Lawrence Frank

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (razel231 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jan 23 2008, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Jan 23 2008, 12:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>tonight during the game MJ said something like this referring to management "I don't care what you do, but if the team struggles like that, you better do something" Well, we're facing a dilemma: either trade the whole team or change the coach. History shows the latter is easier and more practical.</div>

There's a general rule that's been proven true by experience that says when MJ's management sense tells him to do something, the best idea is normally the exact opposite.

I mean, we're talking about a guy who was basically fired from being an owner. If he's teaching me how to shoot jumpers or play poker, that's one thing, but MJ's not a very good GM and his infamous lack of patience, which was a virtue as a player, is really his Achilles heel as an executive.
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I didn't see the game but i believe he was referring to the Mark Jackson "MJ" who does Nets tv commentating not Michael Jordan.
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You know what? I stand by the statement, even if I got the name wrong.

Wouldn't want either of them to be my GM.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jan 23 2008, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought this over, and I realize I agree 100%. Kidd IS a terrible leader, because a Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan would never have stood for the crap VC pulls. I presume that when a lot of us posters pine for the days of K-Mart, this is what we feel the team's missing. Someone who would go out there and hold everyone accountable.

I don't think you ever get something like this out of the coach. A "loud, fiery coach" without the backing of a strong personality in the locker room is just another Scott Skiles or Larry Brown, a coach who might achieve short term success, but someone with whom players will quickly tire and tune out.

It strikes me that Frank is a guy who understands what it takes to win a championship in the NBA. He may not necessarily understand how to execute those plans right now, with this group of players, but he can still learn. And that trait is so rare that I'd rather keep him around than keep trying with this same group of players who, regardless of who is coaching them, are not and never will be championship-level.</div>

I didn't have any intention in participating in this discussion, but I had to chime in and say that this is just an excellent, excellent post. Old age agrees with you!

The thought I'd like to add is that Lawrence Frank is the only person in the whole organization that I want representing me as a Nets fan.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jan 23 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He takes full responsibility for his own mistakes, takes losses deeply personally yet is irrepressible in his attitude that the team can and will improve next time out, is as hardworking as anyone in the game, and is very protective (to a fault) of his players. With the right kind of team, I think he would be a dynamite coach.</div>

The best solution is to fire the guy who built this team and replace him with someone who will build a team for which the person you described will be a "dynamite coach".

 

[JAMES.SLIMM]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jan 23 2008, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Jan 23 2008, 12:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>tonight during the game MJ said something like this referring to management "I don't care what you do, but if the team struggles like that, you better do something" Well, we're facing a dilemma: either trade the whole team or change the coach. History shows the latter is easier and more practical.</div>

There's a general rule that's been proven true by experience that says when MJ's management sense tells him to do something, the best idea is normally the exact opposite.

I mean, we're talking about a guy who was basically fired from being an owner. If he's teaching me how to shoot jumpers or play poker, that's one thing, but MJ's not a very good GM and his infamous lack of patience, which was a virtue as a player, is really his Achilles heel as an executive.
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Not that MJ, Mark Jackson

 

[Belarus]

MJ - Mark Jackson

sorry

 

[JAMES.SLIMM]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Anyone who thinks Byron Scott didn't deserve to be fired clearly doesn't remember anything about that team.</div>

I definitely believe he deserved to fired at that time, He delegated too much of the coaching to his then assitants, He learned from that and I think it's helped him become more of a "real" coach

 

[cpawfan]

Wow, it has been almost 5 hours since someone claimed that Kenyon was the real leader of the Nets teams that went to the finals and there hasn't been one post talking about KVH, press conferences or Zo.

Somebody is really slipping

 

[GMJ]

Cpaw I know you weren't talking about me, but I've just got 'to be real with it:' fuck alonzo mourning.

oh and ly_yng, Joakim Noah is a great emotional player, but a leader? He just got benched by his teammates

 

[User01]

Frank isn't the problem. Thorn is. Thorn is good at getting good players. But he's terrible at knowing what players fit together. How the hell are we supposed to have a good offense when we have one offensive big man, who is currently injured, most of our offensive players are wings, our biggest option is a half court guy, and the rest of them are fast break. its amazing that Frank is able to come up with anything that resembles a scheme.

 

[zєяσ]

Quite frankly, Im surprised we even have 18 wins thus far.

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 23 2008, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and ly_yng, Joakim Noah is a great emotional player, but a leader? He just got benched by his teammates

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The kid cares so damn much about winning that he bitched out BEN FREAKING WALLACE. Wallace was the face of "do anything to win" 3 years ago, and Joakim Noah has the balls to stand up to him. I mean, come on.

At least emotionally, no-one in the league reminds me more of K-Mart than Noah (maybe KG?).

I loved the "bitch out KVH" press conference, by the way. Mutumbo was certainly a bad trade that sent us to salary cap hell, but come on, someone needed to say it. Could you imagine if someone on the team bitched out Carter like that? That'd be amazing!

 

[GMJ]

hahaha it'd be amazing, and I'd be all for it. My point is just that there's a difference between emotion/heart/passion/effort and leadership qualities.

The best part is that Noah will chew out anyone, even his coach! Could you imagine if he went after Frank? Then Magloire would feel compelled to step up! ¡Revolución!

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jan 23 2008, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I loved the "bitch out KVH" press conference, by the way. Mutumbo was certainly a bad trade that sent us to salary cap hell, but come on, someone needed to say it. Could you imagine if someone on the team bitched out Carter like that? That'd be amazing!</div>
I'm pretty sure RJ has called out Frank this year regarding Collins and Malik...
Still somebody needs to be accountable for Carter and Kidd obviously doesn't give a shit about it.

 

[razel231]

Can anyone tell me how many years LFrank's contract has left including this year and for how much the total worth of the contract from this year to on?

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (razel231 @ Jan 26 2008, 02:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can anyone tell me how many years LFrank's contract has left including this year and for how much the total worth of the contract from this year to on?</div>

$2.5M this year, $8.6M over the next two years.

 

[Jizzy]

as much as i hate laura, i COULD live with him in the rebuilding process. he would be forced to adjust his coaching style knowing he's not talking to wily vets, instead young kids learning.