Liberalism " set back a full generation" Krauthammer

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The "amendments" were

l. The measure is hereby cancelled.
ll. Each amendment is coordinated with other amendments to destroy this thing piecemeal.
lll. Give us an inch and we'll take a mile.
 
Other than fake amendment bombs, there was nothing left to compromise. Obama had let Republicans completely craft the bill. It was modeled on Romneycare, then passed around to Republicans for months so they could push it further toward extreme corporate profits. Finally, with liberals and according to all polls, the majority of Americans, exasperated over how far right the measure was, it was submitted and Republican leadership hammered Republican near-votes (e.g. Maine senators) to not leave the party's Nazi-like conformity.

Only then were the fake amendments you like to spin concocted to create the right-wing blog myth of Democrats not running a democratic process.
 
This Obama care bill is a complete misnomer. It has very little to do with healthcare, mostly inappropriate changes mandated on insurance. Calling it Healthcare got it to squeak by as Constitutional as promoting "general Welfare" as noted in the preamble of the Constitution.

However, article one sections 8 and 9 do not list insurance as the business of Congress so this bill should have required a Constitutional amendment to get it even started. Meeting the requirements of a Constitutional amendment would have prevented this fiasco forced on the majority of unwilling citizens. A super majority requirement has a way of eliminating the bad from the good right up front.

This bill primarily requires all people to buy insurance to cover them for many things that many do not want or need covered, nor in many cases do they even put themselves at risk to encounter. Two of many example most egregious to many are birth control and covering AIDs. Many people do not want to be covered for birth control because they can't become pregnant, don't mind if the do, look forward to the possibly, or are not at risk. AIDs is another that many people do not want to insure, because they do not put themselves at risk.

There are more but I am sure you get the picture, these things are personal decissions and life style choices that the Federal government has no business entering into and the Constitution should have protected them from this intrusion. Of course Obama lied about "if you like it you can keep it"! He knew full well that health insurance that did not cover some things would have to be terminated and that all people would have to be force to buy coverages in order to insure any against the risks he wanted covered.

Auto insurance is required by States as is their choice as specified in the 10th amendment. Health insurance could also be covered as seen fit on a State by State basis and that would be quite acceptable to most people as being within the guide lines of the Constitution.

What we have now is the Federal government specifying what has to be insured by all people in every State. It is like the Feds were running the auto insurance rules. All people have to be insured by the same risk pool rates. without regard to their credit rating, citation record, DUI record, or past collisional record. The drunks and the hell raisers would be happy as hell but the working Joe with no citations or accidents would get the shaft. That wouldn't be much different that forcing you to buy coverage for AID even though you wouldn't be caught dead in a bathhouse, either way you get the shaft.
 
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^^^ a coherent post? Someone stole MarAzul's account?
 
Did anyone here have "junk insurance" that was canceled?

I thought mine was pretty good, zero deductible, zero co-pay, no life time limit.
I can't buy anything like that now, at any price. So what is this stuff about substandard insurance?? I do have to admit though,the insurance I had didn't cover contraception stuff.
 
MarAzul said:
Did anyone here have "junk insurance" that was canceled?

I thought mine was pretty good, zero deductible, zero co-pay, no life time limit.
I can't buy anything like that now, at any price. So what is this stuff about substandard insurance?? I do have to admit though,the insurance I had didn't cover contraception stuff.
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I have coverage for my whole body, never heard of just insuring your junk. I guess if you were in porn?

barfo
 
barfo said:
I have coverage for my whole body, never heard of just insuring your junk. I guess if you were in porn?

barfo
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Or maybe guys get their insurance cancelled because their policy doesn't cover mammograms.
 
barfo said:
I have coverage for my whole body, never heard of just insuring your junk. I guess if you were in porn?

barfo
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Near as I can tell from your posts, the whole or just the junk is the same in your case.
 
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BlazerWookee said:
Group one believes, "The government is monitoring our electronic communications! That's an invasion of privacy!"

Group two believes, "Let's put all our personal and health care information into a giant database run by a government bureaucracy, they guarantee they won't invade our privacy!"

The size of the Venn Diagram overlap between these two groups is mind-boggling.
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Well-said. The contradictions are staggering . . . and so is liberalism right now. This healthcare fiasco is a classic example of the incompetence and inefficiency of big government, and more proof of why it should stay out of our lives.
 
What was that lie Romney told about the factory? I forgot...

http://www.bing.com/search?q=romney+factory&go=&qs=bs&form=QBLH

Oh yeah. Sorting that link through all his other lies about factories, this was the factory whose closing he blamed on Obama in his many speeches. It had already closed under Bush.

Man, Romney has a lot of bad factory articles.
 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323372504578468582435347210

What was it Romney said about GM and China?

Go bing it.

The Japanese ship cars built in Japan here to sell. Too bad GM can't build cars here and sell them overseas.

japanese-automobiles-ready-for-export.jpg
 
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Ah, the poll that only comes out when it shows low approval ratings. Been a long time since we seen ya in these parts, poll!

barfo
 
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barfo said:
Ah, the poll that only comes out when it shows low approval ratings. Been a long time since we seen ya in these parts, poll!

barfo
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History of steady decline. Not only when they show low approval ratings. They've been low for the past few years.
 
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Denny Crane said:
History of steady decline. Not only when they show low approval ratings. They've been low for the past few years.
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No, that poll is published every day. You post it here only on days you like the result.

barfo
 
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barfo said:
No, that poll is published every day. You post it here only on days you like the result.

barfo
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I like the result every day.

Maybe the sinking of Obama's popularity coincides with the disaster known as liberal policies?
 
Well it seems to be working as planned. The ACA is so bad and is going to cause so many people to lose their healthcare coverage that there probably is no way to reverse course.

When the employer mandate kicks in and they start dropping more people because the insurance they offer people do not meet the Obama super standards, the shit will hit the fan. I mean no way is Notre Dame going to offer birth control coverage in their healthcare package. Self insured employers will not be pushed to cover more afflictions when they already will welcome an escape
route, to cease being responsible for the healthcare, of large populations of employees, dependents and retirees.

Obama and the Democrats will have succeeded in destroying the healthcare coverage system in place for the majority of the population in the United States at the time of his election.

There will be way more people uninsured as a result, than were uninsured before his election.
No way back, corporate America will not return once they have been guided through portal to free their employees. What will we see emerge as the savior of the people? What plan will he bring? Will it be Barrack Obama with the saving Plan?

A better question yet, will the Republicans help institute this wonderful new plan in order to help their constituents and thereby save their own asses?
 
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They're going to release the figures next week for how many people signed up for ObamaCare. How long does it take to count to 12?
 
Denny Crane said:
They're going to release the figures next week for how many people signed up for ObamaCare. How long does it take to count to 12?
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Rand Paul says:

Rand Paul said:
The word "twelve" is the largest number with a single-morpheme name in English. Etymology suggests that "twelve" (similar to "eleven") arises from the Germanic compound twalif "two-leftover", so a literal translation would yield "two remaining [after having ten taken]".[1] This compound meaning may have been transparent to speakers of Old English, but the modern form "twelve" is quite opaque. Only the remaining tw- hints that twelve and two are related.

A group of twelve things is called a duodecad. The ordinal adjective is duodecimal, twelfth. The adjective referring to a group consisting of twelve things is duodecuple.

The number twelve is often used as a sales unit in trade, and is often referred to as a dozen. Twelve dozen are known as a gross. (Note that there are thirteen items in a baker's dozen.)

As shown below, the number twelve is frequently cited in the Abrahamic religions and is also central to the Western calendar and units of time.
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barfo said:
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Thirteen has it's own bag and Obama is 13 for me and he is now in sole possession of 13th place but don't think that will hold him above 43rd when the final tally is taken. Never knew a man that could bumble along, claiming earnestly not to know about any shit and look so pleased to be standing right in it.
 
Polls didn't stop Bush's wars, and they won't stop ACA. It's the law of the land. Love it or leave it. If you don't like it, move to Singapore. We red-blooded Americans will bathe in our abundance of freedom while you yellow-bellied sapsuckers run from our colors.
 
jlprk said:
Polls didn't stop Bush's wars, and they won't stop ACA. It's the law of the land. Love it or leave it. If you don't like it, move to Singapore. We red-blooded Americans will bathe in our abundance of freedom while you yellow-bellied sapsuckers run from our colors.
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ah I don't think I will be leaving. But I do look forward to the last call to duty to take care of some dumb asses.
 
Are you at risk for AIDs? Well it doesn't matter now, you will pay for the risk in any case the next time you buy insurance

Do you need Trans-gender reassignment surgery or expect to need it in the future?

Not to worry about answering difficult questions. You will be cover for a price whether you need it or not, err unless you just don't cover any risk.

No need to listen to those pesky religious life style lessons, Obama has you covered.
Nancy helped too, she was on a mission for God to get you all this help.

But Dang something is amiss here. Jesus said , "Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

Sound advice it is too, but then what is Caesar doing on the wrong side of the court doing good work and costing us money for risks where life style can take care of the risk?

Perhaps we need to make sure Caesar takes his guidance from the right book like the Constitution. There is no business of Caesar in Article 1 section 8 about insurance risk and god talk is directly prohibited.

It made me cringe when GW Bush talked about doing God's work, I don't like it when Nancy does it, and Barrack sure doesn't need to cover me for risks that Jesus has taught me to avoid.

Perhaps Barrack and Nancy need to read again the role they have in the Constitution and leave the good work, God talk and bible lessons to you and me. Things really work quite well that way.
 
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Maybe when the assertions liberals make turn out to be false, time after time, people will wake up. I think that's already in progress, though.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-jobs-market-seen-taking-hit-government-shutdown-060557886--business.html

The department said there had been no "discernible" impact on the payroll figures from the 16-day shutdown, adding that it had received an above-average response rate in its survey of employers.

"This was a resoundingly strong report, particularly in the context of the government shutdown which was supposed to wreak havoc on this number," said Tom Porcelli, chief U.S. economist at RBC Capital Markets in New York.
 
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