pretty specific to me, which makes the allegations more believable. I will try to wait to pass judgment. Also, I want those Nick Nolte allegations investigated.
 
Nate Dogg said:
Wow, this football program just gets better with Hollands getting kicked off the team with his Facebook comments!!
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really a facebook comment represents a program? Seriously Nate Dogg. I remember your post after the civil war your thread about "knowing there will be a lot of flaming..." You are reaching on this one.
 
I don't understand why a kid gets kicked off the team for facebook comments but Blount didn't get kicked off for the punch. Both were mistakes, but are we really advocating that a kid going on a written rant requires harsher punishment than slugging someone else in the jaw?
 
Zybot said:
I think I said that there should be an investigation, but just because there is not enough evidence to criminally convict someone following the investigation doesn't mean that the guy shouldn't be penalized. I think the University needs to judge the evidence for themselves, and doesn't necessarily need to bind themselves to a criminal conviction for punishment to be issued. If the evidence was very reliable I don't think I would want him practicing with the team, or at a minimum I would not be counting on him to be my #1 running back. Let's say he pleads to a lesser charge and spends less than a month in jail. Do you really think his college career is over? I don't think it should necessarily be over. People can make mistakes. But, if true, (regardless of whether he is convicted or not) this seems very violent to me and James would need some serious help before I would want him playing for my team.
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Good people do make mistakes, it's true. But if I'm in charge of helping young men mature and a multi-million dollar PR sensitive business like college athletics, I'd look at the big picture to help determine best how to go forward. James would serve as a living example of what not to do and what happens to guys who do. Dependent on the details, he may or may not get to keep his scholarship and a spot on the team, but at the absolute least he'd be moved to the back of the depth chart. Considering the talent they have and just signed, it could be hard for him to ever see the field much again.

STOMP
 
The Sebastian Express said:
I don't understand why a kid gets kicked off the team for facebook comments but Blount didn't get kicked off for the punch. Both were mistakes, but are we really advocating that a kid going on a written rant requires harsher punishment than slugging someone else in the jaw?
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honestly I think Holland was gonna be gone before this. But for this I guess that sort of "insubordination" could be breaking a team rule. While Blount might not have broken a team written rule by punching someone. Even though its common sense, still just not a "rule"
 
The Sebastian Express said:
I don't understand why a kid gets kicked off the team for facebook comments but Blount didn't get kicked off for the punch. Both were mistakes, but are we really advocating that a kid going on a written rant requires harsher punishment than slugging someone else in the jaw?
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because it wasn't just the facebook comments by a longshot... for example dude was academically ineligible for the Rose Bowl. I read a Bellotti quote today saying that their had been multiple serious conversations with JH about his attitude/behavior prior to this. The facebook stuff may be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, but I'd read rumblings of him being gonzo since prior to the Rose Bowl. Lucky for the program this is one of the few positions where they have a ton of depth.

STOMP
 
Zybot said:
Now this is interesting... the judge says that James can't attend classes or live on campus. Guilty or not, James may be academically ineligible to play in the Fall due to the terms of his release from jail.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindducksbeat/2010/02/oregon_football_judge_says_lam.html
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interesting... however I did read that one quote that caught me..

Bill Clever, Oregon’s director of compliance, said it is permissible for student-athletes who cannot attend class to make arrangements with professors to complete coursework. But Clever said those instances have always involved athletes who were injured or sick – not facing charges of assault, strangulation and physical harassment.
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Does that mean that he still could technically be acedemically eligible if it would happen?
 
Wheels said:
interesting... however I did read that one quote that caught me..



Does that mean that he still could technically be acedemically eligible if it would happen?
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I think so, but for that to happen they have to get NCAA approved housing and have professors willing to do this. It sounds like it could be difficult to coordinate.
 
Is there any particular reason he can't attend classes or live on campus? Is the alleged victim within that vicinity? That seems pretty harsh considering he hasn't been proven guilty or innocent yet.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
Is there any particular reason he can't attend classes or live on campus? Is the alleged victim within that vicinity? That seems pretty harsh considering he hasn't been proven guilty or innocent yet.
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she is a UO student. So It sounds like going there would get within the area of the restraining order.
 
UPDATE

http://registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/updates/24548838-55/james-counts-court-plea-police.csp

University of Oregon running back LaMichael James is scheduled to return to court Friday to change his plea and be sentenced in connection with domestic violence allegations, court records show.

James, 20, was arrested last month in Springfield. He has pleaded not guilty to five misdemeanor charges that include two counts of fourth-degree assault, two counts of physical harassment and one count of strangulation.

A 22-year-old woman who told police she is James’ girlfriend alleged the running back choked and pushed her during an incident outside his Gateway Street apartment, police said.
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so like to change his plea to guilty?
 
Probably plead no contest. Get some anger management classes. This way he does not have to wait until the end of March for the court proceedings to begin.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
He's going to plead to one count of harassment. Not a big deal, might miss a few games at the start of the season.
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The Ducks play @ Tennessee. That's a pretty big game.

I think he'll be suspended for the first 4 games.

Sat, Sep 04 New Mexico

Sat, Sep 11 @ Tennessee

Sat, Sep 18 Portland State

Sat, Sep 25 @ Arizona State
 
BeerBoy said:
The Ducks play @ Tennessee. That's a pretty big game.

I think he'll be suspended for the first 4 games.

Sat, Sep 04 New Mexico

Sat, Sep 11 @ Tennessee

Sat, Sep 18 Portland State

Sat, Sep 25 @ Arizona State
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He'll be able to play Sept 11th, harassment is considered foreplay in Tennessee.
 
gotcha. Sorry not to keen on the legal jargon. Guess thats a good thing though lol.
 
finals next week.

teachers probably wouldnt let him take finals at home.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
He has to spend the next 8 days at OSU sorority houses?!? That is a harsh punishment.
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Hey! That's uncalled for...

That is no way to talk about the roadside trash pickup crews.
 
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