Liberals turning on Obama

[huevonkiller]

Which of those countries have ever been bankrupt?
barfo

All of them if they follow you.

I've got a killer instinct in me barfo, nothing personal I'm just too in the zone right now. :]

 

[barfo]

Why is it a dumb metric? Because it destroys your virtual reality world where the government has been investing intelligently and not stealing from the private sector?

No, that's not why. The tax rate as a fraction of GDP doesn't say anything at all about whether the government has or has not been investing intelligently.

I explained why it is a dumb metric. 50 years of US history does not prove that something different can't happen in the future, especially when that something different is currently happening in other countries.

marginal tax rate equals delta t over delta I and the rich get taxed plenty throughout history.

Oh, but you forgot pink unicorns divided by melba toast means the gold standard needs to be reinstated.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Who gives a shit what the title of the thread is? My post addressed a particular issue that other posters had mentioned in the thread. Therefore it was on topic. If you didn't want to talk about tax rates in this thread, you shouldn't have done so.

barfo

You're the one not posting about Obama in a thread about Obama and saying you're not posting about Obama.

It's understandably confusing.

 

[barfo]

I've got a killer instinct in me barfo, nothing personal I'm just too in the zone right now. :]

Is that what the kids call it these days? "In the zone"? Back in my day we called it "getting wasted".

barfo

 

[barfo]

You're the one not posting about Obama in a thread about Obama and saying you're not posting about Obama.

It's understandably confusing.

You must be easily confused. Here's my post. What part of it did you think referred to Obama?

I'm afraid it's utter nonsense to claim that tax revenues can never go above 20% of GDP. Hauser's Law is an observation about what happened in the relatively recent past, not a limitation on what can happen in the future.

Tax relative to GDP is 30% in Australia, 40% in Austria, 47% in Belgium, 39% in Brazil, 32% in Canada, etc. etc. etc.

You'd have us believe there is some fundamental economic law regarding 20% of GDP that applies to the USA but not to any of those other countries?

No, it's been our policy to keep tax revenue around 20% of GDP. It's not a requirement, it's a choice.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

In any case, since you want to talk about taxing the fuck out of people...

If you want to live in a place where taxes are 63% of GDP, go live in one of those countries you listed. I'm not interested in spoiling the great experiment that the USA has been. Everything you've supported that's been tried since 2006 (House and Senate went Democratic) has made life miserable for people and have failed to come close to meeting their stated objectives.

Time for the academics to step aside and let the adults fix what they broke before it gets even worse.

 

[Denny Crane]

You seem confused. I didn't mention Obama at all.
...
barfo

But you did mention Obama.

 

[huevonkiller]

No, that's not why. The tax rate as a fraction of GDP doesn't say anything at all about whether the government has or has not been investing intelligently.

Why the fuck would you take money out of the private sector and give it to the government for them to invest in, with less expertise?

I explained why it is a dumb metric. 50 years of US history does not prove that something different can't happen in the future, especially when that something different is currently happening in other countries.

Wtf is your plan, I'm really excited......

I can't wait to hear this.

Oh, but you forgot pink unicorns divided by melba toast means the gold standard needs to be reinstated.

barfo

Haha you got confused by that? It is tax brackets.

 

[blazerboy30]

No, that's not why. The tax rate as a fraction of GDP doesn't say anything at all about whether the government has or has not been investing intelligently.

I explained why it is a dumb metric. 50 years of US history does not prove that something different can't happen in the future, especially when that something different is currently happening in other countries.



Oh, but you forgot pink unicorns divided by melba toast means the gold standard needs to be reinstated.

barfo

Ah. Now it is clear why you keep pushing for communist policies even though they have failed horrendously throughout history. You ignore past events and keep hoping that just maybe... just maybe this time the failed policies will work. Forget all of history, just try them this one last time.

It all makes sense now.

 

[huevonkiller]

Is that what the kids call it these days? "In the zone"? Back in my day we called it "getting wasted".

barfo

Greece nigguh.

Canada gave you a facial already, stop.

 

[huevonkiller]

Ah. Now it is clear why you keep pushing for communist policies even though they have failed horrendously throughout history. You ignore past events and keep hoping that just maybe... just maybe this time the failed policies will work. Forget all of history, just try them this one last time.

It all makes sense now.

Yeah that sounds exactly like the problem.

What got us here were the barfoists in congress that think they know more than the real experts.

Let the private sector do them, you do you barfo.

 

[Denny Crane]

The $800B (push on the door!) stimulus didn't work, we should have (pushed on the door) spent more.

You know, it's true of just about every progressive, socialist, or communist program foisted on us.

 

[huevonkiller]

Marxism will work if we just find the right country.

 

[barfo]

In any case, since you want to talk about taxing the fuck out of people...

If you want to live in a place where taxes are 63% of GDP, go live in one of those countries you listed. I'm not interested in spoiling the great experiment that the USA has been. Everything you've supported that's been tried since 2006 (House and Senate went Democratic) has made life miserable for people and have failed to come close to meeting their stated objectives.

Time for the academics to step aside and let the adults fix what they broke before it gets even worse.

Sure are a lot of reading comprehension problems today. I don't believe I expressed any desire to live in a place where taxes were 63% of GDP, but thanks for letting me know that I can leave if I don't like it here. Hey, guess what, same goes for you.

In fact, you are the one expressing displeasure with the American system, not me. I like things fine as they are. I'm not any of the people here running around screaming "the sky is falling!"

As for "academics", it would be hard to find a party with fewer roots in practicality than the Libertarian party.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Ah. Now it is clear why you keep pushing for communist policies even though they have failed horrendously throughout history. You ignore past events and keep hoping that just maybe... just maybe this time the failed policies will work. Forget all of history, just try them this one last time.

It all makes sense now.

Ah, the boy who cried "strawman"...

I keep pushing for communist policies? Do tell. That sounds to me like one of them whaddaycallits. Strawman?

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

Sure are a lot of reading comprehension problems today. I don't believe I expressed any desire to live in a place where taxes were 63% of GDP, but thanks for letting me know that I can leave if I don't like it here. Hey, guess what, same goes for you.

In fact, you are the one expressing displeasure with the American system, not me. I like things fine as they are. I'm not any of the people here running around screaming "the sky is falling!"

As for "academics", it would be hard to find a party with fewer roots in practicality than the Libertarian party.

barfo

Your party has failed the world though, thanks for nothing.

 

[Denny Crane]

"I like things the way that they are." -- barfo

"Let them eat cake." -- Marie Antoinette

 

[huevonkiller]

Ah, the boy who cried "strawman"...

I keep pushing for communist policies? Do tell. That sounds to me like one of them whaddaycallits. Strawman?

barfo

It sounds like you're running on.... Hope. And Change.

Nice.

 

[barfo]

Let the private sector do them, you do you barfo.

You do you barfo, you put your left foot in,
you do you barfo, you put your other left foot in,
you let the private sector do them, you take her hand,
that's how you do the barfo twist

barfo

 

[barfo]

Your party has failed the world though, thanks for nothing.

Hey, if you don't like this world, you are free to go find another.

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

Hey, if you don't like this world, you are free to go find another.

barfo

Yeah I will, in 2012 this will be a different world.

 

[barfo]

"I like things the way that they are." -- barfo

"Let them eat cake." -- Marie Antoinette

Hey, let's not have any "class warfare". You bring up the French revolution, and yet you say

I'm not interested in spoiling the great experiment that the USA has been.

Which is it? Is it time for a revolution, or conservatism? I don't think it's possible to be a conservative revolutionary.

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

Liberal means libertarian according to international relations.....

It would be a "Liberal" revolution.

 

[Denny Crane]

Hey, let's not have any "class warfare". You bring up the French revolution, and yet you say



Which is it? Is it time for a revolution, or conservatism? I don't think it's possible to be a conservative revolutionary.

barfo

I quoted you saying you liked things the way they are. Marie Antoinette liked things as they were, too.

One similarity is that while you (and she) were happy enough, the rest of the people less fortunate don't agree.

Another similarity is how easy you ignore the plight of the people.

 

[Shooter]

Obama's not doing anything differently from a Republican president, yet I'm having to hold back because I'm a Democrat.

Why hold back? If you love this country, and you are pissed off at what Obama's doing, you should say so.

Just so you know, however, Obama is quite different from Republican Presidents. No Republican president EVER increased our deficit in one fell swoop the way Obama has. And no Republican president ever tried to pass an unconstitutional health care bill that itself could bankrupt this nation. Republican presidents do not bow to foreign leaders, or badmouth this country around the world, and most of them were either governors, or mayors, or ran a business of some kind before they entered politics.

Obama never ran anything. His greatest accomplishment before seeking the presidency was being a "community organizer" in Chicago, and no one even knows what that is. He's basically a theorist with almost no practical experience making anything work or run efficiently. No wonder he's been a disaster as a president.

 

[Denny Crane]

Which is it? Is it time for a revolution, or conservatism? I don't think it's possible to be a conservative revolutionary.

barfo

It's Ron Paul time! It doesn't take even a whole 4 year term for the people to tire of progressive failures. By the end of 8 years, the people tire of republicans' reckless spending.

Time to see what's behind door #3.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61315.html

Michele Bachmann wins, Ron Paul a close second at Iowa straw poll

Michele Bachmann has been named the winner of the Iowa straw poll, taking 4,823 votes out of nearly 17,000 cast. Ron Paul was a close runner-up, taking 4,671 votes and trailing Bachmann by less than 200 ballots. In a distant third place was former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who took 2,293 votes after investing heavily in the event.

 

[barfo]

It's Ron Paul time! It doesn't take even a whole 4 year term for the people to tire of progressive failures. By the end of 8 years, the people tire of republicans' reckless spending.

Time to see what's behind door #3.

Michele Bachmann wins, Ron Paul a close second at Iowa straw poll

Michele Bachmann has been named the winner of the Iowa straw poll, taking 4,823 votes out of nearly 17,000 cast. Ron Paul was a close runner-up, taking 4,671 votes and trailing Bachmann by less than 200 ballots. In a distant third place was former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who took 2,293 votes after investing heavily in the event.

Sounds like it might be Michele Bachmann time, if you want to invest yourself in the Iowa straw poll results.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Sounds like it might be Michele Bachmann time, if you want to invest yourself in the Iowa straw poll results.

barfo

It must have been a couple of years ago when Paul wasn't coming within 150 votes of winning something like this. Momentum is in our favor!

As far as Bachmann goes... She's got a little more experience as Obama did when he was elected, but I doubt she'd do so many aggressive and harmful things to the economy.

 

[barfo]

It must have been a couple of years ago when Paul wasn't coming within 150 votes of winning something like this. Momentum is in our favor!

Yes, no doubt. Happy 76th birthday to Ron Paul next week.

As far as Bachmann goes... She's got a little more experience as Obama did when he was elected

Not really. At the time of the election, they both had/will have 12 years of service. For Obama, 8 years in state senate, 4 years in US Senate. For Bachmann, 6 years in State senate, 6 years in US House. Bachmann's extra 2 years in federal gov. trumps Obama's extra 2 years in state senate, but being a US senator trumps being a member of the House.

, but I doubt she'd do so many aggressive and harmful things to the economy.

Yes, certainly failing to raise the debt ceiling could not possibly be considered aggressive and harmful.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

15% of $1 isn't much, but 15% of $14T is a whole lot of money. 15% is how much more debt the govt. needs under Obama and Democrats to run the govt. in the red for two years. About 1/2 what Bush needed for 8.

The spending at massive deficits is what's aggressive and harmful.

Years of executive experience: ZERO for both.

Elected and serving is one thing, elected and then immediately running for next highest office while not even showing up for conferences or votes is another.