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PtldPlatypus said:
Playing alongside Steph and learning from Klay just feels like the absolute perfect situation for Moody. He's got an excellent chance to be very successful in GS.

If the deal ends up as you predict, Steph/Moody/Klay/Wiggins/Simmons has a chance to be an absolutely lethal lineup.
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ughh. Gag me…..
 
Door #1

BonesJones said:
You would have to believe:
- That Olshey was given the job without the ability to have any say in the pick
- That Olshey didn't want to draft Dame
- That Olshey got hired even though he told the organization in the interview process that he wanted to draft someone else
- That, 9 years later, Olshey doesn't value Dame properly
- That he wants to keep onto his own draft picks over all else no matter what (despite him trading Gary Trent Jr. for an expiring contract this past year

It's lunacy and completely made up simply because people have an emotional bias against Olshey which replaces any sort of logical thinking.
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Door #2

wizenheimer said:
LOL...I'm sure people will accept you as being an arbiter of logic

not one word of that refutes the notion that Olshey could personally like CJ more than he likes Dame. And that's what I asked about. He's probably smart enough to realize that Dame is much much better as a player. But it's entirely possible his bias toward CJ is shaping the value he assigns him to the team and in trade talks. You're jumping well ahead of that simple idea in your zeal to defend Olshey

I mean, 3 years ago Dame went over Olshey's head to talk directly to Paul Allen. About a week after Olshey fired Stotts while assuring everybody that the roster wasn't the problem, Dame explicitly said the roster was the problem. Ive seen enough of Olshey's prickly ego at work to believe those actions by Dame didn't sit well with Olshey
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Or Door #3

PtldPlatypus said:
No, you wouldn't have to believe any of these things, if you believe:
-That Olshey was given the job and told who the scouting department liked, but was given the latitude to make any pick he wanted
-That Olshey agreed with the scouting department's take
-That whether or not Olshey wanted to draft Dame was not a condition of his hire
-That, 9 years later, Olshey properly values Dame as a franchise cornerstone and all-NBA player, and also the asset which would garner by far the largest and possibly even most lopsided return were it to be dealt
-That Olshey specifically values CJ as a superlative find in a crappy draft, much more than other picks he's made since

All of those things are perfectly reasonable, and jibe completely with the idea that Olshey might have more personal pride in CJ's selection than Dame's, and thus a greater emotional satisfaction in his success.
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Monty. Monty Monty. I'll take door #1
 
SlyPokerCat said:
That is the door of not having worked in the corporate world before. Sure, it is completely logical. Until you work in the corporate world.
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I do have to agree that in the corporate world people absolutely play favorites and i have personally had my throat cut by someone who i didn't really get along with but this is a pretty big reach and Door #1 pointed out not just a couple but many reasons why it's unlikely.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
I do have to agree that in the corporate world people absolutely play favorites and i have personally had my throat cut by someone who i didn't really get along with but this is a pretty big reach and Door #1 pointed out not just a couple but many reasons why it's unlikely.
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Some of the points are a little off though. Olshey totally could have been on board with trusting the old staff to take Dame. He just may not have the attachment to that pick like he does CJ. He could absolutely adore Dame and all that, yet, be more proud of CJ and feel slighted he doesn't get more kudos for taking CJ. He might even think CJ could prove him right if he got the chance to be a centerpiece.

Who knows, but those aren't things that are completely ridiculous in the corporate world.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Some of the points are a little off though. Olshey totally could have been on board with trusting the old staff to take Dame. He just may not have the attachment to that pick like he does CJ. He could absolutely adore Dame and all that, yet, be more proud of CJ and feel slighted he doesn't get more kudos for taking CJ. He might even think CJ could prove him right if he got the chance to be a centerpiece.

Who knows, but those aren't things that are completely ridiculous in the corporate world.
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I sit here and think. But what if that is actually the case? Nahh. Can't be. Can it? Nahhh Never could happen. Could it? No way.... Maybe? Nahhhh. No way.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
I sit here and think. But what if that is actually the case? Nahh. Can't be. Can it? Nahhh Never could happen. Could it? No way.... Maybe? Nahhhh. No way.
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Haha exactly. I don't want it to be true, i just can't rule it out. People get ridiculous sometimes and will deny talent just to try to make themselves look better. Hire the guy with all the technical skill to do the job? Nahhhhh. Let's hire the person that doesn't know it as well so they don't make me look bad or know more than me.

It is a world of children moving chess pieces.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Haha exactly. I don't want it to be true, i just can't rule it out. People get ridiculous sometimes and will deny talent just to try to make themselves look better. Hire the guy with all the technical skill to do the job? Nahhhhh. Let's hire the person that doesn't know it as well so they don't make me look bad or know more than me.

It is a world of children moving chess pieces.
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But this doesn't apply to Neil Olshey. Trading Dame won't make Olshey look better and he knows that. If Olshey cares about success, he keeps Dame. If he cares about looking good, he keeps Dame. You've mentioned I haven't worked in the corporate world three or four times now, but I don't buy the "corporate world" as an excuse for being illogical, especially when the one example you provide doesn't actually apply.
 
BonesJones said:
But this doesn't apply to Neil Olshey. Trading Dame won't make Olshey look better and he knows that. If Olshey cares about success, he keeps Dame. If he cares about looking good, he keeps Dame. You've mentioned I haven't worked in the corporate world three or four times now, but I don't buy the "corporate world" as an excuse for being illogical, especially when the one example you provide doesn't actually apply.
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It does. Go get a job in the corporate world and it will make sense to you.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
It's like clockwork. We haven't had Blazer basketball in a few months, Summer League just whets the appetite of long-suffering Blazer fans that the abuse-ee starts to rationalize in their head "Well, MAYBE Billups is the right choice? Maybe the team WILL discover how to defense!" and "Carmelo and Kanter were the real pieces holding the Blazers back!" and "McLemore and Zeller will make the difference off the bench!".

And every year nothing changes, still a middling-level team whose ceiling is the WCF if everything falls into place.
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I posted the same thing awhile back. It’s what I call “magical thinking.” Blazer fans indulge in it because management can never really improve the team. It’s just one group of unremarkable players after another, with a few getting swapped out each year. I would argue that even our hope for Simons and Little is overblown. Will they be a little better this year? Yes. Will they make a fundamental difference in our fortunes? No. Unless you believe in magical thinking.
 
All Net said:
I posted the same thing awhile back. It’s what I call “magical thinking.” Blazer fans indulge in it because management can never really improve the team. It’s just one group of unremarkable players after another, with a few getting swapped out each year. I would argue that even our hope for Simons and Little is overblown. Will they be a little better this year? Yes. Will they make a fundamental difference in our fortunes? No. Unless you believe in magical thinking.
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Logically speaking, you are full of shit. It's an issue of probabilities and possibilities and your line of magical thinking ignores reality.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
It does. Go get a job in the corporate world and it will make sense to you.
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But that didn't apply to Neil Olshey. Trading Dame won't make Olshey look better and he knows that. If Olshey cares about success, he keeps Dame. If he cares about looking good, he keeps Dame. You've mentioned something about the corporate world nine or ten times now, but I don't buy the "corporate world" as an excuse for assuming the illogical, especially when the one example you provide doesn't actually apply.
 
BonesJones said:
But that didn't apply to Neil Olshey. Trading Dame won't make Olshey look better and he knows that. If Olshey cares about success, he keeps Dame. If he cares about looking good, he keeps Dame. You've mentioned something about the corporate world nine or ten times now, but I don't buy the "corporate world" as an excuse for assuming the illogical, especially when the one example you provide doesn't actually apply.
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Disagree. Pointless in us going back and forth. You won't understand even a little bit because you have never worked an office job and been a part of the politics where the illogical completely makes sense.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Disagree. Pointless in us going back and forth. You won't understand even a little bit because you have never worked an office job and been a part of the politics where the illogical completely makes sense.
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But your example appeared to be based on the sacrifice of logic for image purposes:
Let's hire the person that doesn't know it as well so they don't make me look bad or know more than me.
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I don't see how Olshey would think he'd look better by trading Dame and keeping C.J. People can be completely illogical but they always have a motive behind it. What's Neil's motive that makes you think he'd sacrifice all logic and want to trade Dame and keep CJ?
 
BonesJones said:
But your example appeared to be based on the sacrifice of logic for image purposes:

I don't see how Olshey would think he'd look better by trading Dame and keeping C.J. People can be completely illogical but they always have a motive behind it. What's Neil's motive that makes you think he'd sacrifice all logic and want to trade Dame and keep CJ?
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There is no point in discussing with you.
 
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