Lillard expected to sign a 4 year Super-Max extension in Portland

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handiman said:
To both of the above replies... Your missing the point. It's not about personnel, it's about Dame not knowing how to handle the trap. Sure, better teammates will alleviate that, but he's still going to be susceptible to it in crunch time. After five years, you'd think he wouldn't still be alarmingly bad at it... How many above average players want to go to a team that: a) is in a city they don't care for, b) has no money to spend on them, and c) is led by a player who disappears in the playoffs?
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Huh? If Portland had a player that was capable of exposing teams that trapped Dame then any team that trapped Dame would get destroyed. We'd actually want teams to continue doing so.
 
hoopsjock said:
C'mon man, there's a difference between exiting your prime and not getting better.
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Most people peg a player's prime at age 28. Contract kicks in when Lillard turns 31? However you wanna phrase it, Lillard will be past his peak and on the downside of his career trajectory.
 
blue9 said:
So he's going to get better as he enters his 30s? Wow - 2023 championship here we come!
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He’s gotten better every year because he works so hard each offseason. I’d expect him to reach his peak over the next couple of years, plateau for a couple and then begin a gradual decline.

Chris Paul, IMO, began to show his age this season at the age of 34. He has had far more injury problems than Dame so I’d think Lillard can be expected to still be very good at 35 or 36.
 
handiman said:
To both of the above replies... Your missing the point. It's not about personnel, it's about Dame not knowing how to handle the trap. Sure, better teammates will alleviate that, but he's still going to be susceptible to it in crunch time. After five years, you'd think he wouldn't still be alarmingly bad at it... How many above average players want to go to a team that: a) is in a city they don't care for, b) has no money to spend on them, and c) is led by a player who disappears in the playoffs?
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It has nothing to do with Lillard not knowing how to handle a trap.
Lillard said it perfectly in case you missed it.

He gets around Thompson, gets around the trap from Looney.
Only to have Green playing free safety in the paint.

That has nothing to do with Lillard having a weakness to being trapped.
That has to do with teams saying. Hey Aminu, hey Harkless. Score 50 please, because we don't think you can do it.
I don't care who you are. If there are three & sometimes four defenders putting that much effort on stopping you. Then when you make the pass teammates have to make the defense pay.

Meyers Leonard in games 3 & 4 didn't create his own shot. He had a 'breakout series' because teams were saying. 'Hey we know you can shoot, but we know if this guy gets going he'll beat us. Prove you can beat us.'
 
I don't know if this has been pointed out somewhere in this thread, and I'm too lazy to search, but Dame would actually be leaving money on the table and doing the Blazers a favor by signing the four-year supermax extension this summer:

If the Blazers offer -- and all signs point toward them doing so, though there would be deal points to negotiate -- Lillard will be able to add four years and about $191 million to his contact starting July 1. That would put him under contract for the next six seasons for a total of $221 million, a deal that will likely finish out his prime.

However, Lillard has the option of waiting a season because he will now be eligible to sign a supermax in the summer of 2020 as well. At that time, he'd be in position to add five years and $247 million to his deal to create a six-year, $277 million deal that would project to be the richest in NBA history.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ady-make-biggest-commitment-franchise-history

Steph Curry put the Warriors in the position of signing him to the longer supermax deal. He was 29 at the time. More money (adjusted for inflation) and more years commitment on glass ankles.
 
H.C. said:
Meyers Leonard in games 3 & 4 didn't create his own shot. He had a 'breakout series' because teams were saying. 'Hey we know you can shoot, but we know if this guy gets going he'll beat us. Prove you can beat us.'
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And then Meyers went out and proved he could play Steph Curry to a draw, only to have his coach forget about him during halftime.
 
blue9 said:
And then Meyers went out and proved he could play Steph Curry to a draw, only to have his coach forget about him during halftime.
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let's see now....over 7 years and 420 games, Meyers has hit the 30 point plateau once. Curry hit that mark 34 times this season alone. But in your mind Meyers "proved" he could play Curry to a draw?
 
All NBA teams announced. Dame 2nd team.

When is the press conference about his supermax?
 
hoopsjock said:
Wow, Dame wasn't even close to 1st Team. That's kind of surprising.
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Why? The only argument in Dame's favor over Curry is number of games played, and Curry did still play over 80% of the season. I think Steph 1st team and Dame 2nd was a no-brainer.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Why? The only argument in Dame's favor over Curry is number of games played, and Curry did still play over 80% of the season. I think Steph 1st team and Dame 2nd was a no-brainer.
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Dame was 1st team last year, was the game played significantly different?
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Dame was 1st team last year, was the game played significantly different?
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Last year Steph missed nearly 40% of the season. Completely reasonable for him to be dropped down a peg after missing 31 games.

If he'd played 70 games last year, he'd have been first team ahead of Dame then as well.
 
Interesting note: as I understand it, only 4 players have received a super max so far. Those are Curry, Harden, Westbrook, and Wall.

The Wall deal is a 20 megaton shitstorm. Is Westbrook worth it? I would say no. Harden? Debatable. Curry? A question because of health concerns.

The more I think about, the more skeptical I am about the whole business. Dame is the team MVP and popular with the fans - but he is hardly some Michael Jordan type generational talent. OTOH, can a team that shoveled money down the sewer to pay Hark, Crabbe, Leonard, and Turner not overpay their best player as well? What a fustercluck!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Why? The only argument in Dame's favor over Curry is number of games played, and Curry did still play over 80% of the season. I think Steph 1st team and Dame 2nd was a no-brainer.
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I think there is a case to be made that Dame had a better regular season when you consider the talent level discrepancy and how that only led to 4 fewer wins. The season GS had in only winning 57 games I thought might lead to some voter fatigue for those guys. I know All-NBA is different than MVP but if it's about stats why wouldn't Westbrook be a lock over both of them?

I think getting swept by the Pelicans cost Dame votes because those that did vote him 1st Team last year got blasted on social media. Dame probably will have the opposite effect next year since we made it so far.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Interesting note: as I understand it, only 4 players have received a super max so far. Those are Curry, Harden, Westbrook, and Wall.

The Wall deal is a 20 megaton shitstorm. Is Westbrook worth it? I would say no. Harden? Debatable. Curry? A question because of health concerns.

The more I think about, the more skeptical I am about the whole business. Dame is the team MVP and popular with the fans - but he is hardly some Michael Jordan type generational talent. OTOH, can a team that shoveled money down the sewer to pay Hark, Crabbe, Leonard, and Turner not overpay their best player as well? What a fustercluck!
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I think the rule is bad... They should do something like when a player is eligible for the supermax they can negotiate any contract they want with that team, but the MAX that it counts against the cap is 25% of the cap. A.) There are some superstars that are worth far more to their franchises then what the supermax pays them. B.) Doesn't kill a franchise's ability to build a team.

Edit: A team can only have one "Supermax" on their roster. So they can not trade for a 2nd.
 
hoopsjock said:
I think there is a case to be made that Dame had a better regular season when you consider the talent level discrepancy and how that only led to 4 fewer wins. The season GS had in only winning 57 games I thought might lead to some voter fatigue for those guys.
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GSW was also 5-8 in the games Curry missed, 52-17 when he played. Blazers won both games Lillard didn't play. So Curry played in more wins than Lillard while playing in 11 fewer games. I'm sorry, but in no way did Dame have a better regular season.

hoopsjock said:
I know All-NBA is different than MVP but if it's about stats why wouldn't Westbrook be a lock over both of them?
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Westbrook is far behind both in PER, TS%, WS, WS/48--the advanced stats show Westbrook isn't in the same tier.
 
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oldmangrouch said:
Interesting note: as I understand it, only 4 players have received a super max so far. Those are Curry, Harden, Westbrook, and Wall.

The Wall deal is a 20 megaton shitstorm. Is Westbrook worth it? I would say no. Harden? Debatable. Curry? A question because of health concerns.

The more I think about, the more skeptical I am about the whole business. Dame is the team MVP and popular with the fans - but he is hardly some Michael Jordan type generational talent. OTOH, can a team that shoveled money down the sewer to pay Hark, Crabbe, Leonard, and Turner not overpay their best player as well? What a fustercluck!
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At least win a league MVP or a championship before you get the supermax... or both
 
hoopsjock said:
I think there is a case to be made that Dame had a better regular season when you consider the talent level discrepancy and how that only led to 4 fewer wins. The season GS had in only winning 57 games I thought might lead to some voter fatigue for those guys. I know All-NBA is different than MVP but if it's about stats why wouldn't Westbrook be a lock over both of them?
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And that is probably where the 8 1st team votes came from. It is an interesting argument, and I expect it to heat up as Dame continues through his prime, and Curry starts to feel the miles.
 
We should sign Miracle Max to go with Super Max.

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PtldPlatypus said:
GSW was also 5-8 in the games Curry missed, 52-17 when he played. Blazers won both games Lillard didn't play. So Curry played in more wins than Lillard while playing in 11 fewer games. I'm sorry, but in no way did Dame have a better regular season.
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I have no problem with Curry being 1st team but when you look at their numbers they're pretty similar. It's an easier game when you play alongside 4 to 2 other all-stars all year long. You don't have to do the heavy lifting each night and defenses can't focus on you nearly as much if you've got Klay and Durant on either side. Green is practically their point guard as Dame pointed out after game 4. Curry is an amazing shooter but I believe that over the course of the season more of his shots were uncontested when compared to Lillard. At the very least he didn't have to work nearly as hard to get them.

The two games Lillard didn't play in were a home game against Atlanta and the last game of the year when we rested everyone, but something tells me you already knew that.
 
Harden and Curry got first team...Dame got second team...no shame it that. What I like is Westbrook only got 3rd team and Chris Paul didn't get the nostalgia vote in the west.....made me smile. Lebron only made 3rd team.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
GSW was also 5-8 in the games Curry missed, 52-17 when he played. Blazers won both games Lillard didn't play. So Curry played in more wins than Lillard while playing in 11 fewer games. I'm sorry, but in no way did Dame have a better regular season.
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When Cousins was playing the Warriors entire starting 5 was completely All-NBA performers. Even when he wasn't 4 out of 5 is still crazy.

I don't think Dame has a single player on his roster that even has one 3rd team vote in their entire career.
 
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