Lillard's invisible performance

[Binx]

Exactly, and the OP said that was the only two ways to do it apparently. That lost a lot of credibility for me.

I never said that. Someone who read my post interpreted it that way. Of course you can pass out of a double team. My point is that Lillard has to do a better job of dealing with double teams and there are several ways to do that, none of which he has been particularly excelling at.

 

[Binx]

Lillard plays well, nobody says shit. Lillard plays poorly and people call him out.

Not true. I see people raving about Lillard's great games all the time on this board. What's ironic is that we've all elevated him to the "great" level, but then we give him a pass when he doesn't perform like a great player.

 

[H.C.]

You mean the hobbled Beverly that barely looked like he belonged on the floor? He gave Lillard all sorts of trouble before the injury.

Feb 6th - Win
21 points, 10 assists, 4 turnovers, 1 steal, 4 rebounds, 4-4 from the ft line
Feb 10th - Win
31 points, 9 assists, 4 turnovers, 3 steals, 3 rebounds, 9-11 from the ft line
Feb 25th - Loss(Harden scored 45)
23 points, 7 assists, 1 turnover, 6 rebounds, 8-8 from the FT line.

If those are giving someone trouble... Then please do enlighten me as to what Lillard looks like when he doesn't have a bad game,
I could go back to last year as well.
Beverly never has been considered a Lillard stopper. It was a narrative driven by the media due to Beverly's extra antics.
I won't even bring up this year when Beverly did extra stuff after the whistle that Lillard went off right after it. So much so the Rockets pulled the "Lillard stopper" off Lillard and put Ariza on him.

Bottom line is Beverly is an overrated defender who hasn't ever slowed down an elite pg in the NBA. He does good against the Lin's of the league though.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

27% from three with a 13 PER...

CP3 absolutely owned him on both ends of the court.

You have Rivers and Pablo, you have no excuse now.

 

[BonesJones]

1.) Teams can play him tighter (taking away 3s) because they are allowed to be more physical

2.) The refs arent calling handchecks, so the Clips get away with that, taking away drives.

3.) If he does get to the rim, you have DeAndre Jordan taking away layins

4.) You have refs swallowing their whistle, taking away free throws.

5.) They're trapping, taking away everything

 

[BonesJones]

Feb 6th - Win
21 points, 10 assists, 4 turnovers, 1 steal, 4 rebounds, 4-4 from the ft line
Feb 10th - Win
31 points, 9 assists, 4 turnovers, 3 steals, 3 rebounds, 9-11 from the ft line
Feb 25th - Loss(Harden scored 45)
23 points, 7 assists, 1 turnover, 6 rebounds, 8-8 from the FT line.

If those are giving someone trouble... Then please do enlighten me as to what Lillard looks like when he doesn't have a bad game,
I could go back to last year as well.
Beverly never has been considered a Lillard stopper. It was a narrative driven by the media due to Beverly's extra antics.
I won't even bring up this year when Beverly did extra stuff after the whistle that Lillard went off right after it. So much so the Rockets pulled the "Lillard stopper" off Lillard and put Ariza on him.

Bottom line is Beverly is an overrated defender who hasn't ever slowed down an elite pg in the NBA. He does good against the Lin's of the league though.

You could say all these things about Dellavedova as well.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Ummmm when Aminu scores 30 and Crabbe goes 5/5, that is because of the attention Dame commands. Dame played great last night. He was calm when trapped. He got the ball to Plumlee. He found Crabbe and Aminu in rhythm. Anyone who thinks Dame played badly last night wasn't paying attention.

Right again, marathon man.

 

[handiman]

Feb 6th - Win
21 points, 10 assists, 4 turnovers, 1 steal, 4 rebounds, 4-4 from the ft line
Feb 10th - Win
31 points, 9 assists, 4 turnovers, 3 steals, 3 rebounds, 9-11 from the ft line
Feb 25th - Loss(Harden scored 45)
23 points, 7 assists, 1 turnover, 6 rebounds, 8-8 from the FT line.

If those are giving someone trouble... Then please do enlighten me as to what Lillard looks like when he doesn't have a bad game,
I could go back to last year as well.
Beverly never has been considered a Lillard stopper. It was a narrative driven by the media due to Beverly's extra antics.
I won't even bring up this year when Beverly did extra stuff after the whistle that Lillard went off right after it. So much so the Rockets pulled the "Lillard stopper" off Lillard and put Ariza on him.

Bottom line is Beverly is an overrated defender who hasn't ever slowed down an elite pg in the NBA. He does good against the Lin's of the league though.

Wait, did you just cherry pick stats from this year in an attempt to disprove my point from prior to the Houston series two years ago? Of course Lillard's numbers are better against Beverly than they were when he was still a major defensive force.

There have been some absurd posts here over the years, but that's has to be among the best.

Ummmm when Aminu scores 30 and Crabbe goes 5/5, that is because of the attention Dame commands. Dame played great last night. He was calm when trapped. He got the ball to Plumlee. He found Crabbe and Aminu in rhythm. Anyone who thinks Dame played badly last night wasn't paying attention.

How do you explain their shooting woes in games 1-3, then?

 

[Strenuus]

Dame didn't have a bad night at all. Learn the game, then post.

You missed a lot of my posts. I was pandering.

Learn to read my posts, then post.

 

[H.C.]

Wait, did you just cherry pick stats from this year in an attempt to disprove my point from prior to the Houston series two years ago? Of course Lillard's numbers are better against Beverly than they were when he was still a major defensive force.

There have been some absurd posts here over the years, but that's has to be among the best.

13-14 season.
Dec 12th - Win
8 points, 6 assists, 4 turnovers, 5-5 from the line.
(Lillard was a +20, Aldridge had 31/25)
Jan 20th - Loss(Parsons had 31 & Aldridge had 27/20)
24 points, 5 assists, 4 turnovers, 1 rebound, 7-8 from the line.
March 9th - Loss (Harden had 41 in OT win, Aldridge 28/12, Lillard fouled out)
21 points, 4 assists, 7 turnovers, 4 rebounds, 2 steals, 4-4 from the line.


14-15 season
Dec 22nd - loss(Harden had 44)
18 points, 3 assists, 6 turnovers, 3 rebounds, 1 steal, 6-6 from the line.
Feb 8th - Win
23 points, 5 assists, 1 turnover 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 10-11 from the line.
March 11th - Win
14 points, 8 assists, 3 turnovers, 5 rebounds, 3-4 from the line.


When was the last time Mr. Beverly stopped any elite NBA point guard?

Have a nice day.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Not true. I see people raving about Lillard's great games all the time on this board. What's ironic is that we've all elevated him to the "great" level, but then we give him a pass when he doesn't perform like a great player.

Great players aren't allowed to have bad games? They all do....

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/jordan-records-worst-performance-in-16-years-1.286007

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-shooter-outside-paint-during-2015-16-season

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/worst-performances-kobe-bryant-career-article-1.2424571


Because these guys didnt play great 100% of the time, should we not call them great either?

Again. Nobody is perfect and everyone has had a bad game, bad series, bad stint.

Nothing wrong with critiquing, but lets be partial when doing so. Lillard has been far from invisible and the posts back that up by many knowledgeable members.
Threads praising Lillard are much less prominent than threads bashing him or the team. and when they are created, its usually by as homer on the heals of dealing with all the bashing in order to counter and provide some positive. I've watched it happen.

If were gonna bash Lillard, then lets keep it in context of what other greats do on their bad days??????

Where was the thread when Lillard scored 30 in game three???If there was one I certainly missed it....Did you create it Binx?

 

[blazerboy30]

Wow. There are some panties in wads around here.

Is Lillard invisible this series? Absolutely not. The Clippers are completely focused on him y not letting him have anything easy.

Has he taken some ill-advised shots that could be reduced? Definitely. An easy comparison is Chris Paul. I don't remember him taking any horrible shots and he doesn't force things.

Lillard is awesome but that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.

 

[Natebishop3]

Not true. I see people raving about Lillard's great games all the time on this board. What's ironic is that we've all elevated him to the "great" level, but then we give him a pass when he doesn't perform like a great player.

I'm saying that nobody criticizes him when he is playing well. Nobody was on here talking shit after his 32 point performance. His usual critics took a fucking vacation when he was stringing all those 30 point games together. But if he has one sub-par game, the critics come out in force.

 

[Natebishop3]

People complaining about Lillard should take a look at Kyle Lowry.

That dude is shooting 31.4% from the field, and 18.8% from three for the series. What's his excuse? The Pacers don't have Chris Paul.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

This thread is ridiculous. Lillard didn't have a bad game, he had a very good game, and we won because of it. No one "saved" Lillard.

Random Old Man story.
You tend to like the team that was good when you were a kid. For me, that was the Steelers. You know who didn't have the most sacks for the Steeler's great "Iron Curtain" defense? Mean Joe Greene. He must have sucked, letting his team down, right!?! Not at all - he was double teamed (or triple teamed!) every damn down. The Steelers defense played 10 on 9 every down. Everyone understood this, and Joe got accolades galore.

So, now Plumlee, Aminu, and Harkless get to play 3 on 2, but these guys "saved us???" Kudos to those guys for learning to take advantage - but blaming Lillard seems silly.

 

[Natebishop3]

This thread is ridiculous. Lillard didn't have a bad game, he had a very good game, and we won because of it. No one "saved" Lillard.

Random Old Man story.
You tend to like the team that was good when you were a kid. For me, that was the Steelers. You know who didn't have the most sacks for the Steeler's great "Iron Curtain" defense? Mean Joe Greene. He must have sucked, letting his team down, right!?! Not at all - he was double teamed (or triple teamed!) every damn down. The Steelers defense played 10 on 9 every down. Everyone understood this, and Joe got accolades galore.

So, now Plumlee, Aminu, and Harkless get to play 3 on 2, but these guys "saved us???" Kudos to those guys for learning to take advantage - but blaming Lillard seems silly.

Have you seen the movie Concussion? I'm just curious, because it seems to be centered around that great Steelers team.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Have you seen the movie Concussion? I'm just curious, because it seems to be centered around that great Steelers team.

on the to do list. I'm uncomfortable with the ethics of watching football, but the little kid inside watches anyway. Concussion may turn that around - and I don't think I'm ready to watch baseball instead.

 

[Natebishop3]

on the to do list. I'm uncomfortable with the ethics of watching football, but the little kid inside watches anyway. Concussion may turn that around - and I don't think I'm ready to watch baseball instead.

It's a really good movie.... but as a fan of football, it's a little depressing. Still, you should definitely watch it.

 

[blazerboy30]

People complaining about Lillard should take a look at Kyle Lowry.

That dude is shooting 31.4% from the field, and 18.8% from three for the series. What's his excuse? The Pacers don't have Chris Paul.

Why does Lowry shooting 31.4% mean that Lillard didn't, IMO, a few too many ill-advised and bad shots?

 

[Natebishop3]

Why does Lowry shooting 31.4% mean that Lillard didn't, IMO, a few too many ill-advised and bad shots?

That's an interesting point Blazerboy30. Let's take a closer look at my post.

"People complaining about Lillard should take a look at Kyle Lowry."

Well, I'm not really seeing anything in there specifically about Lillard and ill-advised and bad shots..... maybe in the next sentence?

"That dude is shooting 31.4% from the field, and 18.8% from three for the series. What's his excuse? The Pacers don't have Chris Paul."

Hmm..... nothing in that sentence referencing whether Lillard did or did not take ill-advised and bad shots either.... Are you sure my post was specifically about Lillard taking ill-advised and/or bad shots? I'm not really seeing anything in that post about that topic..... at all..... or even a little bit.

I mean, you quoted that post specifically, so I'm assuming there's something in there about Lillard taking ill-advised or bad shots, otherwise your post wouldn't make a lot of sense, right?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Then what the hell is mine? I see both sides?! :MARIS61:

Counter-Confirmation Bias? You are compelled to see all sides of every issue?

Nah. More likely you are just a contrary cuss!

 

[blazerboy30]

That's an interesting point Blazerboy30. Let's take a closer look at my post.

"People complaining about Lillard should take a look at Kyle Lowry."

Well, I'm not really seeing anything in there specifically about Lillard and ill-advised and bad shots..... maybe in the next sentence?

"That dude is shooting 31.4% from the field, and 18.8% from three for the series. What's his excuse? The Pacers don't have Chris Paul."

Hmm..... nothing in that sentence referencing whether Lillard did or did not take ill-advised and bad shots either.... Are you sure my post was specifically about Lillard taking ill-advised and/or bad shots? I'm not really seeing anything in that post about that topic..... at all..... or even a little bit.

I mean, you quoted that post specifically, so I'm assuming there's something in there about Lillard taking ill-advised or bad shots, otherwise your post wouldn't make a lot of sense, right?

People were discussing his bad shot selection.

You said people that are complaining should look at Lowry and his shooting percentage.

Not sure what you're talking about or why you're in a tissy.

 

[handiman]

13-14 season.
Dec 12th - Win
8 points, 6 assists, 4 turnovers, 5-5 from the line.
(Lillard was a +20, Aldridge had 31/25)
Jan 20th - Loss(Parsons had 31 & Aldridge had 27/20)
24 points, 5 assists, 4 turnovers, 1 rebound, 7-8 from the line.
March 9th - Loss (Harden had 41 in OT win, Aldridge 28/12, Lillard fouled out)
21 points, 4 assists, 7 turnovers, 4 rebounds, 2 steals, 4-4 from the line.


14-15 season
Dec 22nd - loss(Harden had 44)
18 points, 3 assists, 6 turnovers, 3 rebounds, 1 steal, 6-6 from the line.
Feb 8th - Win
23 points, 5 assists, 1 turnover 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 10-11 from the line.
March 11th - Win
14 points, 8 assists, 3 turnovers, 5 rebounds, 3-4 from the line.


When was the last time Mr. Beverly stopped any elite NBA point guard?

Have a nice day.

You conveniently left out Dame's shooting percentage, yet you highlighted free throws which is the most obvious sign ever that you yourself know you're spewing b.s. stats. Free throw percentage is a reflection of a defender's ability? Give me a freakin' break.

11/05/13: 7-17 FG
12/12/13: 1-10 FG
1/20/14: 7-17 FG
3/09/14: 7-13 FG

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lillada01/gamelog/2014/

That's a total of 22-57, or 38.6%. I'd say Beverly was pretty effective, especially through the first three.

'14-15 was after Beverly had been slowed by injury. He's never been the same player since, although he added some semblance of a 3-pt shot to remain somewhat relevant.

 

[Natebishop3]

People were discussing his bad shot selection.

You said people that are complaining should look at Lowry and his shooting percentage.

Yup. People complaining about Lillard should take a look at Lowry and see that it could be a LOT worse.

I guess if you want to find hidden meaning in my posts, go right ahead

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You conveniently left out Dame's shooting percentage, yet you highlighted free throws which is the most obvious sign ever that you yourself know you're spewing b.s. stats. Free throw percentage is a reflection of a defender's ability? Give me a freakin' break.

11/05/13: 7-17 FG
12/12/13: 1-10 FG
1/20/14: 7-17 FG
3/09/14: 7-13 FG

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lillada01/gamelog/2014/

That's a total of 22-57, or 38.6%. I'd say Beverly was pretty effective, especially through the first three.

'14-15 was after Beverly had been slowed by injury. He's never been the same player since, although he added some semblance of a 3-pt shot to remain somewhat relevant.

Only one of those games had Lillard below 20 points or below 40% from the field--the 1-10 game on 12/12. I'd say he was "pretty effective" in that one game, and average at best defensively in the other 3. Oh, the one game that Beverly was so great in--Dame was +20. Oddly enough, that was the only game of the 4 that we actually won.

 

[blazerboy30]

Yup. People complaining about Lillard should take a look at Lowry and see that it could be a LOT worse.

I guess if you want to find hidden meaning in my posts, go right ahead

And again...just because it could be worse doesn't mean people can't hope for and look for improvement.

Not sure why that hurts you so much emotionally.

 

[Orion Bailey]

And again...just because it could be worse doesn't mean people can't hope for and look for improvement.

Not sure why that hurts you so much emotionally.

I think Nate is trying to point out that there are other star players playing much worse and nobody is going to play a perfect game so the look for improvement is probably going to leave alot of people disappointed. Dame has improved his game every single season. Why not just accept him for who he is and if he doesn't play perfectly, look forward to the next game or something?

 

[blazerboy30]

I think Nate is trying to point out that there are other star players playing much worse and nobody is going to play a perfect game so the look for improvement is probably going to leave alot of people disappointed. Dame has improved his game every single season. Why not just accept him for who he is and if he doesn't play perfectly, look forward to the next game or something?

You can ask the same thing about pretty much every thread on this forum.

Don't talk about the draft or trade deadline because you should just be happy with and accept the team as-is? No need to look at ways to improve, right?

 

[Natebishop3]

And again...just because it could be worse doesn't mean people can't hope for and look for improvement.

Not sure why that hurts you so much emotionally.

Ha! You love to look for conflict. It wasn't even a post directed at you, unless you think you're complaining about Lillard?

You're trying to create some type of slight when it was a generic post, not pointed directly at anyone.

The only person around here who seems to be hurt emotionally is you. Did you think I called you out BB? Did I hurt your feelings? Why are you in a "tissy?"

 

[Orion Bailey]

You can ask the same thing about pretty much every thread on this forum.

Don't talk about the draft or trade deadline because you should just be happy with and accept the team as-is? No need to look at ways to improve, right?

Apples to Oranges man.

Drafts and trades are a part of the game. So are players ups and downs. No one is ever up all the time, so the expectation that he should be by some around here blows my mind.