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EL PRESIDENTE

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Lets see. Lets not allow LAPD helicopter pilots get training. But we need those fucking red light cameras. I live in Bizarro land.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...ona-boycott-over-illegal-immigration-law.html


Now, the focus is on the LAPD's red-light camera program, which officials say should get an exemption from the city's contracting boycott of Arizona.

On Tuesday, the City Council is scheduled to consider — and appears likely to approve — an exception to the boycott that would allow a 10-month extension of a multimillion-dollar agreement with Scottsdale-based American Traffic Solutions. The firm operates cameras at 32 city intersections that catch tens of thousands of red-light violators each year. The council's Public Safety Committee says the exception is justified because red-light cameras provide a "significant benefit to public safety."
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All these years, I've been bitching about how the Interstate Commerce Clause has been used and abused by Congress to grab power. Now that it's being violated, suddenly it's irrelevant?
 
"We're going to boycott Arizona, but only the things we don't need."

Just another reason to hate LA.
 
Those red light tickets make the city money. $300.00+ per citation.
 
yeah, and they make the intersections more dangerous too.
 
http://cbs2.com/goldstein/Red.Light.Cameras.2.1301941.html

We looked at every accident at every red light camera intersection for six months of data before the cameras were installed and six months after.

The final figures? Twenty of the 32 intersections show accidents up after the cameras were installed! Three remained the same and only nine intersections showed accidents decreasing.

At Manchester Avenue and Figueroa Street, accidents more than tripled from five before the cameras were installed to 16 afterwards. Westwood Boulevard and Wilshire Boulevard tripled from three to nine. At Rodeo Road and La Brea Avenue, collisions nearly tripled from seven in the six months before the cameras were installed to 20 in the same period afterwards.

The reason?

"People see the light flash and they slam on their brakes," Ellison said. "That's just human nature. As a result, more accidents, more rear end accidents."

That's what happened to Dale Stephens, who knew the yellow light up ahead had a camera.

"Because I had that in the back of my mind I knew I had to stop. And it's so expensive to get a ticket I knew I had to stop. Well they had no inclination to stop," Stephens said.

"They" are the two cars that hit him from behind.
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Its a situation where you change your behavior based on the presence of the light. Sometimes you want to accelrate more even in a green or stop even if its yellow. It puts pressure on the driver, which makes is less safe.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Its a situation where you change your behavior based on the presence of the light. Sometimes you want to accelrate more even in a green or stop even if its yellow. It puts pressure on the driver, which makes is less safe.
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Agreed. I can't count the number of times I have been driving the freeway here in Arizona (where we have lots of traffic cams) and the guy in front of me and myself are traveling five over then he spots the speed camera and pops his breaks quickly, and I nearly slam in the back of him. BTW, you have to be traveling 11 mph or more over the speed limit in order to get a ticket.
 
Nate4Prez said:
Agreed. I can't count the number of times I have been driving the freeway here in Arizona (where we have lots of traffic cams) and the guy in front of me and myself are traveling five over then he spots the speed camera and pops his breaks quickly, and I nearly slam in the back of him. BTW, you have to be traveling 11 mph or more over the speed limit in order to get a ticket.
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I had heard that's just a rule of thumb that cops use.

And thank you Presidente for the explanation. It occurred to as I just started reading your post.
 
westnob said:
I had heard that's just a rule of thumb that cops use.
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The freeway cameras (at least here in Phoenix) are set only to take your picture and license plate if you are going greater than 10 mph. I'm not sure as far as what rule of thumb the cops follow, but I always go 5 over the speed limit everywhere, and I have never received a ticket.
 
I wish they would add those "safety" cameras to the lights in Vegas. I would be REEE ITCH BEEE ITCH!

I love rear hits, they are some of the best jobs you can get..easy money.

LA is a fucking joke, they can shove their boycott up their hypocritical assholes. They are only using cameras until they can get GPS devices installed in your cars so they can nail everyone.
 
looks like they are overriding the "boycott" to get red light cameras. They forgot what it means, all the while they cancel HELICOPTER training for LAPD officers....LAPD uses helicopters a lot for car chases and other things.

Holy shit, the LA City Council is a bunch of backwards fucks. Villaraigosa and them are ruining LA beyond all comprehension, its completely fucked.
 
So here is what you so to avoid those tickets . . . register your vehicle in your significant other's name. When the ticket comes in the mail it will be to the registered owner of the vehicle. The registered owner of the vehicle goes to court and says (and shows) thats not me and ticket dismissed (if they didn't already dismiss it because the photo doesn't match RO's description).

Works in Oregon
 
Also, there have been studies showing that cities have been slowly shortening yellow lights over the last decade, which I think is pretty unsafe as well. If a yellow light doesn't even give you enough time to make it through the intersection when you're just entering and the light changes, how are you supposed to safely respond? Slam your breaks on? Speed up?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Also, there have been studies showing that cities have been slowly shortening yellow lights over the last decade, which I think is pretty unsafe as well. If a yellow light doesn't even give you enough time to make it through the intersection when you're just entering and the light changes, how are you supposed to safely respond? Slam your breaks on? Speed up?
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Along this thought process, does anyone else agree that yellow lights vary and should thus be a timer? They're already LEDs in most of them, so why not print a count down of 5 4 3 2 1 RED? Some however might be 3 2 1 or 7 6 5 .... you get the picture
 
westnob said:
Along this thought process, does anyone else agree that yellow lights vary and should thus be a timer? They're already LEDs in most of them, so why not print a count down of 5 4 3 2 1 RED? Some however might be 3 2 1 or 7 6 5 .... you get the picture
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Some kind of do. They have crossing signals now that have a countdown which coincides with the light. It's really nice. I see it at six seconds as I approach it and I know that I have time to make it though. I wish they did it everywhere.
 
Yeah, we're boycotting Arizona...but only selectively.....

http://www.scpr.org/blogs/hettie-ly...ty-council-panel-breaks-city-boycott-arizona/

For a second time, a Los Angeles City Council panel agreed today to break the city's boycott of Arizona over the state's law targeting illegal immigrants. The council's Trade, Commerce and Tourism Committee voted to extend for a year a contract for Blue Van Joint Venture, which has offices in Arizona and operates SuperShuttle at LAX. The issue will be handed up to the full City Council for a final vote.

The City Council last month extended a contract for red-light cameras with American Traffic Solution of Scottsdale, though in May, the council voted to boycott Arizona businesses because member believe the immigration law is unconstitutional. Harbor-area Councilwoman Janice Hahn, who chairs the council committee that approved the contract extension with Blue Van, said failing to extend the
deal could cause financial harm to the city.
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it's_GO_time said:
So here is what you so to avoid those tickets . . . register your vehicle in your significant other's name. When the ticket comes in the mail it will be to the registered owner of the vehicle. The registered owner of the vehicle goes to court and says (and shows) thats not me and ticket dismissed (if they didn't already dismiss it because the photo doesn't match RO's description).

Works in Oregon
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It doesn't work in California. They put the onus on the owner even though they weren't driving.
 
Re: Re: LA's Arizona Boycott- absolutely disgusting

Shapecity said:
Haha its a joke.

The worst part about the red lights is the city is losing money operating them. At least with the SuperShuttle the city was earning money, but if SuperShuttle was boycotted there would be someone to step in and take their place immediately.
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It would involve work by the city council so that's not gonna happen
 
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