Lillard expected to sign a 4 year Super-Max extension in Portland

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Orion Bailey said:
Ohh gotcha. Okay. Yeah, I guess offer it to him now then.... I just hope Dame understands how much it will contribute to hamstringing the team from improving the talent level of the roster around him.
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is the team "hamstring-ed" now because of Dame's contract???

because currently he's at a little over 28% of the cap. His 191M supermax will put him at around 32-34% of the cap. The difference between the max and the supermax runs from about the tax-MLE to somewhere less than the full-MLE. That's not some insurmountable financial burden like some of you are panicking about

what hamstrings a team are players on contracts like Turner, Crabbe, and Meyers. Avoid those type of deals and the team will be fine

I'm a lot more worried about Olshey giving CJ a max deal than I am about Dame getting the super-max. Dame would be making a shade less than 48M/year. CJ could be making 40M/year
 
Orion Bailey said:
If it doesnt start for two years, Why offer it now? What if, God forbid, he has a career ending injury?

Its like paying taxes early. Why? Why let them earn interest off your money?
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You want to worry the next two years if Dame is going to leave or would you rather have him locked up for 5-6 years knowing he's got a good shot at being a Blazer-for-Life?
 
borim69 said:
I think the supermax contract is a team killer. I understand the concept but the supermax should left out of the cap itself and not count against it. Whatever the max is count that against the cap the rest should be treated like a bonus and left off the cap hit. Otherwise you are still punishing the small market team for having someone great on your team and not able to get him the help he needs.
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That actually is a great idea.
 
So does it matter WHEN he signs this? Would it change our cap situation depending on when this happens?
 
The best thing we can do is sign Dame to a supermax.

Let's face it, while Jody Allen seems to be enjoying the team she is not as passionate about it as Paul was. Meaning she is not going to be interested in going into high luxury tax. She is going to want to run the team for profit of at least to break even. A new owner isn't going to care about running the team for profit or break even. New owners love to play with their shiny new toy.

Jody got to enjoy a nice playoff run. Now it's time to sell the team.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The best thing we can do is sign Dame to a supermax.

Let's face it, while Jody Allen seems to be enjoying the team she is not as passionate about it as Paul was. Meaning she is not going to be interested in going into high luxury tax. She is going to want to run the team for profit of at least to break even. A new owner isn't going to care about running the team for profit or break even. New owners love to play with their shiny new toy.

Jody got to enjoy a nice playoff run. Now it's time to sell the team.
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Huh? You don't give a GM a 5 yr contract and extend the coach for 3 yrs two days after the season ends if you plan on selling the team. Any new ownership will want their own guys running the show.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Huh? You don't give a GM a 5 yr contract and extend the coach for 3 yrs two days after the season ends if you plan on selling the team. Any new ownership will want their own guys running the show.
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Sure you do. We see GMs and coaches being fired all the time with years left on their contracts.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Sure you do. We see GMs and coaches being fired all the time with years left on their contracts.
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You're missing my point. If Jody wanted to sell, she obviously wouldn't want to have outstanding contracts to guys who will inevitably be replaced-- it only adds to the cost for the new ownership group thus making the team more unappealing to buy.

If anything, if Jody wanted to sell, she would have made the payroll lean.
 
yuyuza1 said:
You're missing my point. If Jody wanted to sell, she obviously wouldn't want to have outstanding contracts to guys who will inevitably be replaced-- it only adds to the cost for the new ownership group thus making the team more unappealing to buy.

If anything, if Jody wanted to sell, she would have made the payroll lean.
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No. When you're paying a billion plus for a new toy you don't care if the coach and GM are under contracts.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
No. When you're paying a billion plus for a new toy you don't care if the coach and GM are under contracts.
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for sure

how much are the two extensions worth anyway? Probably no more than 15M. That's less than 1 year of Turner's contract. A prospective buyer won't bat an eye at that amount when he's arranging a 1.3B transaction. I mean, $1,281,000,000 is OK but $1,295,000,000 is a deal killer?
 
wizenheimer said:
for sure

how much are the two extensions worth anyway? Probably no more than 15M. That's less than 1 year of Turner's contract. A prospective buyer won't bat an eye at that amount when he's arranging a 1.3B transaction. I mean, $1,281,000,000 is OK but $1,295,000,000 is a deal killer?
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What is the incentive for Jody to give out deals now if she's just gonna sell the team?
 
Here's the thing guys...

When does NO's extension expire? 2024...

When does the lease expire?
 
yuyuza1 said:
What is the incentive for Jody to give out deals now if she's just gonna sell the team?
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to reward guys she thinks are doing a good job?

it's entirely possible she felt that was justified while believing it would have no bearing on a sale
 
yuyuza1 said:
What is the incentive for Jody to give out deals now if she's just gonna sell the team?
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You can't necessarily just sell a team instantly on a whim. Even if she right this instant wants to sell the team, it could be a year or two process. Why wouldn't she want team stability in the meantime, considering there's very little downside? Contracts for Stotts and Olshey aren't going to quash a sale.

And if she hasn't yet decided to sell, she's just considering it, all the more reason if she likes the jobs Stotts and Olshey are doing.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Blazers own the Moda. No lease on that. There is an agreement with the city but like I said above, it no longer means a thing.
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according to what I'm reading right now, the Blazers do not own the Moda Center. The Rose Quarter, including the Moda, and the Blazers (and Seahawks) are all owned by Vulcan Sports & Entertainment. They are different entities

The Blazers are the primary tenant of the Moda Center with a lease that expires in 2025. The Winterhawks are a secondary tenant.

when financing was being lined up for the construction of the Moda and renovation of the Rose Quarter in 1993, Allen signed an exclusive site agreement with the city requiring the Trail Blazers to play all home games in Portland for 30 years. That agreement expires in 2023

At the beginning of next season, the Moda will be the 9th oldest arena in the NBA. So, even with good intentions on the part of JA or a new owner there is the possibility for some friction to develop in the next 4-5 years. That doesn't mean the Blazers will move though

one thing it could mean is that negotiations for selling the team might get hung up because the team doesn't own the arena. I'd imagine VSE would be willing to sell both, but a new owner might not want any long-term commitment to an older arena, especially one he'd have to pay up front for. And I might be talking out of my ass because I've never spent a billion dollars at one time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moda_Center
 
wizenheimer said:
according to what I'm reading right now, the Blazers do not own the Moda Center. The Rose Quarter, including the Moda, and the Blazers (and Seahawks) are all owned by Vulcan Sports & Entertainment. They are different entities

The Blazers are the primary tenant of the Moda Center with a lease that expires in 2025. The Winterhawks are a secondary tenant.

when financing was being lined up for the construction of the Moda and renovation of the Rose Quarter in 1993, Allen signed an exclusive site agreement with the city requiring the Trail Blazers to play all home games in Portland for 30 years. That agreement expires in 2023

At the beginning of next season, the Moda will be the 9th oldest arena in the NBA. So, even with good intentions on the part of JA or a new owner there is the possibility for some friction to develop in the next 4-5 years. That doesn't mean the Blazers will move though

one thing it could mean is that negotiations for selling the team might get hung up because the team doesn't own the arena. I'd imagine VSE would be willing to sell both, but a new owner might not want any long-term commitment to an older arena, especially one he'd have to pay up front for. And I might be talking out of my ass because I've never spent a billion dollars at one time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moda_Center
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Vulcan owns the Blazers.
 
wizenheimer said:
according to what I'm reading right now, the Blazers do not own the Moda Center. The Rose Quarter, including the Moda, and the Blazers (and Seahawks) are all owned by Vulcan Sports & Entertainment. They are different entities

The Blazers are the primary tenant of the Moda Center with a lease that expires in 2025. The Winterhawks are a secondary tenant.

when financing was being lined up for the construction of the Moda and renovation of the Rose Quarter in 1993, Allen signed an exclusive site agreement with the city requiring the Trail Blazers to play all home games in Portland for 30 years. That agreement expires in 2023

At the beginning of next season, the Moda will be the 9th oldest arena in the NBA. So, even with good intentions on the part of JA or a new owner there is the possibility for some friction to develop in the next 4-5 years. That doesn't mean the Blazers will move though

one thing it could mean is that negotiations for selling the team might get hung up because the team doesn't own the arena. I'd imagine VSE would be willing to sell both, but a new owner might not want any long-term commitment to an older arena, especially one he'd have to pay up front for. And I might be talking out of my ass because I've never spent a billion dollars at one time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moda_Center
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A couple of things.

The Moda has had substantial renovations over the years and is excellently maintained. It is not fair to compare it to an almost 30 year old arena.

Blazers and Moda are owned by Vulcan, Jody Allen now owns Vulcan.

The exclusive site agreement really doesn't mean shit anymore. 1. The buyout is $40 million. Which is hardly anything for the amounts of money we're talking about to purchase team and arena. 2. I used to know someone in the mayor's office. The amount of money it would require to defend the site agreement isn't worth it anymore. The city doesn't have on staff the same caliber of attorneys Vulcan/AKA Jody Allen would bring to court and they would have to hire outside representation. The city is not interested in suing and losing. There would be a settlement and it would be for pretty cheap. But that's only if the Blazers wanted to sue to break the site agreement. Which they don't. The team isn't moving and the NBA wouldn't allow it to. The NBA wants to stay and expand back into the NW.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
A couple of things.

The Moda has had substantial renovations over the years and is excellently maintained. It is not fair to compare it to an almost 30 year old arena.

Blazers and Moda are owned by Vulcan, Jody Allen now owns Vulcan.

The exclusive site agreement really doesn't mean shit anymore. 1. The buyout is $40 million. Which is hardly anything for the amounts of money we're talking about to purchase team and arena. 2. I used to know someone in the mayor's office. The amount of money it would require to defend the site agreement isn't worth it anymore. The city doesn't have on staff the same caliber of attorneys Vulcan/AKA Jody Allen would bring to court and they would have to hire outside representation. The city is not interested in suing and losing. There would be a settlement and it would be for pretty cheap. But that's only if the Blazers wanted to sue to break the site agreement. Which they don't. The team isn't moving and the NBA wouldn't allow it to. The NBA wants to stay and expand back into the NW.
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don't get me wrong Sly....I don't believe the Blazers will move. And I noted in my post that VSE owns the Blazers, the Rose Quarter, and the Moda (and Seahawks)

I would also anticipate that the Moda can be fine as an arena for another decade or two. But I do see there could be some friction with the lease and site agreement expiring. That's a few years away and if JA sells the team though

as for Jody Allen owning Vulcan, that's probably true but I don't know what kind of will or trust agreements PA had. I would assume she has majority control but I don't know for sure.
 
wizenheimer said:
don't get me wrong Sly....I don't believe the Blazers will move. And I noted in my post that VSE owns the Blazers, the Rose Quarter, and the Moda (and Seahawks)

I would also anticipate that the Moda can be fine as an arena for another decade or two. But I do see there could be some friction with the lease and site agreement expiring. That's a few years away and if JA sells the team though

as for Jody Allen owning Vulcan, that's probably true but I don't know what kind of will or trust agreements PA had. I would assume she has majority control but I don't know for sure.
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Moda needs a new screen/scoreboard. That thing is tiny compared to the new ones they have in some other arenas.
 
In all fairness to our arena, it is in AMAZING shape and up to date compared to the majority of arenas around the league. There are some DUMPS, regardless of age.
 
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsTheHCP said:
In all fairness to our arena, it is in AMAZING shape and up to date compared to the majority of arenas around the league. There are some DUMPS, regardless of age.
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The biggest reason the Moda is still nice is because they keep all those Blazer broadcast guys in a trailer in the parking lot.
 
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