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magnifier661 said:
He is 1st in FGM, 7th in Blocks, 8th in rebounds, 6th in assists, 2nd in FTA, 1st in FTM, and 6th in double doubles for PFs in all the NBA.
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Pretty good for a stat padder. Next goal, win some games, instead of folding in the 4th quarter.
 
i hate top 5 pfs that arent perfect in every way, might as well give them away
 
He's not perfect (or remotely close) in ANY way. The one thing that he's suppose to be supremely good at (shooting), he's only average at.
 
blue9 said:
If ifs and buts were something something...

And can you imagine what numbers Hickson would be putting up if he had ANY plays ran for him?
Let's see, he's playing 10 fewer minutes, taking 10 fewer shots, is shooting 10% better, and is averaging only 10 points less....
C'mon people - PPG really doesn't measure much beyond how much a player is used in the offense. There have always been bad players averaging 20+ PPG.
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This is a really flawed post. LMA plays so many minutes because we are worse when he is not on the court. He has to be out there.

But I hate to point this out, but when most players get tired, they don't play as well. There are a few super stars like MJ who never seemed to get tired, but for the most part it holds true. JJ does hustle his ass of when he is in there, which is good because that is what he is, a hustle player. But he can't do that for 40 minutes a game.

LMA is a top player in this league. He may be a little over paid and he may not be a super star, but the bottom line is replacing him would be difficult. I have watched the Blazers for 40 years and we have maybe had 3-4 PF's as good has him that whole time. Forget about this fucking bullshit leadership role you all think he has to have because how much money he makes and just focus on what he does bring most nights. Every team would love to have LMA. Not sure why some of you can't figure out that it is a team game and one player is only part of that puzzle. Hell 2-3 good players can't do it on their own.

LMA is a stud. Not perfect, but none-the-less better than most PF's we have ever had. JJ Hickson is not a better option. Very few player in this league are. Just surround him with better talent.
 
His shooting percentage is down this year, but there's something interesting about that; while he is missing half a shot more (8.3 FGM vs 8.8 last season), he's also shooting one more shot (18.2 vs 17.1) per game. So, to get back up to his previous shooting level, he needs to make one more shot per game. If he could grab and extra Offensive Rebound every other game, that'd help too.
 
No, the flaw is thinking that LMA (or the PF position in general) can be built around and become a contender. Yes - he gives us points, but we'd be far better suited getting those points from other players and having a PF who focuses on the hustle element of the game, making those around him better. Hickson, while perhaps not as "skilled" (I still would like to know what specific skills LMA has that make him such a "stud"), plays the position better than LMA does. Buck Williams was not a tremendously skilled offensive player - but he sure as heck was a much better PF.

LMA needs to be traded to a team where he can be a complimentary player, not the star. Examples: Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol. They both sucked as the primary option. They both won championships as ancillary players. And I'm sorry, but LMA isn't as skilled as either of them. I'm talking raw basketball skills - shooting, dribbling, passing, boxing out, setting picks, posting up, rebounding. If TOR could barely get to the POs in the East with Bosh what makes us think we're going to do better in the West with a worse player?
 
blue9 said:
And where does he rank in minutes played? It's all tied to how much he's used, not how good he is.

And back to the magic number of 20ppg - Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis, OJ Mayo, David Lee, Brook Lopez, Bargnani, Blake Griffin, Amare, Stephen Jackson, Tyreke Evans, Chris Bosh, Devin Harris, David West, Ben Gordon, Al Harrington, Richard Jefferson, Corey Maggette, Boozer, Crawford, Marion, Bibby, Mike James, Antoine Walker, Marbury, Stackhouse, Jalen Rose... those are just a fraction of the players who have averaged 20+ppg over the last 10ish years.

Yes, most starters in the NBA could average 20ppg if given the opportunity. They would also mostly lead their teams to the lotto doing it.
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Yes that's tied to efficiency. And his efficiency is 20.5; which is top five in all pf in the nba
 
blue9 said:
No, the flaw is thinking that LMA (or the PF position in general) can be built around and become a contender. Yes - he gives us points, but we'd be far better suited getting those points from other players and having a PF who focuses on the hustle element of the game, making those around him better. Hickson, while perhaps not as "skilled" (I still would like to know what specific skills LMA has that make him such a "stud"), plays the position better than LMA does. Buck Williams was not a tremendously skilled offensive player - but he sure as heck was a much better PF.

LMA needs to be traded to a team where he can be a complimentary player, not the star. Examples: Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol. They both sucked as the primary option. They both won championships as ancillary players. And I'm sorry, but LMA isn't as skilled as either of them. I'm talking raw basketball skills - shooting, dribbling, passing, boxing out, setting picks, posting up, rebounding. If TOR could barely get to the POs in the East with Bosh what makes us think we're going to do better in the West with a worse player?
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Yeah this seems really familiar. I remembered the same was said about another scoring pf named Zach. Now he's on a team that is in playoff contention and he is having one of the best career years of his nba career.

I can't imagine how good this team would have been if management didn't listen to people like you. We would have Durant, any guard, Roy for a couple years, Zach and Aldridge. Instead we jumped the gun and are still feeling the sting from the terrible decisions we made.
 
blue9 said:
No, the flaw is thinking that LMA (or the PF position in general) can be built around and become a contender.

LMA needs to be traded to a team where he can be a complimentary player, not the star.
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So don't build the team around him. Why trade him to a team so he can be a complimentary player (and probably win a championship) when you can keep him and have him as complimentary player on this team?

Unless you subscribe to the fantasy that every fan, on every team has, that you can trade one of your best players for better pieces.Rarely happens. Nice dream. We all have them. But the reality is the odds are against you. A better philosophy is when you get good players, try to keep them.
 
While I agree Aldridge isn't the star player on a championship team, he'd still play a very valuable role in getting to that point.

The best way to win in the NBA is to have star players, yes. It's proven (obvious/duh).

The way the Blazers are going to have to win is go the Detroit Pistons/Dallas Mavericks route. Have a collection of really good players who aren't quite stars and be 7-8-9 deep.
 
RoyToy said:
While I agree Aldridge isn't the star player on a championship team, he'd still play a very valuable role in getting to that point.

The best way to win in the NBA is to have star players, yes. It's proven (obvious/duh).

The way the Blazers are going to have to win is go the Detroit Pistons/Dallas Mavericks route. Have a collection of really good players who aren't quite stars and be 7-8-9 deep.
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Or, go the Spurs route and get lucky with a franchise/MVP-level player in the lottery.
 
jlprk said:
Among PFs he is 6th per game, 19th per 48 minutes. His stats are inflated by playing so many minutes.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/13/5/eff/1-3

I'm in favor of trading him only for another star (no older than him), so the argument that says, hold on to a star when you have one, doesn't work against me.
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That is the biggest horse shit argument I've read so far. So if someone scores 2 points a game in 4 per game; then that person can score 20 points a game right? See how this straw man is weak right?
 
magnifier661 said:
That is the biggest horse shit argument I've read so far. So if someone scores 2 points a game in 4 per game; then that person can score 20 points a game right? See how this straw man is weak right?
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Your claim that his inflated minutes have no effect upon his stats is the stink here. You bragged that he is 5th among PFs in efficiency. So he'd still be 5th if he played 4 minutes per game? See how your argument is weak right?
 
jlprk said:
Your claim that his inflated minutes have no effect upon his stats is the stink here. You bragged that he is 5th among PFs in efficiency. So he'd still be 5th if he played 4 minutes per game? See how your argument is weak right?
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No I see how your argument is wrong because of his on PER. What efficiency tells you is that he is outperforming all but 4 other PFs in the game; even if they had the same amount of minutes. And with your statement; you based your analogy on "EFF" basis, than actual PER.
 
jlprk said:
Among PFs he is 6th per game, 19th per 48 minutes. His stats are inflated by playing so many minutes.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/13/5/eff/1-3

I'm in favor of trading him only for another star (no older than him), so the argument that says, hold on to a star when you have one, doesn't work against me.
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Oh and based on your site reference.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketbal...s/players/lamarcus-aldridge/profile/13/25/352

Aldridge out performend these players: J. Thompson +6, Mullens +23, Thompson again +6, Maxiell +25, Patterson +18, Robinson +4, Patterson again +19, Collison +6.

Then he only really was outperformed greatly by K. Love -19. In fact, the most efficient PF (Duncan); he almost was tied in performance.

So you see your argument is not even close to valid. Aldridge has gone toe to toe with some of the best PFs in the league and did just as well as they did.
 
magnifier661 said:
No I see how your argument is wrong because of his on PER. What efficiency tells you is that he is outperforming all but 4 other PFs in the game; even if they had the same amount of minutes. And with your statement; you based your analogy on "EFF" basis, than actual PER.
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http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=facepalm&go=&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=facepalm&sc=8-8&sp=-1&sk=

Look. YOU brought up efficiency, so I was ANSWERING that.

magnifier661 said:
Yes that's tied to efficiency. And his efficiency is 20.5; which is top five in all pf in the nba
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Now, you say my answer is irrelevant--because it's about efficiency, not PER!
 
I love how no matter what the topic is...... All arguments come back to PER and +\-
 
jlprk said:
That page shows that Aldridge outplays non-all stars, and gets outplayed by all stars. In other words, he's a bottom of the barrel all star. (That page doesn't take into account each player's minutes, and whether they actually guarded each other.)
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Makes him a Top 24 player, at the very least, and top 7 for the 'best of the rest' in the Western Conference.

There are at least 10 teams that can't even make that claim, when you include teams with multiple All-Stars.

I wonder why some of you even follow the team. Your opinion seems to be that JJ Hickson is more valuable than LMA. It's laughable to me, and it should be laughable to anybody who knows anything about basketball.
 
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BlazerCaravan said:
Also makes him top 4-6 in his position. :lol:
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PF is more competitive in the West, too, in terms of making the All-Star team.

Top 4 or even Top 3 isn't out of the question. But, trade him. He isn't an MVP-level player. The Blazers have All-NBA players and All-Stars every year, so LMA will be easily replaced.
 
PapaG said:
Horrible. Trade him for a lesser player, and hope in the future to get 2 players better than LMA somehow.
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Or we could trade him for a better player, as I advocate. Every year, a Chris Paul or a Dwight Howard gets traded for much less than an Aldridge. The only issue is whether we can hold on to the star, not whether we can get a better player than Aldridge for Aldridge.
 
jlprk said:
Or we could trade him for a better player, as I advocate. Every year, a Chris Paul or a Dwight Howard gets traded for much less than an Aldridge. The only issue is whether we can hold on to the star, not whether we can get a better player than Aldridge for Aldridge.
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Exactly; the trade isn't a better player for Aldridge. It's one year of a better player, and a lottery ticket we might win, but probably won't, with the prize being a better player than Aldridge for more than one year. That's a big gamble.
 
Not worth it when you consider how long other great PF's are lasting, Duncan KG
 
In 1997 the Sonics prepared to trade Shawn Kemp (age 27, same as Aldridge now). Wally Walker knew he could have anyone except Jordan (see list). He was offered Karl Malone a month after Malone won league MVP. How did he decide on who to take from this list?

http://bkref.com/tiny/a2XDF

Walker chose Vin Baker (age 25), way down at #20, because Baker was on a new contract. He was sewn up for several years and the Sonics wouldn't have to worry about his ditching them.

THAT'S how you do it. EASY.

(Although I admit that Aldridge is no Kemp, so choices would be a little more limited, but still very plentiful.)
 
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