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King Shake said:
Why are we still talking about BBF? You are here, it's done.
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They can talk about whatever they want to. I'm not talking about other sites, just about what we do.
 
BG7 Lavigne said:
Denny, do you think you could integrate S2 with my wordpress site? Basically, I would castrate all non-wordpress elements of my site off, and keep the blog at the current domain, while making the forums the S2 Bulls forum, while integrating the userbases? Two separate entities still basically, that are in a symbiotic and combined (shared userbase) relationship.
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Get me on AIM. S2DennyCrane.
 
Trillian probably works on the mac.
 
Denny Crane said:
I kinda ramble here:

The technical issue with single signon is the cookies, cross domain security issues implemented by the browsers, and quite a few other similar things. People don't expect multiple different hosts/domains to belong to the same domain as far as the technology goes. I personally don't like the idea of having to sign in to the Blazers board to post, then go sign in to the Nets board to post, then go sign in to the Bulls board to post, and so on. That's a cookie problem. Javascript also has similar issues, which ties our hands with what we can do going forward.

And like I said, I don't see the value in running a network of independant sites like you've seen elsewhere.

It seems to me there's another site people are talking about on this site as if it has a brand (which it does). We do think there's value to the S2 brand currently, and in the long run. In your analogy, S2 is the supermarket proper - you do tell people to go to Albertsons or Safeway to get their band aids.

What is possible is something like blazers.sportstwo.com, and that's an issue that I would want to address for the entire site, not just this one forum. It's just an economy of my time and labor issue.

Customer care is what it is. It's almost our whole business model. If we lose sight of it, we're nothing.
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Why not also have www.blazers.com (or whatever guys want) forward to blazers.sportstwo.com.

http://chicagobearsdaily.com/

as a very prototypical example
 
mook said:
You totally get half of what I'm saying.

The other half is that there's a psychological attachment users can easily make with The Blazers. There really isn't one with The NBA.

Some people really do think, "I love the NBA" (just like the old slogan). But I'd bet there are far, far more people who think, "I love the Blazers."

The NBA is too diverse, too spread out over too many cities with too many competing teams for an emotional attachment to form. The Blazers, however, are nicely confined to one city, 15 players and one coach, and of course the history of the franchise.

SportsTwo will always have the same problem (just like Basketballforum did). By its nature, it has to please too many people to be effective at fostering strong brand attachment. It could fight this, or it could shrug and make something fans could become attached to.
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mook said:
Nobody cares about Johnson & Johnson, but everybody can use one of their Bandaids.

Similarly, I don't think most posters will ever feel a strong allegiance to SportsTwo.com. (Sorry!) They feel allegiance to their team, their favorite posters and that localized community. If you brand that localized community under your own site with a new name, suddenly you are allowing them to invest good will in your products. It becomes a little harder to "follow the herd" in the next bulletin board migration, because part of their identity is wrapped up in the logo and the domain name.

People mostly didn't buy Air Jordans because they liked the Taiwanese shoe plant or the engineers at Nike. They wanted to Be Like Mike. As great as SportsTwo appears to be, it really can't go beyond being Johnson & Johnson or a combination of shoe plant/engineer.

Forcing me to type in SportsTwo.com and then browsing to the Blazers board is like telling somebody in a grocery store to go to the Johnson & Johnson section to get a BandAid. It just doesn't logically follow.
Maybe just buy up all the domain names for the teams with the word "Two" after it. You'd have BlazersTwo.com, for example. I'd like to be able to tell my friends to check out BlazersTwo.com. It's a lot easier than telling them to go to SportsTwo.com and then go find the Blazer board.

Anyway, I'm a marketing guy by trade, so I think about this crap probably a lot more than I should. I appreciate you taking the time to chat about this.
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I believe in the same freedom for posters Denny preaches, but I think you're getting a little carried away here.

Whether or not you get your own separate url/domain/whatever makes no difference, Sportstwo is a great site and various posters are missing out when they stick to their team forums. I have yet to see how Sportstwo is not a respectable brand name and I like the big goals the staff has set out for us. Everything we've done recently makes sense, we have great aspirations for this site.
 
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MikeDC said:
Keep quiet till after they're settled huevon! Then we'll start the random bannings, post editing and anal probing.
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People act like anal probing is such a big deal.

Get back to me after you've had a urethral probe. From somebody with large fingers.
 
Jurassic said:
Yeah that's understandable, but to a certain extent it could be confined to one thread.

Over just the past couple days I have seen "BBF.com is a joke", "Learning from BBF.com", and "I've been banned from BFF!" If I didn't know better I'd say this is all a covert operation to promote them. :dunno:
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If you know better, then you know some of this history of the community that has begun its migration here after almost six years at BFF.com.

And if you are reading this thread, I think it's safe to say that this is not a thread dedicated to ripping BFF... it's just talking about how to improve THIS site and ensure that it's the best experience for users and the smartest business angle for the owners/admins to take.

Ed O.
 
Agreed, Ed. I don't have a problem openly discussing policy from the posters' perspective or good ideas like those presented here.

I'll try to answer as direct and as honestly as I possibly can.
 
Jurassic said:
Yeah that's understandable, but to a certain extent it could be confined to one thread.

Over just the past couple days I have seen "BBF.com is a joke", "Learning from BBF.com", and "I've been banned from BFF!" If I didn't know better I'd say this is all a covert operation to promote them. :dunno:
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You didn't stay up reading each new post that Maxiep added or read every last word of every thread like it was a soap opera like I did.

It was awesome.

Sitting back and reading idiotic comments from the moderators was priceless.
 
bodyman5001 said:
You didn't stay up reading each new post that Maxiep added or read every last word of every thread like it was a soap opera like I did.

It was awesome.

Sitting back and reading idiotic comments from the moderators was priceless.
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Check the Knicks board, it's also pretty funny.
 
I think a lot of basketballforums problems came from not following the old saying, "When you're in a hole, stop digging".

Reading the one linked thread to the Blazers board over there, it seems like their moderating staff still doesn't get it.
 
Went and checked out a thread about Zach Randolph.

Yikes, I guess they need someone to do a little equation for them.

Zbo = crap.

The end.

(note, I did love watching him on offense)
 
Bump.
Right after the great migration. Looks like Mook came up with the RipCityTwo name.
 
mook said:
That's true. You could evade this entire issue by not using the team name at all. Just nicknames. Portland's could be "RipCityTwo.com" or something like that.
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I think Schonely owns that copyright.
 
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