LeBron James wins 4th MVP

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PapaG said:
No debate about who is the best player in the NBA right now.

Where is "The Taint" from the ESPN days? He claimed that James would be bust, and staked his board name on it. I have a guess he still posts here under another name that begins with jl...
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Nope, he's not jlprk.
 
Le Bron may be the best player in the league, but Durant has been a far better candidate for Most Valuable player the last 2 years.

Miami is a title contender with or without Le Bron.

OKC is a cellar-dweller without Durant.
 
Denny Crane said:
Alan Houston, Jerry Stackhouse, Reggie Miller, Ricky Pierce, Steve Smith, Jeff Hornacek, Drexler, Jalen Rose, Isaiah Rider, Jim Jackson, Hersey Hawkins, Eddie Jones, Michael Finley, Mitch Richmond, Latrell Sprewell.

Those are the prominent SGs from the 1st year of the 2nd threepeat.

Quite a few of those guys would be elite players today. Jackson, Richmond, Miller, Houston, Finley, Drexler, Smith, Rider...
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You're missing the point.

Jordan didn't face Houston, Stackhouse, Smith, Rider, Jones, Finley, Richmond, or Sprewell in the playoffs. Also, Rose wasn't a SG. Jordan faced the guys I mentioned in the playoffs.
 
MARIS61 said:
Le Bron may be the best player in the league, but Durant has been a far better candidate for Most Valuable player the last 2 years.

Miami is a title contender with or without Le Bron.

OKC is a cellar-dweller without Durant.
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Miami is first round and out without LeBron.
 
MARIS61 said:
Le Bron may be the best player in the league, but Durant has been a far better candidate for Most Valuable player the last 2 years.

Miami is a title contender with or without Le Bron.

OKC is a cellar-dweller without Durant.
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Bullshit.

Wade was injured most of last year, and is gimping (AGAIN!) in the playoffs this year.

Take Durant away, you have a decent team. Westbrook, Martin, Sefolosha, Ibaka, Perkins, Collison, Jackson, etc. Certainly not a cellar dweller. Westbrook hasnt even missed a game until now.

Take Lebron away and the Heat have to play completely different. Can't start or play Battier at the 4. Cant play a Wade/Chalmers/Allen or Battier without Lebron. Wade in and out of the lineup because of his knee (which would take even more of a beating if he was the GUY).

LeBron is the best and most valuable player.
 
KingSpeed said:
You're missing the point.

Jordan didn't face Houston, Stackhouse, Smith, Rider, Jones, Finley, Richmond, or Sprewell in the playoffs. Also, Rose wasn't a SG. Jordan faced the guys I mentioned in the playoffs.
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Jalen did play sg as well as sf
 
KingSpeed said:
You're missing the point.

Jordan didn't face Houston, Stackhouse, Smith, Rider, Jones, Finley, Richmond, or Sprewell in the playoffs. Also, Rose wasn't a SG. Jordan faced the guys I mentioned in the playoffs.
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Why does it matter if he faced those guys in the playoffs? The league had lots of outstanding SGs at the time.

And Rose was a SG who wanted to be a PG. In fact, he's listed at SF, though he played SG for the Bulls (for example).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roseja01.html
 
Denny Crane said:
Why does it matter if he faced those guys in the playoffs? The league had lots of outstanding SGs at the time.

And Rose was a SG who wanted to be a PG. In fact, he's listed at SF, though he played SG for the Bulls (for example).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roseja01.html
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The playoffs are all that matters. People like Stackhouse and Sprewell don't matter when talking about who stood in the way or Jordan getting what he wanted. Championships.
 
Also, Denny. Read your post. I asked who Jordan was facing in the playoffs and then you promptly made a list of players who didn't face him in the playoffs for the most part.
 
KingSpeed said:
The playoffs are all that matters. People like Stackhouse and Sprewell don't matter when talking about who stood in the way or Jordan getting what he wanted. Championships.
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Sure they did. He had to beat them to win enough games to make the playoffs, or get better seeds.
 
KingSpeed said:
Also, Denny. Read your post. I asked who Jordan was facing in the playoffs and then you promptly made a list of players who didn't face him in the playoffs for the most part.
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I think your premise is flawed.
 
So it was a writer from the Boston Globe who voted for Melo. His rationale was that MIA w/o Bron would be better than NYK w/o Melo. Don't really see the point of hypotheticals in this.

If we follow up on his rationale, and switch Melo with Bron, NYK would be the better team.
 
I spent way too much of my life cheering against Jordan and Shaq. (Thanks to superstar treatment that I felt our Drexler/Pippen teams never got.) I feel like I never fully appreciated how great they were while they were playing.

LeBron is right there with those guys, and I'm not making that mistake again.
 
yuyuza1 said:
So it was a writer from the Boston Globe who voted for Melo. His rationale was that MIA w/o Bron would be better than NYK w/o Melo.
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WTF? Miami with LeBron is much better than New York with Carmelo, so what's the absence of both prove?
 
Exactly. Miami without LeBron is better than the Bobcats without Kemba Walker. Give MVP to Kemba Walker. End of discussion.
 
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