Re: LBJ: Triple-Double in his Debut!!!
[quote name='GotSkillz52' post='43067' date='Apr 24 2006, 05:24 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='43062' date='Apr 24 2006, 07:56 PM'][quote name='GotSkillz52' post='43052' date='Apr 24 2006, 04:26 PM'][quote name='chang' post='43035' date='Apr 24 2006, 06:55 PM']#1 You make it sound like he played with 4 top 50s at the same time.#2 Hal Greer is no longer top 50 greatest all time. That list was made in 96. Chet Walker was never a top 50 greatest player of all time. Only Cunningham and West were legit top 50 players.#3 His scoring dipped from 61-67 every year. When he played with Jerry West, it was close to the end of his career. He didn't score much. Al lhe did was stand there and get a rebound.#4 Shaq's scoring has been dipping every year too but still averages what 26 12 2.5? Shaq had to play with bonafide superstars. Penny of the past was one of the greatest. Kobe is a top 5-10 even though he thinks he is a team. Wade will be a top 50 all time. If you consider Walt the greatest, Shaq has to be a close 2nd.Wilt is a better player than Shaq but he was before his time, making his stats look amazing. He's still one of the top 5 players with Michael Jordan, Dr. J, Pistol Pete, and Kareem.[/quote] #1. He played with Greer and Chet at the same time. Playing with Cunningham or West had to be a huge factor. #2. Hal Greer is still a top 50. The NBA never changed it. Updated versions were made that had nothing to do with NBA. Chet wasnt a top 50 but Greatest players.#3 He got more talent around him which can be why his scoring dropped. He had a ship with Jerry West, thas why I included it. Nobody just stands there. He was probably still trying to score. He wasnt jerry's ballboy, he just got older.#4 What made Penny the Greatest? PLaying with Shaq. I bet if he didnt injure his knee, his numbers wouldve still dropped. Kobe wouldnt have gotten the rings if it wasnt for Shaq, Wade wouldnt have reached so deep into the playoffs if it wasnt for Shaq. Shaq draws double teams which results in open shots. Shaq changes the game entirely for anybody that plays with him. I bet if I played with im I would average 10 points a game.[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='43038' date='Apr 24 2006, 07:02 PM'][quote name='GotSkillz52' post='43022' date='Apr 24 2006, 03:21 PM']Once again Wilt played with 4 top 50 players of all time. Can you name the players on that spectactular Celtic team with Russell? You talk about advantages Wilt was 55 pounds heavier and like 3 inches taller.[/quote]In every single year of his career that he won a ring, he had at least 3 of the following on his team:Sam Jones, HOFerK.C. Jones, HOFerBill Sharman, HOFerFrank Ramsey, HOFerTom Heinsohn, HOFerJohn Havlicek, HOFerBailey Howell, HOFerClyde Lovellette, HOFerArnie Risen, HOFerBob Cousy, HOFerAndy Phillip, HOFerWorking with 11 Hall of Famers, the bare minimum of 3 at a time, I'm sure had nothing to do with the Celtics success.Including Bill Russell, the Celtics had 4 future Hall of Famers on the floor every single year they won a championship from 1957-1969. And this doesn't include the players who were simply multi-year All-Stars.Put 4 future Hall of Famers on the floor at the same time, and you're going to win a championship. Lets list any 4 future hall of famers in the NBA right now, all playing on the same court with some multi-year all stars in that 5 spot and on the bench.... and they'll dominate.So lets see.C Ben WallacePF Tim DuncanSF Shawn MarionSG Kobe BryantPG Paul Piercewith Rasheed Wallace and Vince Carter on the bench.Of course Wilt didn't win but 1 Championship, he had to go against a roster like that ^ every year. Put Shaq on a team with say Jason Kidd and Lebron James. They will contend with the above team, but they won't beat them consistently.[quote name='chang' post='43035' date='Apr 24 2006, 03:55 PM']#1 You make it sound like he played with 4 top 50s at the same time.#2 Hal Greer is no longer top 50 greatest all time. That list was made in 96. Chet Walker was never a top 50 greatest player of all time. Only Cunningham and West were legit top 50 players.#3 His scoring dipped from 61-67 every year. When he played with Jerry West, it was close to the end of his career. He didn't score much. Al lhe did was stand there and get a rebound.#4 Shaq's scoring has been dipping every year too but still averages what 26 12 2.5? Shaq had to play with bonafide superstars. Penny of the past was one of the greatest. Kobe is a top 5-10 even though he thinks he is a team. Wade will be a top 50 all time. If you consider Walt the greatest, Shaq has to be a close 2nd.Wilt is a better player than Shaq but he was before his time, making his stats look amazing. He's still one of the top 5 players with Michael Jordan, Dr. J, Pistol Pete, and Kareem.[/quote]Do you have the list of the Top 50? I've just been taking his word for it.[/quote]
http://www.nba.com/history/players/50greatest.htmlChet wasnt top 50. I got confused with another list.Why didnt the Lakers succeed with 4 future HOF's?ShaqKobePaytonMaloneThey didnt have allstars but they had very good role players like Fisher, George, Medvedenko, and Rush who provided sparks off the bench.[/quote]You can't in any way shape or form compare the Glove and the Mailman in their end of the rope effort to get a ring to the multitude of HOFers in their prime playing in Boston.[/quote] End of the Rope but they could still put up numbers. The Glove is a key addition to the heat off the bench. Karl put up solid numbers with LA.[/quote]You can't compare HOFers in their prime with HOFers who are a shell of themselves in a last ditch effort for a ring, unless you are a complete and total moron. Accept your defeat and move on, this has gotten humiliating for you.
