Lillard supermax would screw us

[Portland2014]

Lillard's supermax salary at:
21-22: $41.3M
22-23: $44.6M
23-24: $47.9M
24-25: $51.2M
25-26: $54.5M

Total: $239.5M

He'll be 35 when that contract expires

I would hand this type of contract only to the likes of Curry, Antetokoumpo, LeBron, Kawhi and Durant,

and even for them it would be risky, it takes just one ACL to completely fuck 5 years of the franchise.

People will appeal to how good he is for the community and blablabla but giving him this contract would be a HUGE mistake, and i'll be here when people will realize it.

 

[e_blazer]

Lillard's supermax salary at:
21-22: $41.3M
22-23: $44.6M
23-24: $47.9M
24-25: $51.2M
25-26: $54.5M

Total: $239.5M

He'll be 35 when that contract expires

I would hand this type of contract only to the likes of Curry, Antetokoumpo, LeBron, Kawhi and Durant,

and even for them it would be risky, it takes just one ACL to completely fuck 5 years of the franchise.

People will appeal to how good he is for the community and blablabla but giving him this contract would be a HUGE mistake, and i'll be here when people will realize it.

Four years, not five.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Lillard's supermax salary at:
21-22: $41.3M
22-23: $44.6M
23-24: $47.9M
24-25: $51.2M
25-26: $54.5M

Total: $239.5M

He'll be 35 when that contract expires

I would hand this type of contract only to the likes of Curry, Antetokoumpo, LeBron, Kawhi and Durant,

and even for them it would be risky, it takes just one ACL to completely fuck 5 years of the franchise.

People will appeal to how good he is for the community and blablabla but giving him this contract would be a HUGE mistake, and i'll be here when people will realize it.

Im not gonna like your post for only one reason. I believe he deserves it.
With that said, i agree with you.

I advocated if he wanted to win, he would take less than. Prepare to get blasted by the forum. Lol

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Lillard's supermax salary at:
21-22: $41.3M
22-23: $44.6M
23-24: $47.9M
24-25: $51.2M
25-26: $54.5M

Total: $239.5M

He'll be 35 when that contract expires

I would hand this type of contract only to the likes of Curry, Antetokoumpo, LeBron, Kawhi and Durant,

and even for them it would be risky, it takes just one ACL to completely fuck 5 years of the franchise.

People will appeal to how good he is for the community and blablabla but giving him this contract would be a HUGE mistake, and i'll be here when people will realize it.

Stars will not want to be here if they cant get paid. While I agree it’s risky to give anyone that much money. The fact is if Portland doesnt give him his money, they are tarnishing how the organization is looked at by Players and agents. They basically have to pay him, and yes that may mean they suck towards the end of his deal, but he will get paid and it’s just how the business works.

 

[Portland2014]

If Lillard really likes Portland and is REALLY commited to winning he should take less.

He already makes a shit tons of money from Adidas and others.

If he wants the full max he is just trolling us with all that loyalty things, he just loves Portland because it pays him more.

 

[THE HCP]

If Lillard really likes Portland and is REALLY commited to winning he should take less.

He already makes a shit tons of money from Adidas and others.

If he wants the full max he is just trolling us with all that loyalty things, he just loves Portland because it pays him more.

I’m searching for a post on here that I have ever disagreed with more and am having trouble finding one.

 

[e_blazer]

If Lillard really likes Portland and is REALLY commited to winning he should take less.

He already makes a shit tons of money from Adidas and others.

If he wants the full max he is just trolling us with all that loyalty things, he just loves Portland because it pays him more.

He’s actually taking less if he does it this season. He could wait until next year and demand a five year extension. When he’d be another year older, I might add.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I’m searching for a post on here that I have ever disagreed with more and am having trouble finding one.

I wonder if these are the same types upset that AD waived his trade kicker, because it doesn't make sense to give up 4m...

 

[BonesJones]

Of course he returns to start a thread like this.

 

[joeBlazers]

We should let Dame walk and give the keys of the kingdom to Ant in 2 years.

 

[Propagandist]

Lillard's supermax salary at:
21-22: $41.3M
22-23: $44.6M
23-24: $47.9M
24-25: $51.2M
25-26: $54.5M

Total: $239.5M

He'll be 35 when that contract expires

I would hand this type of contract only to the likes of Curry, Antetokoumpo, LeBron, Kawhi and Durant,

and even for them it would be risky, it takes just one ACL to completely fuck 5 years of the franchise.

People will appeal to how good he is for the community and blablabla but giving him this contract would be a HUGE mistake, and i'll be here when people will realize it.

"Us"? Gtfo. You are "them."

 

[Orion Bailey]

"Us"? Gtfo. You are "them."

Not really.
Finances are black and white. Can be added up and deduced to the penny. The OP brings up valid points.

When you look at most championship teams, one of their top 5 players is usually on a rookie contract still. Or much smaller contract than a max. Curry and Klay in GSW. Kawhi in SA. etc.

As it stands, we have very little chance of picking up a top 5 contributor via the draft because of the lack of picks we have combine with the current talent of this team not being a lottery team. Sop there is no ability to add quality talent next to a supermaxed Dame via the draft and we will have to pay for them via overpay in FA and/or miraculous lopsided trades that clearly benefit us(highly unlikely).

So if you want to win. .. If I want to win.... If the city, the team, the fans and the OP wants us to win, the OP is right. A supermax will likely prevent us from being able to so.

Dame is smart. Dame has plenty of money already and stands to continue to make plenty of money without needing a supermax.

Again. Will I slight him if he takes it, like the OP says he will? No, and that's why the OP didn't get a like from me. However the OP's thinking is very accurate with how the supermax will be a crutch to winning it all.

 

[royo]

Really wonder what is the difference between 20 and 50 mil a year for man. Are they building houses on the moon or Mars?

It's wierd that Mirotic decision to go to Barca or Derren retiring is shocking for people, but 50 mil a year not that much I understand the more you get the more you want, but you know, for me Mirotic or Collison decisions are way more rational than paying someone 50 mil a year.

Imagine Lillard saying: "Fuck it, I'll take 25 and we got money for another star." He would shock the league with it, earn tons of respect from fans and incrase his chance to win it all by a huge margin. But, well, they are just basketball players, not philosophers or real life superheros. So move on. They pay, he takes. That's it.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Not really.
Finances are black and white. Can be added up and deduced to the penny. The OP brings up valid points.

When you look at most championship teams, one of their top 5 players is usually on a rookie contract still. Or much smaller contract than a max. Curry and Klay in GSW. Kawhi in SA. etc.

As it stands, we have very little chance of picking up a top 5 contributor via the draft because of the lack of picks we have combine with the current talent of this team not being a lottery team. Sop there is no ability to add quality talent next to a supermaxed Dame via the draft and we will have to pay for them via overpay in FA and/or miraculous lopsided trades that clearly benefit us(highly unlikely).

So if you want to win. .. If I want to win.... If the city, the team, the fans and the OP wants us to win, the OP is right. A supermax will likely prevent us from being able to so.

Dame is smart. Dame has plenty of money already and stands to continue to make plenty of money without needing a supermax.

Again. Will I slight him if he takes it, like the OP says he will? No, and that's why the OP didn't get a like from me. However the OP's thinking is very accurate with how the supermax will be a crutch to winning it all.

We picked up our top two contributors in the draft in Dame and CJ (Im ok if you want to say he’s number #3). I totally get that those numbers are high and can cripple a franchise but Dame has earned it. Also this isnt like football where you need to fields 52 players.
You have to have stars. Stars really hold all the power because you dont win without them. Would I love it if Dame took a huge discount? Sure, but he wont and its a business.

Very few guys are willing to take a discount for their employer.

I understand those numbers can definitely cripple the franchise, but if Dame wants it, there isnt much they can do about it, other than give it to him.

 

[Hoopguru]

Dame is capital, the money isn't!
The Chalk board is capital, the proceeds to purchase it isn't.
The Trail Blazer Franchise is capital, the cost to purchase isn't.
Just ask any economist.

The VALUE of capital as a percentage of earned revenue is a major factor.
And of course a corporate controller knows how to address capital investments and deal with it from year to year.

Currently, Dame's value as a percentage of sales/income is the highest of the org. He deserves his raise and it wont necessarily prevent the team from winning cship. IMO

 

[Orion Bailey]

We picked up our top two contributors in the draft in Dame and CJ (Im ok if you want to say he’s number #3). I totally get that those numbers are high and can cripple a franchise but Dame has earned it. Also this isnt like football where you need to fields 52 players.
You have to have stars. Stars really hold all the power because you dont win without them. Would I love it if Dame took a huge discount? Sure, but he wont and its a business.

Very few guys are willing to take a discount for their employer.

I understand those numbers can definitely cripple the franchise, but if Dame wants it, there isn't much they can do about it, other than give it to him.

But we were a lotto team when we picked them up. We wont be a lotto team for years unless something drastic happens. Yet we will need to pay Simons and Collins etc in a few years, right in the middle of Dame having a supermax. They will go elsewhere and we lose those contributing rookie contracts.

And you just said it. We need to have stars. We have only one. We need more. Where is that money going to come from with Dame on a supermax?


Really. If he signs a supermax, I see our ONLY chance at winning it all is if both Collins and Simons pop within the next two years to become borderline all star players, along with Kanter returning to be Nurks back up, and one of Hood or Curry also returning on a friendly contract. Then we could hold this team together for a few years and possibly win. But bot Collins and Simons has to pop big time while on their rookie contracts. But once they are up, we wont have money to keep them and keep it going.

Again. I wont lose respect for Dame signing the supermax, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. I see the long term ramifications and hamstrings it will put on the team.

 

[royo]

it wont necessarily prevent the team from winning cship. IMO

I mean, it's obvious Blazers chance to win it would go up if they have more money for other stars. No offence, but it's bollocks

 

[Orion Bailey]

you are gonna get reported. lol

People dont like games like that around here. Your gonna stir the roost.

 

[Portland2014]

"Us"? Gtfo. You are "them."

GTFO my thread then, you are not the depositary of the Blazers fan base.

You are not a better Blazers fan than me, you have not the autority to judge others.

I root for the Trail Blazers, i will root for ever for this franchise WITH OR WITHOUT LILLARD.

I'm afraid A LOT OF PEOPLE are Lillard groupies, not Trail Blazers fans.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Man, One of the topics i'm more interested in discussing than most around here, and this thread is gonna get locked soon. LOL

Great topic of discussion and a very divided stance it seems.

Lets keep it going on the up and up!

 

[Hoopguru]

I mean, it's obvious Blazers chance to win it would go up if they have more money for other stars. No offence, but it's bollocks

Thats the same for all franchises. If an owner (GS) is willing to go over the cap it helps in that regard. If their annual franchise income can cover it, like GS, and still produce decent corp numbers?
Its no different than a retailer or wholesaler that is willing to take lessor margin to move inventory or compete.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

GTFO my thread then, you are not the depositary of the Blazers fan base.

You are not a better Blazers fan than me, you have not the autority to judge others.

I root for the Trail Blazers, i will root for ever for this franchise WITH OR WITHOUT LILLARD.

I'm afraid A LOT OF PEOPLE are Lillard groupies, not Trail Blazers fans.

You do realize that that a large portion of this board have join dates that predate Dame's freshman season at Weber, right?

 

[SIeepwalker]

This thread is a shit show

 

[SIeepwalker]

 

[Portland2014]

You do realize that that a large portion of this board have join dates that predate Dame's freshman season at Weber, right?

I was referring to fans in general, not only on this board.

what's important is that i don't care if your name is Lillard, or McCollum, or Aldridge and so on, if there's a deal that makes the Blazers better i'd do it, regardless of how a player is invested in the community and all that BS.

DeRozan was the most long tenured Raptor, they traded him and they won a championship.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Thats the same for all franchises. If an owner (GS) is willing to go over the cap it helps in that regard. If their annual franchise income can cover it, like GS, and still produce decent corp numbers?
Its no different than a retailer or wholesaler that is willing to take lessor margin to move inventory or compete.

But in economics, that doesn't really work in the long run. It sounds good in theory, but its deceptive. "Lower the costs and sell more, you make more money".
Wrong.
Selling more product, means the manufacturing of more product, which means more labor costs and possible expansion costs. The lowering of the price often does not compensate for the added costs required to keep up with the higher demand. The quality of service and product almost always drop.

Most economics will tell you, its better to provide a higher level of quality at a premium price to select customers, than to spread yourself thin for more sales.

 

[noknobs]

You are not a better Blazers fan than me, you have not the autority to judge others.
....

I'm afraid A LOT OF PEOPLE are Lillard groupies, not Trail Blazers fans.

Please don't judge others, you have not the autority.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Really wonder what is the difference between 20 and 50 mil a year for man. Are they building houses on the moon or Mars?

That’s easy math. The difference would be $30mil. Surprised nobody else was able to answer that one. What do I win?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Please don't judge others, you have not the autority.

You don’t have “authority”, either, FAMS!

 

[Duckhook]

But in economics, that doesn't really work in the long run. It sounds good in theory, but its deceptive. "Lower the costs and sell more, you make more money".
Wrong.
Selling more product, means the manufacturing of more product, which means more labor costs and possible expansion costs. The lowering of the price often does not compensate for the added costs required to keep up with the higher demand. The quality of service and product almost always drop.

Most economics will tell you, its better to provide a higher level of quality at a premium price to select customers, than to spread yourself thin for more sales.

Sam Walmart just rolled over in his grave...