Let's move Aldridge

[MickZagger]

And you were too young in the drexler era, fans were doing then what they are doing now.


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Give me just one link or reference to Clyde getting ran out of town in Portland and I'll believe you.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So its gone from the fans to the local media... Are they one in the same.

Blazer fans have never ran anybody out of town, you don't know what you're talking about. Go to New York though, Carmelo is about to get ran out of town there.

The media influences the fans. While we have a passionate fan base we also have one that has too short a leash on players. The fans turn on players, who then react to it negatively. Its classic portland basketball

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[blazerboy30]

And you were too young in the drexler era, fans were doing then what they are doing now.


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This definitely doesn't sound familiar to me.

 

[MickZagger]

Maybe not literally run them out of town, but I agree with him that fans tend to turn on the players here quite often.

Thats in every city. This message board is no different than any other forum of any other NBA team. Were the diehards who want whats best for our teams. Just because a few in here feel one way does not mean a whole fanbase does. Shit, fans still gave Oden the benefit of doubt until he got like his 4th severe leg injury.

 

[MickZagger]

The media influences the fans. While we have a passionate fan base we also have one that has too short a leash on players. The fans turn on players, who then react to it negatively. Its classic portland basketball

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Seems you've lost touch with the Blazers. How many games have you gone to in the past 5-10 years?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I say the best way to rebuild this team is to move Aldridge. He's got a great outside shot, yes, but his rebounding is weak and his game is predictable. Worst of all, I don't see him giving 100% every night. The other night, in a big game against the Celtics, he only managed to pull down 4 rebounds. Is that really what you want from your 6'11 power forward?? In short, I don't think Aldridge is the kind of guy you build a team around.

I wouldn't mind seeing what he could bring us right now--a good young player and a #1 pick would be about right. Then we could trade Wallace, Felton, Camby, et al, for younger players or picks, and start the rebuilding process with a bang. This team is going nowhere, and we all know it. The sooner we rebuild, the sooner we can start enjoying good basketball again.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Seems you've lost touch with the Blazers. How many games have you gone to in the past 5-10 years?

20-30? and that's not living in Portland.

 

[MickZagger]

20-30? and that's not living in Portland.

I worked at the Rose Garden for 7 years and went to every home game during that time. I never saw fans ride anyone out of town. Maybe Bonzi Wells?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I worked at the Rose Garden for 7 years and went to every home game during that time. I never saw fans ride anyone out of town. Maybe Bonzi Wells?

Fans complain, want "good character guys". When the good character guys stop winning, they want "guys with an edge". Its an endless cycle.

 

[MickZagger]

Fans complain, want "good character guys". When the good character guys stop winning, they want "guys with an edge". Its an endless cycle.

I think you misconstrue fans on this board with the majority of fans.

 

[RR7]

the fans that stopped showing up when they began losing, and then started showing up after roy draft, and now seem to be not packing the place as often?

 

[MickZagger]

the fans that stopped showing up when they began losing, and then started showing up after roy draft, and now seem to be not packing the place as often?

Like every fanbase, wins and losses goes hand-in-hand with attendance.

 

[Rhal]

This thread gave me a good laugh. There is no reasoning with you shooter, but thats fine your a fan of this team and your opinion differs from mine. We have made a lot of moves to have a ton of capspace to build around LA this summer. Why dont we wait tell next season when we see what we look like with a ton of new talent and a new coach before we start asking to trade our franchise player.

 

[PapaG]

It hasn't been tried in Portland, though. That was my point.

And yes, Dallas won a title after they traded Kidd. Of course, they had to trade back for him to actually win that title. I also believe there were issues with him and Jim jackson. Lakerrs had issues with Shaq and Kobe. Denver had issues with Anthony. But they did win 54 gamesand make the WCF with him. We don't know if they are better without him yet.

She was the issue between Kidd and Jackson. JimmyJack pulled the heist. They also had Jamal Mashburn at the time. We're going back the early '90s, though.

 

[C_note]

Why, because Aldridge is too good to trade? Because we can't win without him? Because trading him would be sending away our best asset?

Guess what other NBA players have also been traded: Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal, Moses Malone, Bob McAdoo, Oscar Robertson, Dave Cowens, Kevin Garnett. And every one of those guys was an NBA MVP.

You think Aldridge is better than those guys? You think he's less replacable?? Or are you just showing how ignorant you are about NBA matters in general?

You literally just answered your own stupid hypothetical WITHIN THE SAME SENTENCE.

Tell me, how many of those guys won CHAMPIONSHIPS after they got traded? I can count at least 5 without reference.

Yet you still try to advocate trading our BY FAR best player. Unbelievable.

OK, hold on a sec. I'll play your stupid little game.
If you want to trade Aldridge, who are you gonna get in return? You just cited MVPs as a reason(?) for getting rid of him. I
f your proposal is gonna hold up AT ALL, we better be getting at least an MVP back in return.

I can't think of ONE example where Team X trades their best player and actually DOES BETTER afterwards. I'm sure there's a couple, but not that sure...

 

[Natebishop3]

That's very considerate of you Shooter. I agree. We should trade Aldridge off this team before he gets hurt and shortens his career. It's the right thing to do.

 

[MickZagger]

I'm probably going to get piled on for this. But, I'd trade Aldridge for Love. He's the only PF I'd trade Aldridge for.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'm probably going to get piled on for this. But, I'd trade Aldridge for Love. He's the only PF I'd trade Aldridge for.

I would too, in a heartbeat.

Assuming GS would, would any of you do this? http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6qe8g66

 

[Denny Crane]

How about Carlos Boozer, CJ Watson, and Omer Asik for LMA and Matthews?

 

[Mediocre Man]

How about Carlos Boozer, CJ Watson, and Omer Asik for LMA and Matthews?

Throw in that nice little pick you guys have, and it's a deal

 

[Denny Crane]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7yes5n4

I'd throw in the pick. It's the Bobcats' protected 1st round pick. It'll be good, for sure, in 2016.

 

[RR7]

that's terrible for portland. A protected Charlotte pick would get you to move Aldridge and Matthews for Boozer, Asik and Watson? And you laugh at other's suggestions, and hammer on mediocrity.

 

[Denny Crane]

You get a starting C, a starting PF who has been an all-star with a PER near 20, and a PG who plays D, shoots the 3, and can put up 30+ points on some nights, a deadly 3pt shooter off the bench who can play SG or SF. Plus the draft pick and cap relief.

The deal works without Korver and Wallace.

Post deal, the Blazers would be:

Watson, Korver, Batum, Boozer, Asik.

With Camby, Felton, Crawford, Joel off the bench.

Post deal without Korver and Wallace:

Watson, Batum, Wallace, Boozer, Asik

With Camby, Felton, Crawford, Joel off the bench.

 

[RR7]

we get a well paid 30 year old PF who isn't getting us anywhere, a mediocre PG, and Korver. Fuck no. Cap relief? Where do we get cap relief from? From not keeping the people we traded for? So we'd be left with fucking Boozer. No. That deal sucks if a team is rebuilding. No rebuilding pieces! Awesome deal.

 

[Denny Crane]

Korver is an expiring $5M.

Watson plays D, is putting up 10 and 4 in 21 minutes, and shoots .432 from 3pt. Per 36, he's at 16/7. Not mediocre, but not a superstar either. But he might be the best PG you guys have had in years.

You're also getting a 25 year old 7' center with no history of injuries, whose per 36 are 8/12 and is regarded as an elite post defender.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Korver is an expiring $5M.

Watson plays D, is putting up 10 and 4 in 21 minutes, and shoots .432 from 3pt. Per 36, he's at 16/7. Not mediocre, but not a superstar either. But he might be the best PG you guys have had in years.

Yep. I see Boozer and Aldridge as a wash as to leading this team anywhere. They are both Robin's. Plus you get a nice young PG, Asik, who I would demand and a choice lotto pick in a few years, or a nice trade chip.

 

[Denny Crane]

Boozer's per 36 are 19/10 on 53% shooting, his PER is 19.5, down from 20+ much of the season.

Aldridge's per 36 are 21/8 on 52% shooting, his PER is awesome at 23.4.

The Blazers clearly give up the best player in the deal, but the Bulls give back the 2nd and 3rd best players.

 

[RR7]

Asik is a free agent. We have cap space, we can sign him. Watson has an unguaranteed deal. We can sign them both if we wanted to. So we downgrade from Aldridge to Boozer, who is currently worse, and also about 4 years older. But paid more. Hell no.

You build with stars, you hammer away telling us, and then you want to trade for a quantity over quality package. LOL. gtfo. no.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Asik is a free agent. We have cap space, we can sign him. Watson has an unguaranteed deal. We can sign them both if we wanted to. So we downgrade from Aldridge to Boozer, who is currently worse, and also about 4 years older. But paid more. Hell no.

You build with stars, you hammer away telling us, and then you want to trade for a quantity over quality package. LOL. gtfo. no.

You do build with stars, like the one you might get with Charlotte's pick in a couple of years

 

[Denny Crane]

The Bulls will match offers for Asik. You can only offer $5M to start. The Bulls will resign Watson, too.

Another possibility, this one includes a guy from this year's east all-star squad.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ntyv9e