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Baker had been on the all-star team 3 straight years when the Sonics got him. Anyway, I was answering this objection, that we can't hold anyone we get for Aldridge if he's better than Aldridge. I said, simply trade for someone early in their contract, and by the end of it make sure he's happy here.

Exactly; the trade isn't a better player for Aldridge. It's one year of a better player, and a lottery ticket we might win, but probably won't, with the prize being a better player than Aldridge for more than one year. That's a big gamble.
 
Baker had been on the all-star team 3 straight years when the Sonics got him. Anyway, I was answering this objection, that we can't hold anyone we get for Aldridge if he's better than Aldridge. I said, simply trade for someone early in their contract, and by the end of it make sure he's happy here.

Except you didn't say that at all. By evoking Chris Paul and Dwight Howard, you contradict yourself. Both players were traded because they were at the end of their contract and wouldn't resign.

That isn't to say your scenario couldn't happen, where a younger, better player early in a large contract comes available for an older, less good player later in their contract. Owners love cap space. But there's no scenario like that right now: LA being Top 5 in his position makes the "better" part harder to accomplish; and being early in a contract and only 27 makes the "younger" part harder to accomplish too. Never mind that Paul Allen probably still hates the possibility of repeating a Jermaine Oneal for Dale Davis.
 
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I said it here.

Walker chose Vin Baker (age 25), way down at #20, because Baker was on a new contract. He was sewn up for several years and the Sonics wouldn't have to worry about his ditching them.

As for it being hard to trade up because he's top 5, he's the worst top 5 I've ever seen. It's easy to find a list of players who would be more effective for us. Start with a list of everyone with a PER over 17 and winnow it down. We can get almost any of them for him.
 
I said it here.



As for it being hard to trade up because he's top 5, he's the worst top 5 I've ever seen. It's easy to find a list of players who would be more effective for us. Start with a list of everyone with a PER over 17 and winnow it down. We can get almost any of them for him.

Your assumptions are so bias and for your own personal agenda it's not even funny. You state Aldridge is the worst top 5 player in his class is only YOUR opinion. And you are damn straight we could get any of those players for him. Reason? Well because they aren't even close to his value.
 
What a social error. All this time I should have been writing YOUR opinions.
 
I love how no matter what the topic is...... All arguments come back to PER and +\-
Two bogus, made up stats that are so filled with mud they really don't tell you anything useful. Hollinger may be very smart when it comes to numbers - but he's an idiot when it comes to applying them to basketball. PER is garbage.
 
Yeah this seems really familiar. I remembered the same was said about another scoring pf named Zach. Now he's on a team that is in playoff contention and he is having one of the best career years of his nba career.

I can't imagine how good this team would have been if management didn't listen to people like you.
Except for the fact that I was one of the few people who actually LIKED Zbo and didn't feel like trading him to make way for a pansy PF was the direction we should have gone. ZBo is so much more skilled than LMA it's not even funny.
 
Guess we'll all have to agree to disagree about Aldridge. Only time will tell if he will reach his full potential. In the meantime, let's hear from somebody who actually has credibility:

NBAGM said:
LaMarcus Aldridge has been accused of being a little bit soft. What's your take on the criticism in Portland in regards to that.

"The Portland papers, and we've had the same writers that have been here forever, I don't know what they're looking at because the guy is all banged up. His back is jacked up, his wrist is messed up, he plays every night. He's been asked to do a lot more this year in terms of facilitating throughout he pinch post because that's the offensive system we're running. It's not his natural position; he's a left block, left elbow player. And I think he's adopted well. Look, he's averaging more field goal attempts than he ever has, he's averaging more assists that he ever has, he's a higher usage player. Last night, we clearly had an advantage down low, he went down low. There are nights when we feel like we open the floor up more if he's away from the basket at the high post or the elbow. He's sacrificed his own game for that and a little bit of his efficiency. I think what happens, and Mateen can attest to this, when you bring in a new coach and a new system it's going to take 20 or 25 games for everybody to learn the system and then once everybody gets how we want to play, now we can tweak it and run more isolation and get him more touches in his sweet spot and that's what you've seen the last six or seven games. His efficiency has gone through the roof because he's getting more touches in his comfort zone. LaMarcus is anything but soft. The guy had 12 rebounds last night, he's guarding fours, he's guarding fives, he's playing a ton of minutes, he's playing hurt. He's gone from being a part of a veteran core to being the franchise player and the leader in the locker room. That's not the easiest adjustment either because we've got ever opposing defense schemed to stop him. He was getting double and tripled all night last night, be battled through it, he had a high efficiency game, he got to the line, he was eight for eight from the line. All but seven of his attempts last night were in the paint, so anybody who thinks LaMarcus Aldridge is soft hasn't been around our organization or they're not very cognizant of what is going on around our league."

Transcript: Neil Olshey On What Lillard Needs To Improve And Why Aldridge Isn't Soft
 
Your person with "credibility" is just Olshey defending his player. Of course he'll do that. Olshey says this is temporary and Aldridge is banged up. But Aldridge has had the same problems for his whole career, and it's more than softness. It's also coordination and unquick responses to actions of other players.
 
Except for the fact that I was one of the few people who actually LIKED Zbo and didn't feel like trading him to make way for a pansy PF was the direction we should have gone. ZBo is so much more skilled than LMA it's not even funny.

I don't see what the point of bringing up Zach has to do with Aldridge being a good player. I was one that agreed he should have stayed too. Why does this matter?
 
I don't see what the point of bringing up Zach has to do with Aldridge being a good player. I was one that agreed he should have stayed too. Why does this matter?
I dunno - you're the one who brought him into the discussion. You're the one who said people like me ran Zbo out of town. There have been a handful of Blazers that I have wanted to run out of town:

Travis Outlaw
Derek Anderson
Nate McMillan
Gerald Wallace
LMA - and really, he's a very distant 5th to the others. I wanted the others gone and didn't care if we got anything back. I actually want a good return if we're going to get rid of LMA. And honestly, I'd love even more for him to develop some killer skills and do the dirty work that a PF is suppose to do.
 
I actually want a good return if we're going to get rid of LMA. And honestly, I'd love even more for him to develop some killer skills and do the dirty work that a PF is suppose to do.

The game has changed. Not sure if you heard the Patrick Ewing interview this morning on Dan Patrick, but his point is the game has evolved. Miami and Dallas as we have discussed has help change it. The stretch 4's make it hard for big guys like Gasol to defend. Guys like LMA are not always under the basket to do the dirty work. Roles are not that defined anymore.

Yes you need someone to do the dirty work, but who it is could change nightly depending on who you are playing.
 
I dunno - you're the one who brought him into the discussion. You're the one who said people like me ran Zbo out of town. There have been a handful of Blazers that I have wanted to run out of town:

Travis Outlaw
Derek Anderson
Nate McMillan
Gerald Wallace
LMA - and really, he's a very distant 5th to the others. I wanted the others gone and didn't care if we got anything back. I actually want a good return if we're going to get rid of LMA. And honestly, I'd love even more for him to develop some killer skills and do the dirty work that a PF is suppose to do.

Really? I want proof that I accused you of running Zach out of town.
 
Yeah this seems really familiar. I remembered the same was said about another scoring pf named Zach. Now he's on a team that is in playoff contention and he is having one of the best career years of his nba career.

I can't imagine how good this team would have been if management didn't listen to people like you.
"People like you". Just saying. No offense taken - I just felt the need to point out that I actually liked Zbo. And I liked Sheed too, since I'm weighing in on "objectionable" Blazers PFs.
 
"People like you". Just saying. No offense taken - I just felt the need to point out that I actually liked Zbo. And I liked Sheed too, since I'm weighing in on "objectionable" Blazers PFs.

Oh my mistake. I meant people running Zach out of town even when he was filling the stats; like you are currently are trying to do with Aldridge. So in the end; Aldridge could be run out and have the success of Zach now.
 
The game has changed. Not sure if you heard the Patrick Ewing interview this morning on Dan Patrick, but his point is the game has evolved. Miami and Dallas as we have discussed has help change it. The stretch 4's make it hard for big guys like Gasol to defend. Guys like LMA are not always under the basket to do the dirty work. Roles are not that defined anymore.

Yes you need someone to do the dirty work, but who it is could change nightly depending on who you are playing.
Personally, I think it's a phase that's been caused by a general lack of talented Cs, and not an "evolution" as it seems like Ewing may be suggesting. The league responds to the talent that it has - over the past decade+ there has been very little in the way of C depth, and there really hasn't been any dominant C since Shaq. However, that might be changing. It appears that there are more quality Cs in the league today than there has been in a very long time - young ones too. As they develop, if any of them become dominant you'll see teams trying to compete at the C position again. But regardless of C or PF, those two positions are and always will be responsible for (a) protecting the paint and (b) rebounding - those things come with the territory (being tall).

I have nothing against PFs who shoot long jumpers - it's a terrific tool to have. BUT it shouldn't be the primary tool. AND - LMA just isn't as good a shooter as you think he is. (Maybe not you, Pinwheel - not trying to single you out here. But most people have the misconception that LMA is a terrific shooter.)
 
Oh my mistake. I meant people running Zach out of town even when he was filling the stats; like you are currently are trying to do with Aldridge. So in the end; Aldridge could be run out and have the success of Zach now.
The difference for me is that while their stats and W/L records may be similar, their skills aren't. I could see that Zach had superior skills at his position. Other than defense he was very skilled at all other facets of the game - able to stick the outside jumper, face up & put the ball on the floor, play out of the post, pass from the high post, rebound, great hands, great footwork, quick reactions, coordinated. He could simply do it all. With LMA I can't say the same. I don't see any individual skill that far surpasses that of your average starting PF.
 
LMA I can't say the same. I don't see any individual skill that far surpasses that of your average starting PF.

Very few PF's in the game have a better turn around jumper with a hand in their face than LMA.

Regardless of why the league has more stretch 4's, or where that trend is headed......the point is right now they are a factor. So guys like LMA have to leave the paint to guard them. The C depth has nothing to do with this IMO. Because some centers play better with a pF stretching the floor. Ewing pointed out that Howard excelled with Ryan Anderson on the floor. He doesn't see it working with someone like Pau Gasol.
 
The difference for me is that while their stats and W/L records may be similar, their skills aren't. I could see that Zach had superior skills at his position. Other than defense he was very skilled at all other facets of the game - able to stick the outside jumper, face up & put the ball on the floor, play out of the post, pass from the high post, rebound, great hands, great footwork, quick reactions, coordinated. He could simply do it all. With LMA I can't say the same. I don't see any individual skill that far surpasses that of your average starting PF.

I disagree. Aldridge is a much better defender and scorer. Already proven that. The two things Zach has over Aldridge is rebounding and better post scoring.
 
Hickson has the best PER on the Blazers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2013.html

Hickson is having an historic season.

http://bkref.com/tiny/2M5gH

Aldridge-lovers on this board want to trade Hickson, our most consistent player, at the midseason deadline because they stupidly say he's inconsistent. Or they want to start Leonard, who will never have Hickson's PER of 20. Or they want to dump Hickson so we can sign some free agent this summer half as good as him.

Did I mention that Aldridge doesn't lead the team in PER?
 
Don't want to trade either, would like Leonard to become an All Star center, and Hickson would be amazing off the bench.
 
Hickson has the best PER on the Blazers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2013.html

Hickson is having an historic season.

http://bkref.com/tiny/2M5gH

Aldridge-lovers on this board want to trade Hickson, our most consistent player, at the midseason deadline because they stupidly say he's inconsistent. Or they want to start Leonard, who will never have Hickson's PER of 20. Or they want to dump Hickson so we can sign some free agent this summer half as good as him.

Did I mention that Aldridge doesn't lead the team in PER?

Hickson is quietly becoming indispensably to us imo. A lot of what he doesn't doesn't specifically show up in the box score either.
 
He's not quiet to me. From the moment he got here, he has made fireworks on the floor. He plays the energy way that a good PF plays, correcting teammates' errors and causing opponents' errors. His teammates depend upon him to make their plays work, while snail slouch Aldridge depends upon those same teammates to make his own plays work.

Hickson's nickname could be "Bail 'em out" because he bails out teammates' errors a couple dozen times per game while Aldridge hangs back. "Hang back." A good nickname for Aldridge or Batum, who imitates Aldridge's example.
 
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He's not quiet to me. From the moment he got here, he has made fireworks on the floor. He plays the energy way that a good PF plays, correcting teammates' errors and causing opponents' errors. His teammates depend upon him to make their plays work, while snail slouch Aldridge depends upon those same teammates to make his own plays work.

Hickson's nickname could be "Bail 'em out" because he bails out teammates' errors a couple dozen times per game while Aldridge hangs back. "Hang back." A good nickname for Aldridge or Batum, who imitates Aldridge's example.

This talk is as if you assume Hickson is actually a good defender. From what I've seen; he is hardly one. The thing he is truly good at is rebounding. Other than that; he is a below average scorer in the post and a very below average defender. He is terrible at the pick and roll; and unlike Aldridge he can't pick and pop worth a shit.
 
This talk is as if you assume Hickson is actually a good defender. From what I've seen; he is hardly one. The thing he is truly good at is rebounding. Other than that; he is a below average scorer in the post and a very below average defender. He is terrible at the pick and roll; and unlike Aldridge he can't pick and pop worth a shit.

They obviously don't occupy the same roles, but you can't ignore the stats.

http://bkref.com/tiny/CnOwW
 
Their advanced stats are pretty dang close! Very surprised by the defensive metrics.

Per 36 Minutes

LA PER 19.4, 0.515 TS%, 0.464 eFG%, 26.9 USG%, 7.7 TRB, 0.110 WS/48

Hickson PER 19.9, 0.573 TS%, 0.555 eFG%, 18.6 USG%, 13.1 TRB, 0.149 WS/48
 

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