Lillard sprained left ankle

[Trackjack]

I said that in another thread and target Josh Jackson a SG/SF combo with potential elite defense and above the rim offense with a good outside shot and improving handles. Projects to be the next Kawhi

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/for-those-that-think-we-should-tank.307710/

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Yea Jackson was pretty impressive when I watch him play Kentucky.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The trouble is that we're having the season we were supposed to have last season, and we're only surprised and upset because we were spoiled by last season.

 

[Denny Crane]

Durant hasn't been to the finals a few times, he's been there once.

Through 9 seasons:

Durant: 7 time All Star
Duncan : 8 time All Star (would have been 9, but there was no All Star game in 1998-99 because of the lock out.)

Durant: 1 time league MVP
Duncan: 2 time league MVP

Durant:
Duncan: 3 time finals MVP

Durant: 1st team All NBA 5 times, 2nd team All NBA 1 time
Duncan: 1st team All NBA 8 times, 2nd team All NBA 1 time

Durant:
Duncan: 1st team All Defense 8 times, 2nd team All Defense 1 time

Not saying Durant isn't a great player, just not one of THE all time greats like Duncan.

Duncan would make the Hall of Fame on his defense alone (he's second all time in Defensive Win Shares, trailing only Bill Russell), but he's also 14th on the career scoring list. Durant may some day pass him on the career scoring list, but he'll never be considered on of the greatest defensive players in the history of the game.



No thanks. I already said I think tanking is stoopid. So, why would I want to wait and tank for someone better? Which is doubly irrelevant, since there isn't even a Kevin Durant in the 2017 draft, let alone a Tim Duncan.

BNM

OMG, pass on the guy!

Passing on Durant is what we do when we tank.

 

[Trackjack]

Last year we had some veterans that had leadership that would get some one face if they didn't give a shit about effort. I am not saying Dame not a leader but a different type. You just can't just a bunch young basketball players without older veterans to straight out the young players when they starting to go half ass.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Last year we had some veterans that had leadership that would get some one face if they didn't give a shit about effort. I am not saying Dame not a leader but a different type. You just can't just a bunch young basketball players without older veterans to straight out the young players when they starting to go half ass.

Are you seriously suggesting Gerald Henderson and Chris "Caveman" Kaman were those guys? Nonsense.

 

[Boob-No-More]

OMG, pass on the guy!

Passing on Durant is what we do when we tank.

Strawman much?

Please show me where I ever said anything about passing on Durant. Please show me that. If you can't, then please lay off the passive aggressive strawman bullshit. I expect that from the site trolls, not the site owner.

You said Durant was our Tim Duncan. I disagreed and provided data to support my opinion.

I find it highly ironic that you recently accused me of ignoring half the game when comparing Crabbe to C.J.:

You consistently look at 1/2 the game.

The other 1/2 is defense.

And now you're doing the exact same thing when comparing Durant to Duncan. Duncan is one of the all time great defenders in NBA history. Durant has been in the league 9 seasons and never made any all defense teams or received even a single 3rd place vote for DPOY. Who's ignoring half the game now?

I've said repeatedly that Durant is a great player, just not an all time, 2-way great player like Tim Duncan. I don't think it's an insult to say someone is not as good as a guy who is considered the greatest to ever play his position.

Would I pass on Kevin Durant, sure I would, without hesitation, if the choice was 20-year old Kevin Durant or 20-year old Tim Duncan.

But, since there isn't a Tim Duncan, or even a Kevin Durant, in the 2017 NBA draft, the point is moot.

BNM

 

[Trackjack]

Are you seriously suggesting Gerald Henderson and Chris "Caveman" Kaman were those guys? Nonsense.

It about leadership it not about how they play both guys are gone where are we at now go figure. Lot to do with what happen in the locker room. Kaman might not play much but the bigs look at him for guidance. Last 2 years we lost big man coach and kaman not here this year and now look how's the big play. So don't tell me those 2 veterans didn't give our young guidance. Who we got this year no one don't tell me Dame because he not that type of leader.

 

[Nikolokolus]

It about leadership it not about how they play both guys are gone where are we at now go figure. Lot to do with what happen in the locker room. Kaman might not play much but the bigs look at him for guidance. Last 2 years we lost big man coach and kaman not here this year and now look how's the big play. So don't tell me those 2 veterans didn't give our young guidance. Who we got this year no one don't tell me Dame because he not that type of leader.

Guys that don't play cannot be counted as "leaders." You're vastly overstating the impact these two had on the team at best. Especially since you weren't in the locker room and have no idea if they were vocal or not.

 

[Minstrel]

Guys that don't play cannot be counted as "leaders." You're vastly overstating the impact these two had on the team at best. Especially since you weren't in the locker room and have no idea if they were vocal or not.

I agree. Joe Posnanski (best current sportswriter, in my opinion) recently wrote this:

I still think one of the cool parts of the Cubs championship is that it was Heyward who spoke out and inspired his teammates during the rain delay in Game 7. Baseball players tend to have no tolerance at all for leaders who are not contributing. I remember years ago when the Kansas City Royals got a 37-year-old Terry Pendleton to provide some leadership … I asked Pendleton how he could teach young players.

“Funny thing is, none of them ever asks,” he said.

And he explained: If you ain’t hitting, you ain’t leading.

I'd imagine that's true in sports, in general, not just baseball. It's a type-A personality industry and whether or not it fully makes sense, you need to have sufficient game to have sufficient influence, usually.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'd imagine that's true in sports, in general, not just baseball. It's an type-A personality industry and whether or not it fully makes sense, you need to have sufficient game to have sufficient influence, usually.

This is the first thing that sprang to mind

 

[Denny Crane]

Strawman much?

Please show me where I ever said anything about passing on Durant. Please show me that. If you can't, then please lay off the passive aggressive strawman bullshit. I expect that from the site trolls, not the site owner.

You said Durant was our Tim Duncan. I disagreed and provided data to support my opinion.

I find it highly ironic that you recently accused me of ignoring half the game when comparing Crabbe to C.J.:



And now you're doing the exact same thing when comparing Durant to Duncan. Duncan is one of the all time great defenders in NBA history. Durant has been in the league 9 seasons and never made any all defense teams or received even a single 3rd place vote for DPOY. Who's ignoring half the game now?

I've said repeatedly that Durant is a great player, just not an all time, 2-way great player like Tim Duncan. I don't think it's an insult to say someone is not as good as a guy who is considered the greatest to ever play his position.

Would I pass on Kevin Durant, sure I would, without hesitation, if the choice was 20-year old Kevin Durant or 20-year old Tim Duncan.

But, since there isn't a Tim Duncan, or even a Kevin Durant, in the 2017 NBA draft, the point is moot.

BNM

Durant was our Duncan. He'll be in the HoF.

Duncan wasn't available in any draft to us. So that's the strawman here.

 

[BonesJones]

There is no Tim Duncan in the 2017 draft. Not even close.

Four of the top five projected picks are freshman PGs. Yeah, just what we need to build our dynasty. We already have an undersized back court with two proven 20+ ppg scorers, but hey, let's get smaller and younger Yeah, that'll work.

Tanking is stoopid, and it's for losers.

BNM

Four of the top five? You're wrong there

Fultz - Combo Guard
Jackson - SF (or big SG)
Tatum - SF
Smith - PG
Monk - Combo Guard

So there's two, maybe 3. I don't think Ball will be a good NBA player at all. His shots easy to contest and he lacks the explosion to create separation.

Jackson would be the perfect SG for us. That's the only guy I want.

If we go to the 76ers and offer CJ and Crabbe for their pick (3rd?) and the Lakers (10th?) I think they accept. I'd consider that.

 

[BonesJones]

Four of the top five? You're wrong there

Fultz - Combo Guard
Jackson - SF (or big SG)
Tatum - SF
Smith - PG
Monk - Combo Guard

So there's two, maybe 3. I don't think Ball will be a good NBA player at all. His shots easy to contest and he lacks the explosion to create separation.

Jackson would be the perfect SG for us. That's the only guy I want.

If we go to the 76ers and offer CJ and Crabbe for their pick (3rd?) and the Lakers (10th?) I think they accept. I'd consider that.

I would consider that for this reason.

Would we land Jackson and Anunoby (while hopefully trading for Noel before that), our lineup would be:

Lillard - 6'3 - Age 27
Jackson - 6'8 - Age 20
Harkless - 6'9 - Age 24
Anunoby - 6'8 (7'6 WS?) - Age 20
Noel - 7'0 - Age 23

Jackson and Anunoby are lockdown defenders that can guard 4 positions. Harkless can guard 4 positions as well, and Noel is one of the best switching bigs.

Jackson is a good secondary ball-handler and could be a 20ppg scorer. Anunoby can shoot too. Imagine having Jimmy Butler, DeAndre Jordan, and a less offensively skilled Draymond Green next to Dame, because that's the ceiling for Jackson, Noel, and Anunoby.

 

[riverman]

I don't think Ball will be a good NBA player at all

I watched him play last night at work...his problem ...doesn't look like he'll ever be strong enough to handle the NBA...and he's got Adam Morrison mojo all over him...draft bust..College fans gush over him though but they did over Nolan Smith too..Balls lane driving days would be long gone in the big time

 

[DreamKillah]

Lillard walking with noticeable limp in locker room after the game tonight.

Lol.

Lillard's ankle x-rays were negative, thank God!

 

[Blazinaway]

Lillard's ankle x-rays were negative, thank God!

Thanks for posting that and Happy Holidays!

 

[Denny Crane]

Great news!

Merry Christmas, Dame.

 

[KingSpeed]

That's a measure of coach, system, and teammates.

We whiffed on the guy who won MVP, appeared in the finals a few times, 7 time all star, league leading scorer a few times, and led the league in playoff scoring a few times.

If you want to wait for someone better to tank for, good luck.

Since when did Durant "appear in the finals a few times"? He's been there once and lost in 5 games despite having Westbrook and Harden at his side.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Noel - 7'0 - Age 24

Noel is 22, he won't even turn 23 until next April 10, two days before the end of the regular season.

BNM

 

[Chris Craig]

Lillard's ankle x-rays were negative, thank God!

I was wondering. Saw the replay, it looked bad.

 

[BonesJones]

Noel is 22, he won't even turn 23 until next April 10, two days before the end of the regular season.

BNM

Yup it was a typo. What do you think about that lineup going forward? We'd also have our pick as well.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yup it was a typo. What do you think about that lineup going forward? We'd also have our pick as well.

I honestly don't follow college basketball enough to have a sense how those young guys would translate to the NBA.

I do have a problem, in general, with going too young. Young players take a while to figure out how to win at the NBA level. If you throw too many of them out there at once, even if they are very talented individually, they struggle to win (like MIN - three 20 PPG scorers and a 9-19 record).

I get that they'd have Dame as their leader, but I'd be leery of starting two 20-year olds next to Harkless and Noel. I love Noel's defense and he's my number 1 realistic trade target, but he's not a leader, he needs to be led. Same with Mo. I love his improvement, but this is his first season as a full time starter and he's a pretty quiet guy. Not some wily vet that can show the 20-year olds the ropes.

I mentioned in another thread that my personal, somewhat realistic, somewhat wet, dream is to get Noel, Bogut and Ibaka without giving up C.J. That would improve our defense 100 fold without killing our offense. That gives us a 3-man front court rotation with one 22-year old defensive stud, one 27-year old stretch 4 who shoots .442 3FG and is also an elite rim protector and one 32-year old wily vet who is also a great space eating defender who can pass and sets the most effective (moving - cough, cough) screens in the league.

BNM

 

[ChadWick]

I was wandering. Saw the replay, it looked bad.

Were you lost?

 

[BonesJones]

I honestly don't follow college basketball enough to have a sense how those young guys would translate to the NBA.

I do have a problem, in general, with going too young. Young players take a while to figure out how to win at the NBA level. If you throw too many of them out there at once, even if they are very talented individually, they struggle to win (like MIN - three 20 PPG scorers and a 9-19 record).

I get that they'd have Dame as their leader, but I'd be leery of starting two 20-year olds next to Harkless and Noel. I love Noel's defense and he's my number 1 realistic trade target, but he's not a leader, he needs to be led. Same with Mo. I love his improvement, but this is his first season as a full time starter and he's a pretty quiet guy. Not some wily vet that can show the 20-year olds the ropes.

I mentioned in another thread that my personal, somewhat realistic, somewhat wet, dream is to get Noel, Bogut and Ibaka without giving up C.J. That would improve our defense 100 fold without killing our offense. That gives us a 3-man front court rotation with one 22-year old defensive stud, one 27-year old stretch 4 who shoots .442 3FG and is also an elite rim protector and one 32-year old wily vet who is also a great space eating defender who can pass and sets the most effective (moving - cough, cough) screens in the league.

BNM

That's a great plan A, and I want to go that route too. Going young would be in the off-season if we couldn't find a big way to improve our team.

For as much knowledge that you have, I expected you to know a lot about college basketball too.

 

[Duvalier]

 

[Cippy91]

Without Dame tomorrow, it's gonna be really really bad

 

[Nate]

 

[Nate]

Four of the top five? You're wrong there

Fultz - Combo Guard
Jackson - SF (or big SG)
Tatum - SF
Smith - PG
Monk - Combo Guard

So there's two, maybe 3. I don't think Ball will be a good NBA player at all. His shots easy to contest and he lacks the explosion to create separation.

Jackson would be the perfect SG for us. That's the only guy I want.

If we go to the 76ers and offer CJ and Crabbe for their pick (3rd?) and the Lakers (10th?) I think they accept. I'd consider that.

I haven't watched Jackson. But I really like Tatum. Started the season late and still looks like a stud. Has handles,can create his own shot, can shoot, defend, and he's 6'8

 

[stampedehero]

Its a shame Olshay is not upset and wanted to correct the last ten game 4th Q stabbings