Let's move Aldridge

[RR7]

4 years from now?! lol. so you're trading Aldridge to START your rebuild in 4 years. yeah. awesome job. brilliant. It really is. A pick 4 years from now. so stupid

 

[RR7]

The Bulls will match offers for Asik. You can only offer $5M to start. The Bulls will resign Watson, too.

Another possibility, this one includes a guy from this year's east all-star squad.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ntyv9e

If some team backloads a deal for Asik, Jerry isn't matching. For a backup C.

Another option is more mediocrity. Seriously, IF they were to deal Aldridge, they'd want a rebuilding package. you are offering mediocrity packages. no.

 

[Mediocre Man]

4 years from now?! lol. so you're trading Aldridge to START your rebuild in 4 years. yeah. awesome job. brilliant. It really is. A pick 4 years from now. so stupid

I trade Aldridge for a player that puts up basically the same numbers, a solid young center and a solid young PG. I trade Matthews for a potential lotto pick in 4 years. You have to look big picture. Even if Charlotte somehow makes the playoffs in 2016, you are still adding a first round pick.

 

[Denny Crane]

These posts gave me the idea, plus the Bulls and Magic are talking a similar package for Dwight Howard who is better than LMA.

If we can get a deal similar to what Utah got for Deron Williams (top 5 pick (Kanter), young promising player (Favors), and a former All-Star (Devin Harris)), I think you would have to take it. It would help us get a jump-start in rebuilding. Otherwise, unless we get lucky, a core of Mathews, Batum and Aldridge is going to keep us in the 10-16 range of draft picking purgatory.

OK--potential semi-comparables using the teams with the league's five worst records:

• DJ Augustin, BJ Mullens, and the Bobcats' #1
• Eric Gordon, Carl Landry, and the Hornets' #1
• Nick Young, Javale McGee, and the Wizards' #1
• Tyreke Evans, Jason Thompson, and the Kings' #1
• Jose Calderon, Demar Derozan, and the Raptors' #1

How many of those would you trade Aldridge for? Or, how many of those teams would make that deal for Aldridge?

I would do none of those.

But something like derrick williams, top five pick, good player was more along my line of thinking. Would nwver happen because they dont have the assets, but..... Utah got a lot for deron.

I think youd be crazy not to listen if someone offered you something comparable.

 

[Denny Crane]

If we can get a deal similar to what Utah got for Deron Williams (top 5 pick (Kanter), young promising player (Favors), and a former All-Star (Devin Harris)), I think you would have to take it. It would help us get a jump-start in rebuilding. Otherwise, unless we get lucky, a core of Mathews, Batum and Aldridge is going to keep us in the 10-16 range of draft picking purgatory.

OK--potential semi-comparables using the teams with the league's five worst records:

• DJ Augustin, BJ Mullens, and the Bobcats' #1
• Eric Gordon, Carl Landry, and the Hornets' #1
• Nick Young, Javale McGee, and the Wizards' #1
• Tyreke Evans, Jason Thompson, and the Kings' #1
• Jose Calderon, Demar Derozan, and the Raptors' #1

How many of those would you trade Aldridge for? Or, how many of those teams would make that deal for Aldridge?

I would do none of those.

But something like derrick williams, top five pick, good player was more along my line of thinking. Would nwver happen because they dont have the assets, but..... Utah got a lot for deron.

I think youd be crazy not to listen if someone offered you something comparable.

4 years from now?! lol. so you're trading Aldridge to START your rebuild in 4 years. yeah. awesome job. brilliant. It really is. A pick 4 years from now. so stupid

You are not going to rebuild overnight. You're going to want your own picks to be good ones, too, so you might get lucky and land a pick like Rose.

 

[RR7]

except in those instances, people mention a high pick now, not 4 years from now, which helps to rebuild now. They also referenced a high ceiling young player, Derrickk Williams, Favors. Asik is a young Joel przybilla, basically. Very useful for sure. Not the high ceiling player those deals mentioned. And the former all star, meh. But at least he isn't 30, and paid very handsomely the next 4 years. The package you are offering does nothing to help a team rebuild.

 

[RR7]

if we want our picks to be good, then we don't go out and trade for Boozer and Deng! We dump LA for a young player who will make sure our pick is a good one.

 

[blazerboy30]

I trade Aldridge for a player that puts up basically the same numbers, a solid young center and a solid young PG. I trade Matthews for a potential lotto pick in 4 years. You have to look big picture. Even if Charlotte somehow makes the playoffs in 2016, you are still adding a first round pick.

This is so hypocritical of you MM. You want to trade our best player for "solid" players? Solid players get you where this team is now. Damn what a stupid thing to propose.

 

[Shooter]

QQQ

You literally just answered your own stupid hypothetical WITHIN THE SAME SENTENCE.

Tell me, how many of those guys won CHAMPIONSHIPS after they got traded? I can count at least 5 without reference.

Guys like Chamberlain and Jabbar are going to win championships because they are truly dominant players. LaMarcus Aldridge is not in their category. If you think he is, then you don't know much about NBA basketball.

My point was that even NBA superstars get traded--so why should we think we can't trade Aldrige, who is certainly not a superstar? I hope that clears things up for you.

If you want to trade Aldridge, who are you gonna get in return? You just cited MVPs as a reason(?) for getting rid of him. If your proposal is gonna hold up AT ALL, we better be getting at least an MVP back in return.

Why? Aldridge is not an MVP, so why should we get one back in return? You seem to be all flummoxed by the MVP examples I cited, and have missed the point entirely. See above.

I can't think of ONE example where Team X trades their best player and actually DOES BETTER afterwards.

Of course not. You don't go into a rebuilding mode and get better the very next year. It takes a couple of years to get back into the race. But if you're saying that teams NEVER get better after trading their best player, then you're just being silly.

 

[jlprk]

We can't change this team around without lots of draft picks, which is what we could get for Aldridge.

 

[magnifier661]

Re: QQQ

Guys like Chamberlain and Jabbar are going to win championships because they are truly dominant players. LaMarcus Aldridge is not in their category. If you think he is, then you don't know much about NBA basketball.

My point was that even NBA superstars get traded--so why should we think we can't trade Aldrige, who is certainly not a superstar? I hope that clears things up for you.


Why? Aldridge is not an MVP, so why should we get one back in return? You seem to be all flummoxed by the MVP examples I cited, and have missed the point entirely. See above.


Of course not. You don't go into a rebuilding mode and get better the very next year. It takes a couple of years to get back into the race. But if you're saying that teams NEVER get better after trading their best player, then you're just being silly.

You are aware that Aldridge has the second highest PER for a PF in the game right?

 

[blazerboy30]

We can't change this team around without lots of draft picks, which is what we could get for Aldridge.

Hogwash. According to you, Joel is a better player than Aldridge. We should be able to get somebody almost at Joel's level to build around.

 

[jlprk]

We're going to need to stock up on draft picks and Aldridge can fetch us 5 or 6.

 

[blazerboy30]

We're going to need to stock up on draft picks and Aldridge can fetch us 5 or 6.

How many draft picks is Joel worth then?

 

[jlprk]

We need to save him for a few years from now when the draft picks for Aldridge begin to develop.

 

[Nikolokolus]

There's two things I don't get in this thread. A) The eagerness of some to dump Aldridge who has just entered his prime and is a fine second tier star on a very reasonable contract (plus he's always been healthy -- knock on wood) and B) The utter hostility being displayed by some people towards others for daring to bring it up.

LaMarcus is as close to untouchable as a player can usually get -- now -- but it won't always be this way. If the team can get really proactive and quickly retool this roster and surround him with enough guard and wing talent and a capable rebounding/defensive center over the next couple of years then we'll be thrilled that we kept this guy. If the team can't regain some kind of competitive edge and get back on a winning track by the end of the 2013-2014 season, then they should try to leverage Aldridge (and probably Batum if he's still here at that point) to get whatever kind of liquid assets they can then we'll see what a real rebuild looks like.

This whole thing should be a talk about timing, not should we or shouldn't we.

 

[Shooter]

Re: QQQ

You are aware that Aldridge has the second highest PER for a PF in the game right?

PER is fine. I'm all for good PER. But it doesn't mean Aldridge is a superstar. You should know that just by watching him game in and game out.

And you are "aware" that you still haven't backed up your claim that all the GMs who traded superstars got fired for it? I'm still waiting for that . . .

 

[magnifier661]

Re: QQQ

PER is fine. I'm all for good PER. But it doesn't mean Aldridge is a superstar. You should know that just by watching him game in and game out.

And you are "aware" that you still haven't backed up your claim that all the GMs who traded superstars got fired for it? I'm still waiting for that . . .

http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Philadelphia_76ers

In the 1967–68 season, with a new home court in the form of the The Spectrum to defend their championship, once again the 76ers made it back to the NBA Playoffs and in the rematch of last year's Eastern Conference Finals, the 76ers held a 3–1 series lead over the Celtics, before selfish play and ego cost them big, as the Celtics came back to beat the 76ers in seven games. At the end of the season, the 76ers inexplicably traded Hall of Famer Chamberlain to the Los Angeles Lakers for one arguable player, Archie Clark, and two mediocre role players, Darrell Imhoff and Jerry Chambers. The trade was one of the most mentally deficient in NBA history, and sent the Sixers into a freefall, which GM Jack Ramsay accelerated by subsequent divestiture of All Star forward Chet Walker for a series of grossly inadequate replacements.
While the rapidly declining Sixers continued to contend for the next three seasons, they never got past the second round. In 1971–72—only five years after winning the title—the Sixers finished 30–52 and missed postseason play for the first time in franchise history.
The bottom fell out in the 1972–73 season. The 76ers lost their first 15 games of the season, and a few months later set a then-record 20 game losing streak in a single season. Their record following the 20 game losing streak was 4–58, and the team at that point had just lost 34 of 35 games. The 76ers finished the season with a 9–73 record, earning the nickname from the skeptical Philadelphia media of the "Nine and 73-ers". Under Coach Roy Rubin the Sixers won 4, and lost 47. He was succeeded by player-coach Kevin Loughery, the team won 5, lost 26. This was Roy Rubin's first and last job coaching in the NBA. The 76ers finished an NBA-record 59 games behind the Atlantic Division champion Boston Celtics. The nine wins by the 1972–73 squad is the second fewest in NBA history—to the six games won by the Providence Steamrollers in the 48 game 1947–48 season. The 73 losses, although threatened several times, remains the all-time low-water mark for any NBA franchise. The Sixers' .110 winning percentage is also the lowest in NBA history. Only six seasons earlier, the 76ers had set the NBA record for most wins in a season.

You know Dr. Jack came to Portland the year after, which means he was fired. Are you happy now?

 

[magnifier661]

Re: QQQ

And getting back on this "PER" and leader quality not being the same; you are absolutely correct. Just having a good PER isn't enough, but proving that you work hard every off-season building another part of your game, bulk and strength is a sign of leadership. He wants to be the best, therefor he works hard being the best.

Yes Aldridge doesn't have that "Killer instinct" like a Roy, but I remembered Drexler having that same trait. Aldridge is way better now than Sheed was back in the days we made it to the WCF twice. Those teams really didn't have a leader either. So I don't think this thread has any teeth. It's just one fan that thinks we can't win with Aldridge and the many others saying how silly that sounds.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I was just having fun? Is this thread real?

Oh, I wouldn't deal Aldridge unless we got back something nice. Again, Aldridge to GS for Curry, Udoh and Klay Thompson would be the kind of deal to look at.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: QQQ

PER is fine. I'm all for good PER. But it doesn't mean Aldridge is a superstar. You should know that just by watching him game in and game out.

And you are "aware" that you still haven't backed up your claim that all the GMs who traded superstars got fired for it? I'm still waiting for that . . .

Well of course Aldridge isn't a superstar. The modern NBA game is tailor-made for wings and face up big men who can handle the ball like a guard. What he is is a pretty good defensive player with a lot of versatility and the ability to command a double team and produce despite the collection of bricklayers that surround him (for the most part). His ceiling is probably around the level of play Pau achieved during the Lakers' title runs, but he still needs an elite shot-creating point guard or wing to play alongside of ... and a coach who can devise an offense that does more than get one guy off while everyone else becomes a defacto role-player.

 

[magnifier661]

Re: QQQ

Well of course Aldridge isn't a superstar. The modern NBA game is tailor-made for wings and face up big men who can handle the ball like a guard. What he is is a pretty good defensive player with a lot of versatility and the ability to command a double team and produce despite the collection of bricklayers that surround him (for the most part). His ceiling is probably around the level of play Pau achieved during the Lakers' title runs, but he still needs an elite shot-creating point guard or wing to play alongside of ... and a coach who can devise an offense that does more than get one guy off while everyone else becomes a defacto role-player.

Wouldn't you think a "Melo-type" player would be a perfect compliment to Aldridge? Not saying that's even an option. Just for shits and giggles.

 

[blazerboy30]

There's two things I don't get in this thread. A) The eagerness of some to dump Aldridge who has just entered his prime and is a fine second tier star on a very reasonable contract (plus he's always been healthy -- knock on wood) and B) The utter hostility being displayed by some people towards others for daring to bring it up.

It isn't ridiculous to bring it up. It is ridiculous to suggest it with absolutely nothing to support it other than "his game is predictable" or "other start players have been traded".

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: QQQ

Wouldn't you think a "Melo-type" player would be a perfect compliment to Aldridge? Not saying that's even an option. Just for shits and giggles.

No, I think Melo is a chucking black-hole who has only marginal interest in playing defense. If you want a running mate who can win a title with LA think less Melo and more prime and healthy Ginobli.

 

[blazerboy30]

We need to save him for a few years from now when the draft picks for Aldridge begin to develop.

But just for my own education, IF we wanted to trade him, how many draft picks would we get for him?

 

[Nikolokolus]

But just for my own education, IF we wanted to trade him, how many draft picks would we get for him?

50.

 

[B-Roy]

50.

2nd rounders.

 

[Shooter]

It isn't ridiculous to bring it up. It is ridiculous to suggest it with absolutely nothing to support it other than "his game is predictable" or "other start players have been traded".

What's "ridiculous" is you simplifying my argument to those two points. It's also very dishonest, but then why should I be surprised? For the record, I also stated that Aldridge is soft, a mediocre rebounder, and not a natural leader.

At the same time, I don't discount the fact that he's an excellent offensive player. All things being equal, I wouldn't mind having him on my team. But when he's your biggest bargaining chip, you have to consider what you could get back for him.

 

[Shooter]

Re: QQQ

You know Dr. Jack came to Portland the year after, which means he was fired. Are you happy now?

One example?? Are you kidding me? You make a blanket statement about multiple GMs getting fired, and then all you can provide is one example?

SlyPokerDog is a joke.

 

[magnifier661]

Re: QQQ

One example?? Are you kidding me? You make a blanket statement about multiple GMs getting fired, and then all you can provide is one example?

SlyPokerDog is a joke.

Oh you want more? I quickly found that one just to appease you. Here's a few more.

McKale got fired immediately after he traded KG

Trading Jabbar chain reaction to change of ownership

The trade triggered a series of events that led to a change in the team's ownership. Jim Fitzgerald, the Bucks largest stockholder, opposed the trade and wanted to sell his stock. Although Fitzgerald was the largest stockholder, he didn't own enough stock to control the team.

Also, the GM was fired the year after.

http://www.cbssports.com/u/ce/feature/0,1518,1422176_54,00.html

Charlotte Hornets traded Zo, Kobe and Larry Johnson. GM was fired the following year.

Worst year: 1989-90
The Hornets' second year of existence was a tumultuous one with coach Dick Harter being fired on New Year's eve. He was replaced by Gene Littles. Then president/GM Carl Scheer resigned to become the president of the Denver Nuggets.

I did all of this in less than 10 minutes. Would you like more examples? Why Is SlyPokerDog such a joke?