"Let's Trade Aldridge and Start JJ, a REAL PF, at PF!"-- um no

[magnifier661]

You only named one - Howard.

Asik was 10.2/11.9/1.1 - he didn't meet two of the three stats.
Same is true for the others.

Josh Smith and Hibbert are the only other two that I can see.

Anthony Davis, Gasol, Noah (You are going to be picky about 0.9 points)?, Howard, Hibbert, Duncan.

Then if you take away the 1.5+ blocks, the list gets much much larger. Even if it's 1.2 blocks per game or higher.

 

[magnifier661]

The TPE wouldn't be enough. He makes over 20 mil per year and we only have like 13 million in cap space. I would rather offer them Matthews and Batum for Howard and then use our cap space/draft pick to fill the holes.

Lillard/Maynor
Redick?/Barton
Claver/draft pick?
Aldridge/Freeland
Howard/Leonard

I would do the same. They may have lost Kobe for good. There is even talk from the fanbase that they should amnesty Kobe. Adding two wings like Matthews and Batum would be a good thing for them.

 

[Denny Crane]

The TPE wouldn't be enough. He makes over 20 mil per year and we only have like 13 million in cap space. I would rather offer them Matthews and Batum for Howard and then use our cap space/draft pick to fill the holes.

Lillard/Maynor
Redick?/Barton
Claver/draft pick?
Aldridge/Freeland
Howard/Leonard

I don't think the Lakers want players back. Maybe they'd take Matthews as a short-term Kobe replacement.

But I don't think you can do TPE and a player in the same deal.

 

[Denny Crane]

Anthony Davis, Gasol, Noah (You are going to be picky about 0.9 points)?, Howard, Hibbert, Duncan.

Then if you take away the 1.5+ blocks, the list gets much much larger. Even if it's 1.2 blocks per game or higher.

Stats are precise things. Numbers.

So yeah, I'm going to be picky.

 

[BBert]

So what center could we get for Aldridge? That's gonna be the $10,000 answer.

I think you left off a few zeros.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't think the Lakers want players back. Maybe they'd take Matthews as a short-term Kobe replacement.

But I don't think you can do TPE and a player in the same deal.

Yes you can. You cannot use a TE in combination of obtaining a player with that TE. Portland isn't using a TE. They are giving Lakers the TE because the deal is lopsided.

 

[magnifier661]

Stats are precise things. Numbers.

So yeah, I'm going to be picky.

So you would rather have Gortat than Noah?

 

[Denny Crane]

So you would rather have Gortat than Noah?

It's close, but no.

 

[magnifier661]

It's close, but no.

Wow... Okay I will give you Batum and our pick for Noah. Would you take that?

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't think the Lakers want players back. Maybe they'd take Matthews as a short-term Kobe replacement.

But I don't think you can do TPE and a player in the same deal.

Howard is making something like $20 mil a year. Matthews and Batum are making around 16 million I think (combined). The Blazers would have to find a way to fill the last four million, but at least this way the Lakers get younger and they get something rather than nothing for Howard. The whole thing is completely hypothetical because I'm not convinced that D12 would come here, but it's fun to speculate.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes you can. You cannot use a TE in combination of obtaining a player with that TE. Portland isn't using a TE. They are giving Lakers the TE because the deal is lopsided.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q83

In some cases, teams have up to one year to acquire the replacement player(s) to complete a trade. These trades are considered non-simultaneous. In a non-simultaneous trade, a team can acquire only up to 100% plus $100,000 of the outgoing salary (as opposed to a higher amount in a simultaneous trade). A trade in which salaries are aggregated (see question number 82) cannot be non-simultaneous.

 

[RR7]

it's not combining a TPE with a player, it's using cap space with a player, which creates a TPE for LA.

 

[magnifier661]

it's not combining a TPE with a player, it's using cap space with a player, which creates a TPE for LA.

This....

 

[Mediocre Man]

Howard is making something like $20 mil a year. Matthews and Batum are making around 16 million I think (combined). The Blazers would have to find a way to fill the last four million, but at least this way the Lakers get younger and they get something rather than nothing for Howard. The whole thing is completely hypothetical because I'm not convinced that D12 would come here, but it's fun to speculate.

Freeland and Leonard would equal that.

and we woul dstill have our cap space....right? While it wouldn't be ideal, we would be the talk of the league if we dealt for Howard and were able to sign Josh Smith


Lillard
Barton
Smith
Aldridge
Howard

 

[magnifier661]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q83

In some cases, teams have up to one year to acquire the replacement player(s) to complete a trade. These trades are considered non-simultaneous. In a non-simultaneous trade, a team can acquire only up to 100% plus $100,000 of the outgoing salary (as opposed to a higher amount in a simultaneous trade). A trade in which salaries are aggregated (see question number 82) cannot be non-simultaneous.

But we aren't trading our TE. We are creating a TE for the Lakers, like I said already.

 

[magnifier661]

Freeland and Leonard would equal that.

and we woul dstill have our cap space....right? While it wouldn't be ideal, we would be the talk of the league if we dealt for Howard and were able to sign Josh Smith


Lillard
Barton
Smith
Aldridge
Howard

That would be one hell of a line-up! One can dream right?!?!

 

[Natebishop3]

Freeland and Leonard would equal that.

and we woul dstill have our cap space....right? While it wouldn't be ideal, we would be the talk of the league if we dealt for Howard and were able to sign Josh Smith


Lillard
Barton
Smith
Aldridge
Howard

Plus don't forget the draft pick we'd have coming in, but that sure is a lot to trade for a guy that LA is going to lose anyway.

 

[magnifier661]

Plus don't forget the draft pick we'd have coming in, but that sure is a lot to trade for a guy that LA is going to lose anyway.

If this did happen, we need to bring in a shooter cause we just got rid of two of our best.

 

[Natebishop3]

If this did happen, we need to bring in a shooter cause we just got rid of two of our best.

Redick or Mayo. I'm not really a fan of signing Smith to play small forward.

 

[magnifier661]

Redick or Mayo. I'm not really a fan of signing Smith to play small forward.

Aldridge should play SF. Play him like we played Sheed!

 

[Natebishop3]

Aldridge should play SF. Play him like we played Sheed!

I think Sheed was a better perimeter player than Aldridge, and even Sheed struggled at SF. I'm worried about trying to pair Smith with Aldridge. It reminds me too much of Zach and Abdur-Rahim.

 

[Denny Crane]

But we aren't trading our TE. We are creating a TE for the Lakers, like I said already.

I think I'm right.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/06/traded-player-exception.html

In non-simultaneous deals, a team can trade away a single player without immediately taking salary back in return. The team then has up to one year in which it can acquire multiple players whose salaries amount to no more than the traded player's salary (plus $100K).

 

[RR7]

I think I'm right.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/06/traded-player-exception.html

In non-simultaneous deals, a team can trade away a single player without immediately taking salary back in return. The team then has up to one year in which it can acquire multiple players whose salaries amount to no more than the traded player's salary (plus $100K).

We can trade them Matthews for Howard, with our cap space. We can not trade Matthews to someone with cap space for nothing, and then use the TPE created along with Batum to trade for Howard.

 

[magnifier661]

I think I'm right.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/06/traded-player-exception.html

In non-simultaneous deals, a team can trade away a single player without immediately taking salary back in return. The team then has up to one year in which it can acquire multiple players whose salaries amount to no more than the traded player's salary (plus $100K).

You are right but wrong in this scenario.

 

[Natebishop3]

We can trade them Matthews for Howard, with our cap space. We can not trade Matthews to someone with cap space for nothing, and then use the TPE created along with Batum to trade for Howard.

This is right. We have the cap space, so we can trade them Matthews, Batum and absorb whatever is left over. We can't send them a trade exception in the deal is where this is all getting confusing.

 

[magnifier661]

We can trade them Matthews for Howard, with our cap space. We can not trade Matthews to someone with cap space for nothing, and then use the TPE created along with Batum to trade for Howard.

Yes in your scenario, Matthews makes around 7.8 million. We have the cap space to absorb 12.2 million for the 20 mil contract for Howard. If that scenario takes place; then Lakers get Matthews and a 12.2 million TE.

Now Lakers could use that TE for 1 player. They can't combine that exemption with a player to get a 20 mil per player.

 

[Denny Crane]

We can trade them Matthews for Howard, with our cap space. We can not trade Matthews to someone with cap space for nothing, and then use the TPE created along with Batum to trade for Howard.

That's right, but there's no traded player exception involved.

It works for the Blazers because they're under the cap after the trade, or are with the 150% + $100,000 rule. It works for LA because there's no lower limit on the 150% + $100K rule

 

[Denny Crane]

This is right. We have the cap space, so we can trade them Matthews, Batum and absorb whatever is left over. We can't send them a trade exception in the deal is where this is all getting confusing.

Exactly.

 

[magnifier661]

That's right, but there's no traded player exception involved.

It works for the Blazers because they're under the cap after the trade, or are with the 150% + $100,000 rule. It works for LA because there's no lower limit on the 150% + $100K rule

Who said there is a TE involved?

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes in your scenario, Matthews makes around 7.8 million. We have the cap space to absorb 12.2 million for the 20 mil contract for Howard. If that scenario takes place; then Lakers get Matthews and a 12.2 million TE.

Now Lakers could use that TE for 1 player. They can't combine that exemption with a player to get a 20 mil per player.

No, there wouldn't be a TE. We would just absorb the extra money because we have the cap space.