Lillard's and Aldridge's relationship. (He will come back Portland one day) (1 Viewer)

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So about LMA. This years version of him I think could be sufficient as a 4. In a couple of years probably not, but he may only be good enough to be a backup C by then.

 

[hoopsjock]

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And you are a master of avoiding responsibility For being involved in anything. Master of deflecting and master of blaming others for what you do yourself often. Nitpick and instigate.

And before you say it. I know. Im the master of jumping on board and compounding the issue but you know what? If the issue didnt exist then there would be nothing to compound.

For your own good. You MUST exhibit more self awareness.

I bit my tongue when @Chris Craig told us to stop in the other thread and @CupWizier proceeded to post 4 more times about it. Now here we are again with @PtldPlatypus asking it to stop but Cup just can't let it be.

Yet again he didn't do anything wrong and is trying to blame others. I can't respect people who seemingly never accept responsibility for their part.

There was never any intent on my part as this seems to be the norm with jock these days when it comes to anything i post.

Why can't you just stop when people ask you nicely? You completely ruined our mock off season draft by doing similar shit.

 

[hoopsjock]

So about LMA. This years version of him I think could be sufficient as a 4. In a couple of years probably not, but he may only be good enough to be a backup C by then.

I think he'd be fine playing about 1/3 of his time at PF, similar to how SA is using him this year. Maybe a little more against bigger teams but as each year goes by I'm guessing he'll be a little slower moving his feet laterally which will make it hard for him to defend on the perimeter.

For those worried about spacing, Aldridge plays fine with low post bigs. In fact I think Nurk would eventually be able to throw some of those Marcus Camby type lobs to him once they got used to playing with each other. I just don't think it's a pairing that can play big minutes together as Aldridge ages. He'd kill as a go to bench center in his mid 30's, I just question whether or not he'd be a baby and not accept that role.

 

[dviss1]

Defensively really has no bearing on what position a player plays though. Mo Harkless isn't playing PG when he is guarding the point guard. Defensively it depends on match ups and who a coach wants guarding a certain player.

This literally makes no sense when you say Aldridge and Nurk would be our starting frontcourt.

TT should be defending Centers.

 

[dviss1]

Aldridge easily spreads the floor as he can be money out to around 18'. Him and Nurk would be fine.

Not defensively.

And yes Aminu is a WAY better defensive player in the post.

TT has never been a good post defender.

Or really a good defender at all.

 

[CupWizier]

This literally makes no sense when you say Aldridge and Nurk would be our starting frontcourt.

TT should be defending Centers.

Not sure what's confusing you. On the defensive end it's all about match ups and why good small forward defenders will often be guarding a good point guard. Same with a power forward or center.as they can match up with the opposing center or forward depending on where the advantage is. If not, then how would you do it?

 

[CupWizier]

Not defensively.

And yes Aminu is a WAY better defensive player in the post.

TT has never been a good post defender.

Or really a good defender at all.

Even if Aminu is a better defender, Aldridge is much better offensively, ball handler and a passer and well exceeds any deficiency Aldridge might have compared to Aminu and I like Aminu. I think you guys are letting your emotions speak when it comes to Aldridge because of how he left. I'm strictly looking at it from a talent standpoint and not contracts or any other tangibles. It's likely never to happen anyway, but it does bring up interesting discussion.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Not sure what's confusing you. On the defensive end it's all about match ups and why good small forward defenders will often be guarding a good point guard. Same with a power forward or center.as they can match up with the opposing center or forward depending on where the advantage is. If not, then how would you do it?

That works in theory but not with Nurk.
So your premise is that on defense Lma would slide over to guard the center when he cant handle the pf of the other team. Okay, so then Who does Nurk guard? The guy that lma couldnt? Nurk cant hang with pfs.

So what you are saying would not work to me. For Lma to start with Nurk, he has to cover the PF defensively.

 

[CupWizier]

That works in theory but not with Nurk.
So your premise is that on defense Lma would slide over to guard the center when he cant handle the pf of the other team. Okay, so then Who does Nurk guard? The guy that lma couldnt? Nurk cant hang with pfs.

So what you are saying would not work to me. For Lma to start with Nurk, he has to cover the PF defensively.

I see no problem with Aldridge guarding power forwards, but if you have an Anthony Davis you are playing against, it would probably be best to switch up defenses with Aldridge and Nurkic. Right now, Nurkic handles most centers just fine and I don't see an issue with Aldridge guarding pretty much any power forward. You do realize that last year the majority of the games Aldridge played in he was playing the PF position. The main reason he's not playing PF this year is that they really don't have a center.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I see no problem with Aldridge guarding power forwards, but if you have an Anthony Davis you are playing against, it would probably be best to switch up defenses with Aldridge and Nurkic. Right now, Nurkic handles most centers just fine and I don't see an issue with Aldridge guarding pretty much any power forward. You do realize that last year the majority of the games Aldridge played in he was playing the PF position. The main reason he's not playing PF this year is that they really don't have a center.

Fair enough. And for the record, im for getting him as long as we dont lose much or blow our salary out of the water.
In this instance i trust Dame to recognize how much LMA has grown and matured, more than anyone here. If Dame sees it, im for it.

 

[Hoopguru]

Fair enough. And for the record, im for getting him as long as we dont lose much or blow our salary out of the water.
In this instance i trust Dame to recognize how much LMA has grown and matured, more than anyone here. If Dame sees it, im for it.

Whats all the talk about LA is he wanting to come back?

 

[CupWizier]

Fair enough. And for the record, im for getting him as long as we dont lose much or blow our salary out of the water.
In this instance i trust Dame to recognize how much LMA has grown and matured, more than anyone here. If Dame sees it, im for it.

Yeah, like in any acquisition it would definitely depend on the cost. If we could get him for Turner and along with someone like Leonard and a future pick. It gets the spurs out of Aldridge contract a year earlier and they could maybe sign Leonard if he pans out and start their rebuild.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Whats all the talk about LA is he wanting to come back?

Read the article in the op.

Edit: yeah,this poster should read the fricken OP....

 

[Hobbesarable]

Some more drama in a couple of threads, eh? This is what I get when I leave the forum for a few hours to work on the house and go for a run.

I should do that more often!

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yeah, like in any acquisition it would definitely depend on the cost. If we could get him for Turner and along with someone like Leonard and a future pick. It gets the spurs out of Aldridge contract a year earlier and they could maybe sign Leonard if he pans out and start their rebuild.

Ya had me until you said turner. They might be willing to take one mediocre to bad contract, but not two, im thinking.

I think it woukd require turner, collins, a pick or two and possibly harkless or leonard.
Im not in favor of getting rid of collins for him when aminu will be gone. Collins i think is the future of to play along nurk.
Were talking about a stipgap that makes us a contender until collins takes that spot from him.

 

[Orion Bailey]

So about LMA. This years version of him I think could be sufficient as a 4. In a couple of years probably not, but he may only be good enough to be a backup C by then.

Read the article in the op.

Sorry the lame OP above didnt include a link! Shame on you @TorturedBlazerFan
Ill dig one up for ya. Its been all over.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Read the article in the op.

https://www.kgw.com/mobile/article/...land/283-f491fcb3-56c6-40aa-9c59-0fffb7885832

 

[Orion Bailey]

Some more drama in a couple of threads, eh? This is what I get when I leave the forum for a few hours to work on the house and go for a run.

I should do that more often!

You took a run and worked on the house for only a few hours?
Lazy...

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Sorry the lame OP above didnt include a link! Shame on you @TorturedBlazerFan
Ill dig one up for ya. Its been all over.

Im so confused what I am shamed for, but I will wear my shame proudly!

 

[dviss1]

To be fair--he didn't call you anything. He said "If you want to ______...then ______...". Just presenting a basic recommendation.

Hey platy, tell your wife that she's "acting like a" bitch and see how that goes.

Cup--we all know you're an expert at pushing buttons without violating rules; no need to provide further evidence.

If telling someone they're "acting like" an asshole isn't against forum rules, it should be or I'm about to work that exploit to DEATH.

 

[dviss1]

Even if Aminu is a better defender, Aldridge is much better offensively, ball handler and a passer and well exceeds any deficiency Aldridge might have compared to Aminu and I like Aminu. I think you guys are letting your emotions speak when it comes to Aldridge because of how he left. I'm strictly looking at it from a talent standpoint and not contracts or any other tangibles. It's likely never to happen anyway, but it does bring up interesting discussion.

Aldridge, to this DAY still can't drive from the top of the key and finish at the rim.

And he still has no left hand.

Folks need to stop...

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Aldridge, to this DAY still can't drive from the top of the key than shoot.

And he still has no left hand.

Folks need to stop...

Sure but Id say this, there are very few guys on the planet who could average 20+ ppg in the NBA we know Aminu cant, LMA has proven he can.
LMA is a better offensive player then Chief.

Its easy to point out flaws in LA’s game, but people literally point at flaw’s in Lebrons, MJ’s, and others who are way better then Aldridge ever was or will be. Chief has a lot of flaws too.

Can Chief go left and pull up and shoot?

 

[THE HCP]

Sure but Id say this, there are very few guys on the planet who could average 20+ ppg in the NBA we know Aminu cant, LMA has proven he can.
LMA is a better offensive player then Chief.

Its easy to point out flaws in LA’s game, but people literally point at flaw’s in Lebrons, MJ’s, and others who are way better then Aldridge ever was or will be. Chief has a lot of flaws too.

Can Chief go left and pull up and shoot?

You are wasting your breathe. @dviss1 allows his hate for LA leaving to cloud his common sense. Doesn't matter what he says, we would be WAY better with him, but he will never acknowledge that.

 

[kjironman1]

Sure but Id say this, there are very few guys on the planet who could average 20+ ppg in the NBA we know Aminu cant, LMA has proven he can.
LMA is a better offensive player then Chief.

Its easy to point out flaws in LA’s game, but people literally point at flaw’s in Lebrons, MJ’s, and others who are way better then Aldridge ever was or will be. Chief has a lot of flaws too.

Can Chief go left and pull up and shoot?

Sure Chief can go left... he "left" it on the court and kicked it across the trainwreck tracks.....

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Hey platy, tell your wife that she's "acting like a" bitch and see how that goes.



If telling someone they're "acting like" an asshole isn't against forum rules, it should be or I'm about to work that exploit to DEATH.

Don't even think you can pull that shit with me.....I'm not acting.

 

[kjironman1]

Don't even think you can pull that shit with me.....I'm not acting.

Yeah i kinda forgot how not to be an asshole.... There was a time.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Yeah i kinda forgot how not to be an asshole.... There was a time.

You knew how?

My mom has a Sears portrait of me at like 6 months old and I look like I'm trying to kill someone with telekinesis.

 

[hoopsjock]

You are wasting your breathe. @dviss1 allows his hate for LA leaving to cloud his common sense. Doesn't matter what he says, we would be WAY better with him, but he will never acknowledge that.

You're not a fan of chemistry?

Do you like when a player takes his own flight home after sucking in the playoffs?

Do you like when a player holds a grudge for years because he doesn't think someone invited him out to lunch on a road trip?

Do you like when a player whines behind the scenes that someone else is getting more attention?

Do you like that team employees had to walk on eggshells around him so he never perceived some stupid slight?

I really hope he's changed for the better, but it would still be a risk to bring him back thinking he had changed his mannerisms and that there would be no fall off in his game.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You're not a fan of chemistry?

Do you like when a player takes his own flight home after sucking in the playoffs?

Do you like when a player holds a grudge for years because he doesn't think someone invited him out to lunch on a road trip?

Do you like when a player whines behind the scenes that someone else is getting more attention?

Do you like that team employees had to walk on eggshells around him so he never perceived some stupid slight?

I really hope he's changed for the better, but it would still be a risk to bring him back thinking he had changed his mannerisms and that there would be no fall off in his game.

The best team the Blazers have had since Clyde was put together by a GM who is well qouted as not being a Chemistry major. I dont like how the LMA stuff went down, but if him and Dame are actually friends now, I think the chemistry of the team would be different.

Even if he was still the exactly the same, its hard to tell if the bad Chemistry would really hurt them in terms of winning. All those things you mentioned and they were the 2nd best team in the west most of the year before all the injuries happened.

Im good if people say we dont want him because of how things happened when he was here. My opinion is that right now he’d be an upgrade at the 4, it would be a bandaid though as he is on the tail end of his career and in a year or two he might not be an upgrade.

 

[CupWizier]

Aldridge, to this DAY still can't drive from the top of the key than shoot.

And he still has no left hand.

Folks need to stop...

If you say that you can't stand him, pissed for him leaving Portland or don't like his attitude, that's one thing but to act like he isn't a very talented player on the floor leads me to believe you haven't seen him play much this year or your bias has gotten the best of you. I'm not worried about his play on the court but more about what the cost would be to acquire him and if the Spurs even are willing to deal. Those are the only questions I have as I want more talent for this team. A lineup of Nurkic, Aldridge, Harkless, McCollum and Lillard can compete with pretty much any team.