Layman to T-Wolves (1 Viewer)

[BonesJones]

My understanding is you get the TPE for what he was on your books, not what the new team signed him for in the trade.



According to Mario, he was 6'6", 195 when he was drafted and is now 6'9", 240 lbs. That is 25 lbs he's got on Jake who is listed at 215. Not saying Hezonja is a PF but that's quite a bit of difference. Hezonja has filled out quite a bit in that last couple of years.

I was just going off the listed measurements of 6-8, 225lbs.

Still don't like relying on the guy when we're trying to contend.

 

[BonesJones]

Layman wasn't "on the books anymore" except as a cap-hold. His contract expired on June 30. Layman didn't accept his QO so he was a free agent.

teams trade contracts and until Layman had a signed deal, he was untradeable. Once he signed his deal, then the TPE for trading him was his current salary which should have been over 3.5M

the only way that TPE can be as low as 1.8M is if somehow Tolliver was added to the deal

Wouldn't make any sense to add Tolliver to the deal, and his minimum is higher than $1.8M.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I'd rather have Layman than Tolliver.

You'd rather have a 4th string SF when our SFotF is our 5th string SF,
than a 2nd PF on a team where the starter is foul prone.

Curious. Explanation, maybe?

 

[illmatic99]

You'd rather have a 4th string SF when our SFotF is our 5th string SF,
than a 2nd PF on a team where the starter is foul prone.

Curious. Explanation, maybe?

Can't Jake play PF?

 

[wizenheimer]

Wouldn't make any sense to add Tolliver to the deal, and his minimum is higher than $1.8M.

it would only be the part Portland pays...about 1.7M. The league picks up the rest. The part the counts against the cap is the part Portland pays, not the full salary

but yeah, I can't see why Portland would not want the much larger TPE as an asset

 

[Scalma]

Can't Jake play PF?

No.

 

[TBpup]

Layman wasn't "on the books anymore" except as a cap-hold. His contract expired on June 30. Layman didn't accept his QO so he was a free agent.

teams trade contracts and until Layman had a signed deal, he was untradeable. Once he signed his deal, then the TPE for trading him was his current salary which should have been over 3.5M

the only way that TPE can be as low as 1.8M is if somehow Tolliver was added to the deal

So if someone did a S&T for Layman at $15M a year, that is the trade exception we would have? Okay, thanks....learned something new. I thought that's why the TPE was what was listed because the is what his QO was even though it wasn't excepted.

 

[DDolla]

Ask Darren Collison to come out of retirement and join the Blazers

 

[theprunetang]

I'm guessing that Jake and his State Farm agent told Neil to let him go, meaning it was time for him to get an opportunity for actual minutes elsewhere. Neil probably wanted to keep him, but not at the expense of disgruntling a player and his agent. He probably conceded this one to keep a good relationship with the agent going forward.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Can't Jake play PF?

No.
He could play PF when the other team goes small. Otherwise, no.

If we want an SF to play PF, we have plenty of others who could do it.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Can't Jake play PF?

Depends on the match up. Sure against the 4's that have no desire to bang down low Jake can guard PFs. But Tolliver's listed weight is 35 lbs heavier than Jake.
So maybe they felt they needed a different type of 4 on the roster in addition to the ones they had.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

No. Wouldn't be worth $1.8M anyway. We got a full TPE for Vonleh.

I just chalk it up to Dwight being bad at math.

It used to count. It was factored into things a few years ago when we kept stashing Euros (not saying it factored it TPE’s but it did factor into the cap space situation, but admittedly, I don’t claim or pretend to know that much about the cap, just the basics).

And it looks like TBpup is right on this. I was just taking a wild guess based on how they count at some times....

But I can see why you’d blame Dwight, given you wasted a bunch of time on twitter trying to straighten the guy out with your opinions.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

sigh. A terrible argument. Unfortunately, I've heard it before and refuted it many times - too tired to yet again.

So what is your stance? Are we better or not? Or did you post and I need to go back (totally honest question - your response just here isn’t clear).

 

[BonesJones]

It used to count. It was factored into things a few years ago when we kept stashing Euros (not saying it factored it TPE’s but it did factor into the cap space situation, but admittedly, I don’t claim or pretend to know that much about the cap, just the basics).

And it looks like TBpup is right on this. I was just taking a wild guess based on how they count at some times....

But I can see why you’d blame Dwight, given you wasted a bunch of time on twitter trying to straighten the guy out with your opinions.

Dude should explain why it's a $1.8M TPE instead of more, with him being an insider and all. I simply asked him where that number came from and when he didn't give an explanation, I chalked it up to him doing the math wrong, which he's done with stuff in the past.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Another Great Sign From Neil...

This offseason, and especially this move, shows that Neil learned something from the 2016 fiasco. He is now no longer OVERLY in love with his own draft picks.

He drafted Aminu, and let him walk.
He drafted Layman, and let him walk.

It's great to see this from the man who re-signed his own dudes for way too much $$$ in 2016.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Dude should explain why it's a $1.8M TPE instead of more, with him being an insider and all. I simply asked him where that number came from and when he didn't give an explanation, I chalked it up to him doing the math wrong, which he's done with stuff in the past.

Wasn’t meant as I dig, by the way. I just saw the exchanges back-and-forth the other day on Twitter, and it’s two dudes, for better or worse, just not saying “let’s agree to disagree,” and move on.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

@Rastapopoulos what's the story on this guy Bojan Dubljevic??

He's pretty good but apparently likes living in Europe.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Another Great Sign From Neil...

This offseason, and especially this move, shows that Neil learned something from the 2016 fiasco. He is now no longer OVERLY in love with his own draft picks.

He drafted Aminu, and let him walk.
He drafted Layman, and let him walk.

It's great to see this from the man who re-signed his own dudes for way too much $$$ in 2016.

Layman’s contract in today’s NBA is nothing. Apples to oranges. Agree on Aminu.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

You know what dumping Jake for Hezonja reminds me of? Dumping Connaughton for Stauskas. I heard so many arguments about how we were a much better spot for Stauskas than his previous spots, and how our system would make him a useful player while Pat would struggle elsewhere because our system helped him out as well.

Connaughton was great for Milwaukee last year and Stauskas' numbers here were NO BETTER than any other stop on his journey. Now Stauskas is on his way out of the league.

I kind of figured that's what you've been thinking; I just hope it doesn't go that way.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

My understanding is you get the TPE for what he was on your books, not what the new team signed him for in the trade.



According to Mario, he was 6'6", 195 when he was drafted and is now 6'9", 240 lbs. That is 25 lbs he's got on Jake who is listed at 215. Not saying Hezonja is a PF but that's quite a bit of difference. Hezonja has filled out quite a bit in that last couple of years.

Wow; didn't realize he got that much bigger. Doesn't look that big on the tapes of his last few games.

 

[wizenheimer]

So if someone did a S&T for Layman at $15M a year, that is the trade exception we would have? Okay, thanks....learned something new. I thought that's why the TPE was what was listed because the is what his QO was even though it wasn't excepted.

don't treat me like an oracle on the CBA....I'm not.

it's just that the 1.8M number makes no kind of sense.

 

[CupWizier]

For the 1st time in a long time, the Blazers are gonna look a lot different. I think this year will tell you a ton about Stotts. I know your feelings there, I think one could argue that some of the problems could have been roster related and not just Stotts. With so many new pieces and basically a new team around Dame and CJ, we’ll learn a lot about if it was limitations due to the roster or just Stotts.

Stotts has already proven he can mesh new players onto the team and be competitive. He did it when we lost 4 of our starters including an all star.

 

[wizenheimer]

It used to count. It was factored into things a few years ago when we kept stashing Euros (not saying it factored it TPE’s but it did factor into the cap space situation, but admittedly, I don’t claim or pretend to know that much about the cap, just the basics)..

like I said, it counts for unsigned 1st round picks. That's why there were cap-holds for Rudy and Freeland. No cap-holds for 2nd round picks unless there was a change to the CBA i'm not aware of

I think Jaynes is wrong but I'm not certain of that

 

[BonesJones]

Wasn’t meant as I dig, by the way. I just saw the exchanges back-and-forth the other day on Twitter, and it’s two dudes, for better or worse, just not saying “let’s agree to disagree,” and move on.

I'll be honest, I have a cavalier attitude towards mainstream media. One of many reasons is because of the types to hear from a source that it's only a $1.8M TPE and not ask for an explanation why (either because they doesn't have the knowledge to ask why or they don't care enough to give Blazer fans an explanation for it)… Doesn't seem like they're fully doing their job in that case.

 

[H.C.]

Can't Jake play PF?

I certainly didn't enjoy watching Portland give up 21 offensive rebounds in a quarter(or was it a half? idr) in a playoff game.
Jake Layman at the 4 won't help with this.

 

[RR7]

like I said, it counts for unsigned 1st round picks. That's why there were cap-holds for Rudy and Freeland. No cap-holds for 2nd round picks unless there was a change to the CBA i'm not aware of

I think Jaynes is wrong but I'm not certain of that

No cap hold on 2nd rounders, you are correct. Cap holds for 1st rounders only. I don't know what Jaynes said, but if there's a discrepency in CBA knowledge, it's likely on his end.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

So what is your stance? Are we better or not? Or did you post and I need to go back (totally honest question - your response just here isn’t clear).

We're WAY better.

The Blazers strategy is based on 2 imperatives:
1) Create an atmosphere of SUPPORT - emotional and otherwise.
2) Get SHOOTERs and teach them to play basketball.

The basic idea for #1 is Players who are mediocre elsewhere thrive here. That's how we get a competitive advantage.
The basic idea for #2 is to give the defense no quarter.

Imagine a team with 5 players who are all great shooters - let's call them Kyle Korvers.
Trap or double team them, they swing the ball to an open Kyle Korver.
Man2man defense? They do double off-ball screens or some other crazy action. A Kyle Korver will get open.

How to do this in practice?
No problem, we have..
ballhandling Kyle Korvers,
rebounding Kyle Korvers,
screening Kyle Korvers,
defender Kyle Korvers...

So, why all of the turnover? Because outside of Biebs and Curry, all of them were bad to horrible Kyle Korvers.

Who did we get?
A Kyle Korver who can guard PFs (z3)
A Kyle Korver who can defend (Bazemore)
A Kyle Korver who can simply shoot over half the league (Hood)
A Kyle Korver who is superathletic and can do a little of everything (Little, he'll be a very good shooter, but not right away)
A Kyle Korver ball handler (Super Mario)

 

[BonesJones]

I certainly didn't enjoy watching Portland give up 21 offensive rebounds in a quarter(or was it a half? idr) in a playoff game.
Jake Layman at the 4 won't help with this.

That's because Evan Turner was at the 4. Layman is a better option than Turner. Layman rebounded as well as Tolliver last year.

 

[Driew]

Why is The HCP still allowed to make threads?

 

[THE HCP]

Why is The HCP still allowed to make threads?

Wait til my first summer league thread son!