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illmatic99 said:
Perhaps.

The thought process on Lauri is definitely intriguing. And it should indicate potential future targets maybe. I kinda wanted to kick the tires on him, but Nance is clearly the better fit.

I'm completely meh on Brooks. Think he's completely overrated on this board because of his Oregon ties.
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Brooks is good, but he's also a hot head, and you've hit the nail on the head with the Oregon connection thing. Same for Ainge. Totally overrated because of that. He underwhelmed on that title contention team.
 
illmatic99 said:
I'm meh on Brooks. Think he's completely overrated on this board because of his Oregon ties.
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He certainly does have pretty bad advanced metrics. But I wouldn't mind having him as a 6'7" backup for Norm if he came over as part of a CJ deal.
 
tykendo said:
Brooks is good, but he's also a hot head, and you've hit the nail on the head with the Oregon connection thing. Same for Ainge. Totally overrated because of that. He underwhelmed on that title contention team.
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and Pritchard...and Jordan Bell, and Bol Bol...and if you just do the state of Oregon connection instead of U of O, Terrance Ross, and Terrance Jones...
 
dviss1 said:
I know I've heard this before but when he said it we were in a different situation with out a possible replacement.
We now have someone who can replace him. I wonder how he would answer this question now. Because if he wouldn't consider coming off
the bench RIGHT NOW, and that might be the best option for the TEAM defensively, then get him gone....

Just not for Ben Simmons...
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Not for Ben Simmons?! Man people are crazy short term memory and have no vision. The blazers are not the Sixers and Lillard is not Embiid. Put 3-4 shooters around Simmons and you have a godly team. Thats assuming he never fixes his shot. My god people are unbelievably fixated on a single series.
 
Idog1976 said:
Not for Ben Simmons?! Man people are crazy short term memory and have no vision. The blazers are not the Sixers and Lillard is not Embiid. Put 3-4 shooters around Simmons and you have a godly team. Thats assuming he never fixes his shot. My god people are unbelievably fixated on a single series.
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He scorned coming here. That shows a pompous attitude of entitlement. If those press releases of him not wanting to play in Portland or Toronto are false, come out and say it.
 
Idog1976 said:
Not for Ben Simmons?! Man people are crazy short term memory and have no vision. The blazers are not the Sixers and Lillard is not Embiid. Put 3-4 shooters around Simmons and you have a godly team. Thats assuming he never fixes his shot. My god people are unbelievably fixated on a single series.
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Don't tell me why I made my decision about Ben Simmons. You may need to go and read the Simmons thread.

My reasons why have been made clear. You are the only one assuming here...
 
tykendo said:
He scorned coming here. That shows a pompous attitude of entitlement. If those press releases of him not wanting to play in Portland or Toronto are false, come out and say it.
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Simmons hasn't talked all off season, why would he break his silence to address a baseless claim? That was a sport talk radio dude named Jason Dumas making shit up and irresponsible journalists running with it as a report instead of an opinion. Simmons hasn't been reported to have said anything to anyone about where he ends up. His representation has been reported to want him out of Philly for obvious reasons and that's it. Can we please stop referring to this shit like it's reality?
 
tykendo said:
He scorned coming here. That shows a pompous attitude of entitlement. If those press releases of him not wanting to play in Portland or Toronto are false, come out and say it.
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Those aren't press releases. Those comments came from a TV news reporter with very few sports ties in Oakland who wanted Simmons in GS. Stop spitting that nonsense as fact. We've had multiple accounts from insiders on multiple forums claiming he'd even welcome trades to CLE and Minny and Rich Paul has asked for as much.
 
blazerkor said:
Simmons hasn't talked all off season, why would he break his silence to address a baseless claim? That was a sport talk radio dude named Jason Dumas making shit up and irresponsible journalists running with it as a report instead of an opinion. Simmons hasn't been reported to have said anything to anyone about where he ends up. His representation has been reported to want him out of Philly for obvious reasons and that's it. Can we please stop referring to this shit like it's reality?
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How people run with this shit man....
 
dviss1 said:
Don't tell me why I made my decision about Ben Simmons. You may need to go and read the Simmons thread.

My reasons why have been made clear. You are the only one assuming here...
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Yeah, your reasons are based on things much different than those of most in here that don't want him. I think you're kind of out on a limb with your analysis of who the guy is based off of his on court demeanor but at least you're speaking from experience and have a logical conclusion, even if I don't agree with it.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, your reasons are based on things much different than those of most in here that don't want him. I think you're kind of out on a limb with your analysis of who the guy is based off of his on court demeanor but at least you're speaking from experience and have a logical conclusion, even if I don't agree with it.
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Which it's why noob posters don't need to assume why I dislike trading CJ for Simmons. :dunno:

Nurk and Simmons cannot share the floor IMHO. Bam, there's another reason...
 
Ive not seen any quotes from Simmons requesting a trade or that he wont show up for fall camp. Everything at this point is pure conjecture. My gut is he stays in Philly and he gets back on that horse.
 
But Nance? He can stretch the floor. He can pass as well and is a great fit with Nurkic.
 
Idog1976 said:
Not for Ben Simmons?! Man people are crazy short term memory and have no vision. The blazers are not the Sixers and Lillard is not Embiid. Put 3-4 shooters around Simmons and you have a godly team. Thats assuming he never fixes his shot. My god people are unbelievably fixated on a single series.
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Personally, I am far less concerned about the series than about his behavior since then. "Immature" is putting it kindly.
 
dviss1 said:
But Nance? He can stretch the floor. He can pass as well and is a great fit with Nurkic.
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Yeah, I have to admit I am changing my mind on Simmons. I wanted him badly because he can guard almost anyone. Something we needed help with.
Plus at 6'11" 240, I envisioned a PF who was an excellent ball-handler and who could be surrounded by multiple shooters. That was intriguing. But you are right Nurk would have to be replaced by a center who can shoot. (and play D) Not always easy to find.

Neil found a PF who is as effective in his own way. I would say Simmons is a better overall defender than Nance (In terms of guarding more positions)
and is a better ball handler, but Nance is no slouch at either. Larry can't lock down a guard, but he is more physical against bigger players. (and is at least an average shooter)

The bottom line is we basically only gave up a lottery-protected 1st since DJJ was not going to play much anyway. So Nance came much cheaper than Simmons. And if they really want to trade CJ, they still can.

One edit to this, a younger player is only more attractive if you can keep him past his contract.
Not sure we could in Simmons's situation.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, I have to admit I am changing my mind on Simmons. I wanted him badly because he can guard almost anyone. Something we needed help with.
Plus at 6'11" 240, I envisioned a PF who was an excellent ball-handler and who could be surrounded by multiple shooters. That was intriguing. But you are right Nurk would have to be replaced by a center who can shoot. (and play D) Not always easy to find.

Neil found a PF who is as effective in his own way. I would say Simmons is a better overall defender than Nance (In terms of guarding more positions)
and is a better ball handler, but Nance is no slouch at either. Larry can't lock down a guard, but he is more physical against bigger players. (and is at least an average shooter)

The bottom line is we basically only gave up a lottery-protected 1st since DJJ was not going to play much anyway. So Nance came much cheaper than Simmons. And if they really want to trade CJ, they still can.

One edit to this, a younger player is only more attractive if you can keep him past his contract.
Not sure we could in Simmons's situation.
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It's the reluctance to dunk on the same Mario characters I've been killing since 85' for me..

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Why did mods merge the thread about Nance with the one joking about breaking Nance news. Nothing makes sense now. Darn. I was just going to post the pic below with with the suggestion we trade for this Nance guy. But now all hope is lost.
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I merged them because people were posting interesting articles about Nance and the trade in the thread joking about the Nance news instead of the actual Nance thread.
 
dviss1 said:
Which it's why noob posters don't need to assume why I dislike trading CJ for Simmons. :dunno:

Nurk and Simmons cannot share the floor IMHO. Bam, there's another reason...
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I completely agree with this. I’m also just really curious about seeing how a Billups-coached version of CJ works. If Billups puts more motion in the offense, doesn’t tolerate guys stopping the ball with isos, I think we’re going to see CJ hitting shots at a very big percentage as he gets more open looks in catch and shoot situations. That version of CJ could be a deadly asset.
 
dviss1 said:
Which it's why noob posters don't need to assume why I dislike trading CJ for Simmons. :dunno:
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Now now now D…..no need to treat forum members different simply based on their post count or what date they joined the forum…… Let’s all show a little respect for each other, and agree that our love for the PINWHEEL is what has brought us together.








I dare whoever snitched me out to the team, to copy and paste THIS post and send it to my bosses. I DARE you!
 
e_blazer said:
I completely agree with this. I’m also just really curious about seeing how a Billups-coached version of CJ works. If Billups puts more motion in the offense, doesn’t tolerate guys stopping the ball with isos, I think we’re going to see CJ hitting shots at a very big percentage as he gets more open looks in catch and shoot situations. That version of CJ could be a deadly asset.
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People in here be hating on CJ, but they only saw the Stotts coached CJ.

The version of CJ who was coached not to help, not to dig, not to trap, not to play the gaps, not to sag down in helpside D before it's time to rotate.

Coached to rely on a RETREATING big man to allow midrange shots... Coached NOT to adjust to pick and roll offense...

Stotts fucking SUCKED at coaching defense and any success we had was despite his coaching.
 
THE HCP said:
Now now now D…..no need to treat forum members different simply based on their post count or what date they joined the forum…… Let’s all show a little respect for each other, and agree that our love for the PINWHEEL is what has brought us together.








I dare whoever snitched me out to the team, to copy and paste THIS post and send it to my bosses. I DARE you!
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As I learned as a child, dares go first. Anyhow, I'm not a not enough of a low life to take you up on that dare and I'd like to know what dickhead would take you up on that.
 
THE HCP said:
Now now now D…..no need to treat forum members different simply based on their post count or what date they joined the forum…… Let’s all show a little respect for each other, and agree that our love for the PINWHEEL is what has brought us together.








I dare whoever snitched me out to the team, to copy and paste THIS post and send it to my bosses. I DARE you!
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I love your work HCP. Your Highlights are great. Just tell the Man, don't show them during live action. Major Fail. PLEASEEEEEEEE.
 
dviss1 said:
Stotts fucking SUCKED at coaching defense and any success we had was despite his coaching.
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I honestly do not believe that. The Blazers have played more or less the same defense philosophy for a long time - and every time the Blazers roster had good defenders and good health - the Blazers were fine (or better) defensively.

Now, you might tell me that there are better defensive coaches than him and I will absolutely believe it, but when he has to coach a team that features 2 small, minus defenders and still was good defensively (or elite in the right combination) with these 2 in the mix given roster and health - I am going to say that logically, it makes no sense to me that he can not coach defense.

If you are going to tell me he can not coax better defense from CJ or Dame - maybe, I have no idea how to judge that - as I have no access to the team and what their specific conversations are.

The only thing I can, without bias, judge - is results, and when the Blazers have good defensive players next to Dame and CJ and health - they have been good defensively under TS.
 
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