LMA gassed, McMillan says rest in July and August

[mgb]

I don't think there is any denying this rationale in terms of idealism. The question is, does it matter if LMA's body really is gassed?

What exactly does it mean his body is gassed? From this point on he can't play any effective mins? He can play 10 effective mins? 20? No matter the amount of rest between games his body is gassed? I can understand him getting tired during a game, but not for the rest of the season. I also think at some point it becomes mental.

 

[PapaG]

Why do you want data when you have no idea how to use it?

I just want to use it as an estimate, not to prove anything!

 

[PapaG]

What exactly does it mean his body is gassed? From this point on he can't play any effective mins? He can play 10 effective mins? 20? No matter the amount of rest between games his body is gassed? I can understand him getting tired during a game, but not for the rest of the season. I also think at some point it becomes mental.

I suppose, but if he really is beat down from playing so much, no amount of mental fortitude is going to offset true physical limitations, at least over a sustained period.

If it is mental, and his body is 100%, then I expect him to start trying harder (I don't subscribe to this theory, though, I think all players try as hard as their bodies let them in a play-off chase). I don't think he's a quitter. I think his body isn't at its best, and it may be affecting his mental state and frustrating him. JMO, though.

 

[blazerboy30]

I just want to use it as an estimate, not to prove anything!

That is all that can be done with stats... make educated guesses. You can't prove anything. I'm glad to see you're making progress.

 

[Masbee]

In other words, McMillan knows that Aldridge is 25 years old, and in the prime of his life, and that running up and down the court for a couple of hours every other day is not that difficult--especially when you do very little the rest of the day. Thank you, Nate.

so absurd. can't imagine why you put crap like this in words.

 

[mgb]

I suppose, but if he really is beat down from playing so much, no amount of mental fortitude is going to offset true physical limitations, at least over a sustained period.

If it is mental, and his body is 100%, then I expect him to start trying harder (I don't subscribe to this theory, though, I think all players try as hard as their bodies let them in a play-off chase). I don't think he's a quitter. I think his body isn't at its best, and it may be affecting his mental state and frustrating him. JMO, though.

Beat down? Again I'm not sure what that means. Is he injured? I guess you are saying just a cumulative effect that causes his body not to play hard for many mins? That causes him to run out of gas after a certain amount of mins no matter the rest before the game? Beat down to me does sound really mental.

 

[PapaG]

That is all that can be done with stats... make educated guesses. You can't prove anything. I'm glad to see you're making progress.

I can't prove that LMA is averaging 21.9 ppg and 8.6 rpg? Or that he is shooting 49.8% from the field?

Why, I think you're on the edge of a basketball revolution!

 

[PapaG]

Beat down? Again I'm not sure what that means. Is he injured? I guess you are saying just a cumulative effect that causes his body not to play hard for many mins? That causes him to run out of gas after a certain amount of mins no matter the rest before the game? Beat down to me does sound really mental.

Well, we're arguing semantics. I think perhaps his body isn't able to give the same consistent performances that it could give 3 months ago, no matter how much LMA wants it to.

Saying otherwise is getting dangerously close to saying he is tanking, IMO. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and I hope he does get a bit of rest before the playoffs. The guy had a beast of a year, and without him during the injury stretch to others, I don't think the Blazers are a playoff team.

 

[Minstrel]

Well I think it should be obvious at this point that I'm always right and so is Crandc (except when she disagrees with me). Why do we need data to prove what we already know as fact?

That's sexist. And I have statistical evidence of you being sexist in the past.

 

[PapaG]

That's sexist. And I have statistical evidence of you being sexist in the past.

You can't prove anything, you and your fancypants stats.

 

[Minstrel]

In other words, McMillan knows that Aldridge is 25 years old, and in the prime of his life, and that running up and down the court for a couple of hours every other day is not that difficult--especially when you do very little the rest of the day. Thank you, Nate.

I know...millions of kids play this game for free while also doing their school work and engaging in other hobbies. It's obviously incredibly easy, really not work at all.

Today's athletes are just lazy. I remember when pro athletes played 52 minutes per game and then went back to their day jobs as coal miners.

 

[PapaG]

I know...millions of kids play this game for free while also doing their school work and engaging in other hobbies. It's obviously incredibly easy, really not work at all.

Today's athletes are just lazy. I remember when pro athletes played 52 minutes per game and then went back to their day jobs as coal miners.

George Mikan played 54 mpg, and players on the other team were allowed to hit him on the knees with sticks.

That's why he wore knee pads.

 

[alex42083]

Man.. I'd love to see that George Mikan play in today's NBA if he's gonna be dribbling like that.

 

[Spud147]

That's sexist. And I have statistical evidence of you being sexist in the past.

Again you're missing the point... statistical evidence is irrelevant in this case because I rule.

 

[BBert]

The only comment I have about Nate's comment is that, if LaMarcus does what his coach said, and rests during July and August (ala Miller), this board will tear him up and devour his still quivering flesh. And Talkhard will probably be the lead zombie.

 

[maxiep]

His shots have been falling short, he's been getting pushed out on the perimeter more (fighting for inside position less) and his drives to the hoop are a bit slower. Of course the guy is worn out. I only wish we had someone else behind him that was taller than 6'7". We don't, so it's the reality for the rest of the year.

 

[mgb]

The only comment I have about Nate's comment is that, if LaMarcus does what his coach said, and rests during July and August (ala Miller), this board will tear him up and devour his still quivering flesh. And Talkhard will probably be the lead zombie.

Well he can rest July OR August.

 

[mgb]

Well, we're arguing semantics. I think perhaps his body isn't able to give the same consistent performances that it could give 3 months ago, no matter how much LMA wants it to.

Saying otherwise is getting dangerously close to saying he is tanking, IMO. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and I hope he does get a bit of rest before the playoffs. The guy had a beast of a year, and without him during the injury stretch to others, I don't think the Blazers are a playoff team.

I certainly don't think he's tanking it. I just hope he does get a second wind to finish out the season/playoffs.

 

[PapaG]

I certainly don't think he's tanking it. I just hope he does get a second wind to finish out the season/playoffs.

I'm not saying you were, mgb. I know you weren't, or would not, make that accusation!

 

[STOMP]

Who is labeling him an idiot? Also, aren't we all armchair posters? Or are the armchair posters only on the side that the "experts" like you disagree with?

I'm sorry, I guess calling his comments "boneheaded" and "dumbass" like the first two in this thread did is completely different then calling him an idiot... my bad! Thanks for setting me straight Mr. internet police man

as an armchair observer myself, I think the experts are the guys who've been doing the NBA thing professionally for a while.

STOMP

 

[Tince]

or rest him if SA stays in 1 seed and we take the 8th - just as easy to play that game this way

I'll take Dallas over San Antonio or LA any day of the week.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm sorry, I guess calling his comments "boneheaded" and "dumbass" like the first two in this thread did is completely different then calling him an idiot... my bad! Thanks for setting me straight Mr. internet police man

as an armchair observer myself, I think the experts are the guys who've been doing the NBA thing professionally for a while.

STOMP

While I generally agree with your point, it's also the reason people still listen to Isiah Thomas and think Michael Jordan would make a fabulous GM.

 

[STOMP]

While I generally agree with your point, it's also the reason people still listen to Isiah Thomas and think Michael Jordan would make a fabulous GM.

there is an exception or two to every trend... of course. MJ and Isiah bring marketability to the table which is probably why they've drawn so many checks after their playing careers ended despite their results. Elgin Baylor worked on the cheap, etc... But in general, I think the experts are those who've been involved in the actual game long term, certainly much more so then us posters. Having played and around players lends some insights that smart people pick up on. If we want to criticize the opinions of the experts, the burden of proof is on our side as to why they're wrong. Based both on my experience with athletics and his expertise, I'm with Nate in feeling that 40 MPG is fine for a 25 year old stud like LA. Drink some fluids, get your rest, eat right, and bring it tomorrow.

btw... lyin' BrianGrantfan has assigned me all sorts of ridiculous views, this expert thing being just one of them. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually agreed with me on the minutes thing, but mostly he wants attention so here we are. Of course everyone knows he has issues, so really whatever...

STOMP

 

[Masbee]

I'm sorry, I guess calling his comments "boneheaded" and "dumbass" like the first two in this thread did is completely different then calling him an idiot... my bad! Thanks for setting me straight Mr. internet police man

as an armchair observer myself, I think the experts are the guys who've been doing the NBA thing professionally for a while.

STOMP

You know what "experts" in their field making choices proves about the perfection of those choices? NOTHING.

First, folks makes mistakes, including experts.

You think the engineers at Fukishima made good choices in the first week after the earthquake? I mean shit, they are experts. What the fuck do I know?

Second, the Peter Principle is in full effect in this world. Being labeled an "expert" doesn't make you exceptionally competent.

For another, the pressure to WIN NOW is immense. Nate has always leaned toward, "play your ass off now, win this game in front of you, and worry about the next game tommorow."

That mindset may lead to more success overall than not. But, it does not mean that fans who critisize the team for potentially overplaying Aldridge are all fucking idiots who "no nothing".

Your repeatedly trotting out that argument ("experts" know more than you morons) is tiresome.

 

[blazerboy30]

You know what "experts" in their field making choices proves about the perfection of those choices? NOTHING.

First, folks makes mistakes, including experts.

You think the engineers at Fukishima made good choices in the first week after the earthquake? I mean shit, they are experts. What the fuck do I know?

Second, the Peter Principle is in full effect in this world. Being labeled an "expert" doesn't make you exceptionally competent.

For another, the pressure to WIN NOW is immense. Nate has always leaned toward, "play your ass off now, win this game in front of you, and worry about the next game tommorow."

That mindset may lead to more success overall than not. But, it does not mean that fans who critisize the team for potentially overplaying Aldridge are all fucking idiots who "no nothing".

Your repeatedly trotting out that argument ("experts" know more than you morons) is tiresome.

Since you seem to know... what is the magic number of minutes that LMA should be playing?

 

[maxiep]

I'll take Dallas over San Antonio or LA any day of the week.

Yep. That's why last night was so huge. SA has another gear in the playoffs; we've seen it too many times. We'd be lucky to break 80 points in any game in which we play them. And LA in the first round? It's an 8 on 5 sweep.

 

[maxiep]

LA certainly wasn't the problem last night.

 

[STOMP]

You know what "experts" in their field making choices proves about the perfection of those choices? NOTHING.

First, folks makes mistakes, including experts.

You think the engineers at Fukishima made good choices in the first week after the earthquake? I mean shit, they are experts. What the fuck do I know?

Second, the Peter Principle is in full effect in this world. Being labeled an "expert" doesn't make you exceptionally competent.

For another, the pressure to WIN NOW is immense. Nate has always leaned toward, "play your ass off now, win this game in front of you, and worry about the next game tommorow."

That mindset may lead to more success overall than not. But, it does not mean that fans who critisize the team for potentially overplaying Aldridge are all fucking idiots who "no nothing".

Your repeatedly trotting out that argument ("experts" know more than you morons) is tiresome.

Seriously, how could you make a bigger ass of yourself? It's like you got on a meth bender for months on end and decided to share.

get a fucking grip. Read, comprehend, and respond after you've had a couple nights rest

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

I don't agree with STOMP on the minutes thing with LMA. At. All. I haven't seen BGrantFan for a while, but when I do, I'll get his opinion as well.

 

[RoyToy]

Aldridge saying he's dead tired for like 2 months now isn't enough for some people. They want....data?