Let's move Aldridge

[JfizzleBlazer]

what, because the rest of the team sucks, you just continue getting similar players to what's NOT working, keep the same coaching staff, etc...because that will fix things. great thinking there.

When did I ever say not to try a new coaching staff? Sure, try to get a better coach, try to get a stud teammate whatever. But holding onto aldridge after that stuff didnt work is dumb. No player should be untouchable.

Look im all for keeping aldridge if we can get him some help, he isnt a number one option on a championshi team, but if that doesnt work, you move him and start over

 

[Shooter]

Also, Charles Barkley and Steve Nash were both traded just before they won their MVP awards. And don't tell me every one of the GMs making these deals got fired. That's just ludicrous and untrue.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Yes. Jermaine Oneal was very injured in Toronto (Camby and Thomas combo is better). Marion was good, but was he truly better than the Wallace and Batum combo? Bargnani was too young to even make a big difference. Parker isn't even close to the talent of Crawford.

You forgot calderon > felton.

Talentwise we are pretty similar.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

When did I ever say not to try a new coaching staff? Sure, try to get a better coach, try to get a stud teammate whatever. But holding onto aldridge after that stuff didnt work is dumb. No player should be untouchable.

Look im all for keeping aldridge if we can get him some help, he isnt a number one option on a championshi team, but if that doesnt work, you move him and start over

Sure, as a final option, if Aldridge is starting to be a malcontent, we have fired the coaching staff, trainers, and traded all the players not playing well that we need to, and we're still bad in the long run, sure, we can trade Aldridge I guess.

 

[magnifier661]

You forgot calderon > felton.

Talentwise we are pretty similar.

Calderon wasn't part of the team when Bosh was there was he?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Calderon wasn't part of the team when Bosh was there was he?

He was

 

[RR7]

Shaq was 32 when he was traded. Hardly his prime. Garnett was 31. Hardly his prime.

 

[magnifier661]

Also, Charles Barkley and Steve Nash were both traded just before they won their MVP awards. And don't tell me every one of the GMs making these deals got fired. That's just ludicrous and untrue.

Well in Dallas, Cuban openly admitted that not resigning Nash was a huge mistake. And Charles Barkley, like Shaq, demanded a trade. Charles actually asked to go to Phoenix too.

 

[RR7]

nash left as a free agent. He wasn't traded.

 

[Shooter]

Shaq was 32 when he was traded. Hardly his prime.

Really? The year he was traded to the Heat he averaged 22.9 ppg and 10.4 rpg, made his 12th consecutive All-Star Team, and made the All-NBA 1st Team.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Really? The year he was traded to the Heat he averaged 22.9 ppg and 10.4 rpg, made his 12th consecutive All-Star Team, and made the All-NBA 1st Team.

Uhh, he was on the decline though. Wasn't the finals MVP.

He had that MDE season (most dominant ever) season back in 02 or so.

and he kind of forced his own exit b/c of the kobe/shaq drama.

 

[Shooter]

nash left as a free agent. He wasn't traded.

Nash was traded by the Suns to the Mavericks in 1998, after he'd been in the league for two years.

 

[RR7]

And he was 32. I don't care if he had a good year, he wasn't in his prime.

 

[RR7]

Nash was traded by the Suns to the Mavericks in 1998, after he'd been in the league for two years.

Sure was. Of course you said those guys were traded just before they won their MVPs. Nash didn't win an MVP in Dallas.

 

[Shooter]

And he was 32. I don't care if he had a good year, he wasn't in his prime.

Okay, forget about comparing Aldridge to all those superstars and MVPs who got traded. He's not an MVP kind of player anyway.

Let's compare him to a bunch of other really good players who all got traded in their prime . . .

Vince Carter
Chris Webber
Tim Hardaway
Dikembe Mutombo
Deron Williams
Pao Gasol
Carmelo Anthony
Dominique Wilkins
Ray Allen
Jason Kidd

All of these guys were considered cornerstones of their teams at the time, just like Aldridge, but they were traded with the goal of making the team better.

 

[magnifier661]

Okay shooter, here is your deal!

Chandler and Anthony for Aldridge, Felton, Matthews and Crawford.

Hahahaha

 

[magnifier661]

Okay, forget about comparing Aldridge to all those superstars and MVPs who got traded. Let's compare him to a bunch of other really good players who all got traded in their prime . . .

Vince Carter
Chris Webber
Tim Hardaway
Dikembe Mutombo
Deron Williams
Pao Gasol
Carmelo Anthony
Dominique Wilkins
Ray Allen
Jason Kidd

All of these guys were considered cornerstones of their teams at the time, just like Aldridge, but they were traded with the goal of making the team better.

Kidd, Webber, Hardaway, Melo and Williams all forced their way out. Carter left as a free-agent no? Mutombo, Wilkens and Allen were all past their prime when they were moved. And Gasol was dealt after 10 seasons in Memphis.

 

[RR7]

10 seasons in memphis? I think THIS is his 10th season.

 

[magnifier661]

10 seasons in memphis? I think THIS is his 10th season.

Crap my bad. 7 seasons. It seemed like forever though.

 

[RR7]

Anyways, to the point of the thread shooter, yeah, tons of people DO get traded in their prime. However, most of those teams made an attempt to build around their player, didn't work out great, and they moved him. And, most of those guys demanded out. This is the first year of making an attempt to actually build around Aldridge, without Oden or Roy in the mix. It seem slike you should give it an attempt before calling it a failure, IMO.

 

[Shooter]

Kidd, Webber, Hardaway, Melo and Williams all forced their way out. Carter left as a free-agent no? Mutombo, Wilkens and Allen were all past their prime when they were moved. And Gasol was dealt after 10 seasons in Memphis.

I would listen to you, except you keep getting your facts wrong. Gasol was CLEARLY a player at the top of his game when he was traded to the Lakers, which is why every NBA fan thought that the Lakers robbed Memphis. So whether it was seven years or 10 years that he was a Grizzly, you clearly aren't paying attention.

And you still haven't provided a link for your ridiculous assertion that every GM who traded one of the MVPs I mentioned got canned. You're just making stuff up as you go, aren't you?

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'd rather have Mullens than Biyombo; Mullens actually has a semblance of an offensive game.

to each his own I suppose, but Biyombo is starting to really round into something impressive the past few weeks or so ... He's still super young and he's raw as hell, but after watching him against Orlando and Dwight a a week ago he left me thinking he could end up a true force on the defensive end of the court.

 

[Shooter]

Anyways, to the point of the thread shooter, yeah, tons of people DO get traded in their prime. However, most of those teams made an attempt to build around their player, didn't work out great, and they moved him.

Which is what has happened in Portland. Aldridge has never been a leader like a Brandon Roy or a Jason Kidd or a Dwayne Wade. He just isn't suited for it. The only reason the Blazers are trying to make him a leader now is because they lost both Roy and Oden.

And, most of those guys demanded out.

Some of them may have wanted out, but the point is that a team can give up a star player and still survive, still get someone good in return, and still win a division, a conference, or an NBA title. The Mavericks won a title after they got rid of Jason Kidd, and the Lakers won a couple after getting rid of Shaq. And Denver is now playing better without Anthony . . .

Some people around here seem to think it would be the end of the world if we got rid of Aldridge, but it could actually be a very good thing for the team.

 

[RR7]

It hasn't been tried in Portland, though. That was my point.

And yes, Dallas won a title after they traded Kidd. Of course, they had to trade back for him to actually win that title. I also believe there were issues with him and Jim jackson. Lakerrs had issues with Shaq and Kobe. Denver had issues with Anthony. But they did win 54 gamesand make the WCF with him. We don't know if they are better without him yet.

 

[MickZagger]

That would be really cool if we could sneak James McAdoo in the draft. Unfortunately, I don't think many GM's think of him as a role player in the league.

 

[MickZagger]

ZBO, for one. Putting up 20/10 but then it was "necessary" to get him out of here at any price (one that hurt the franchise as they attempted to hoard cap space for two years). Result? Multiple allstar and led his team to the 2nd round of the playoffs last year.

The fans start to turn sour on players, the players get wind of it and it messes with their mind.

its always been historical, back in the day, blazer fans were calling for Drexler's head at times too. always a fickle bunch who turn on their players pretty quickly.

Hogwash.

Z-Bo was a blackhole that was a cancer on the Blazers. Fans didn't run him out of town, we got a better, smarter more all around player in Aldridge that made him expendable.

Drexler wanted a ring and our window had closed so management sent him to Houston, which was a contender.

Blazer fans haven't run anybody out of town.

 

[RR7]

Maybe not literally run them out of town, but I agree with him that fans tend to turn on the players here quite often.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Hogwash.

Z-Bo was a blackhole that was a cancer on the Blazers. Fans didn't run him out of town, we got a better, smarter more all around player in Aldridge that made him expendable.

Drexler wanted a ring and our window had closed so management sent him to Houston, which was a contender.

Blazer fans haven't run anybody out of town.

expendable? Kp did worse as anyone could possibly do in that situation and a lot of it was to shed a made up jail blazer era, when it was just the local media trolling and bandwagon wanting to bitch and moan about someone new

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[EL PRESIDENTE]

And you were too young in the drexler era, fans were doing then what they are doing now.


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[MickZagger]

expendable? Kp did worse as anyone could possibly do in that situation and a lot of it was to shed a made up jail blazer era, when it was just the local media trolling and bandwagon wanting to bitch and moan about someone new

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So its gone from the fans to the local media... Are they one in the same.

Blazer fans have never ran anybody out of town, you don't know what you're talking about. Go to New York though, Carmelo is about to get ran out of town there.