LMAO Defensive Rating!

[magnifier661]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2013.html#advanced::17

JJ Hickson is the best defender on this team, according to DRtg! Okay, the next time someone uses this to determine how good or bad someone is defensively; I'm gonna laugh.

LMAO!!!! Matthews is one of the worst defenders on this team?!?!?! LMAO!

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^^^^^Can someone explain how to embed these fucking tables?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

DON'T WATCH THE GAME AND THEN POST (ADVANCED STATS)

 

[magnifier661]

DON'T WATCH THE GAME AND THEN POST (ADVANCED STATS)

Yeah it seems too many people put stock on the advanced stats, including myself. Maybe that's why teams still have "scouts" and watch videos to build their defense.

 

[THE HCP]

DON'T WATCH THE GAME AND THEN POST (ADVANCED STATS)

Pres...... you might not believe this, but i just had breakfast with one Terrance Scott aka Cool Nutz Tuesday morning at Cadillac Cafe. He's a very close friend of mine since elementary school. Great guy!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

he's got that playervision!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yeah it seems too many people put stock on the advanced stats, including myself. Maybe that's why teams still have "scouts" and watch videos to build their defense.

and that's why Advanced Stats guys like Daryl Morey don't know what the fuck they doin'.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

That is how bad overall our team and individual defense is.

The number takes into account his player not when other players lose their guy and Hickson doesn't get there to help in time.

So it is a bad stat overall but it shows how bad we need work everywhere.

 

[magnifier661]

That is how bad overall our team and individual defense is.

The number takes into account his player not when other players lose their guy and Hickson doesn't get there to help in time.

So it is a bad stat overall but it shows how bad we need work everywhere.

Yes but it's used quite frequently in here for debate on how bad or better a player is defensively over another one. I want to expose just how inaccurate this stat is as an individual stat.

 

[magnifier661]

And DWS?! LMAO! So Hickson is a better defender than Matthews according to this stat as well? Wow, I can't believe I didn't look this shit up when some posters were trying to post this off as something of merit!

 

[crowTrobot]

FWIW oppenent PER while playing primary position

batum (SF) 12.8
lillard (PG) 13.6
matthews (SG) 14.5
LMA (PF) 16.4
hickson (C) 19.4

hickson (at PF) 26.5
LMA (at C) 12.5

 

[crowTrobot]

apparently the best thing we can do is look for a shot-blocking defensive minded PF in the offseason and use LMA primarily on centers

 

[magnifier661]

FWIW oppenent PER while playing primary position

batum (SF) 12.8
lillard (PG) 13.6
matthews (SG) 14.5
LMA (PF) 16.4
hickson (C) 19.4

hickson (at PF) 26.5
LMA (at C) 12.5

Wow thanks for the link! That tells a lot!

It's amazing on the stat of Lillard. Maybe he isn't as bad of a defender as we thought

 

[The_Lillard_King]

That is how bad overall our team and individual defense is.

The number takes into account his player not when other players lose their guy and Hickson doesn't get there to help in time.

So it is a bad stat overall but it shows how bad we need work everywhere.

Were the Blazers this bad defensively in the past years . . . or is this all on Stotts?

 

[magnifier661]

Were the Blazers this bad defensively in the past years . . . or is this all on Stotts?

We were much better defensively last season; believe it or not.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Were the Blazers this bad defensively in the past years . . . or is this all on Stotts?

Outside of Camby we basically were this bad in previous years:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2012.html#advanced::17

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2011.html#advanced::17

 

[KeepOnRollin]

We were much better defensively last season; believe it or not.

Better but not much better at all. At least according to the stats (which we now don't care much for).

 

[crowTrobot]

It's amazing on the stat of Lillard. Maybe he isn't as bad of a defender as we thought

or it means the blazers are good at helping out on PGs, but terrible against PFs.

basically our pick and roll D sucks

 

[VanillaGorilla]

He also has the best PER on the team..

 

[magnifier661]

or it means the blazers are good at helping out on PGs, but terrible against PFs.

basically our pick and roll D sucks

I wish Stotts develops that swarming help D next season. I think we have the players quick and long enough to make it happen. It could solve a lot of issues.

 

[JDC]

Being the best defensive rebounder on the team has a lot to do with this.

 

[Hobbesarable]

That is how bad overall our team and individual defense is.

The number takes into account his player not when other players lose their guy and Hickson doesn't get there to help in time.

So it is a bad stat overall but it shows how bad we need work everywhere.

You don't need the stat to know that. Watching the defense during the game is painful enough!

 

[Hobbesarable]

I wish Stotts develops that swarming help D next season. I think we have the players quick and long enough to make it happen. It could solve a lot of issues.

That will require players with quick reaction time and movement. Some of our players don't strike me as "quick."

 

[magnifier661]

That will require players with quick reaction time and movement. Some of our players don't strike me as "quick."

Those players that swarm are usually the wings. I think Matthews, batum and Lillard are pretty quick; but batum should be the main wanderer. He is actually quick and long.

The bigs just need to protect the post.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Those players that swarm are usually the wings. I think Matthews, batum and Lillard are pretty quick; but batum should be the main wanderer. He is actually quick and long.

The bigs just need to protect the post.

Preferably, I'd like to have two good post defenders. These guys can score when needed, although I rather have them anchor the D. Then have the wings as the perimeter defenders that can score quickly.

I like the makeup of our team with LA and Hickson as the exceptions. LA can score, but I'm not keen on his defense. And Hickson is not a premier defender. We are missing that brute force in the middle. It'll be difficult for our team to get a great defender at the 5 as a free agent. Trading for one would be the most likely scenario.

 

[Blazinaway]

Were the Blazers this bad defensively in the past years . . . or is this all on Stotts?

or is a lot of it on the guy in charge of D - Canales? It's funny, I ask this question here from time to time and it just gets ignored, does no one think he might be a lousy coach?

 

[Hobbesarable]

or is a lot of it on the guy in charge of D - Canales? It's funny, I ask this question here from time to time and it just gets ignored, does no one think he might be a lousy coach?

Stotts should have control of his staff. Let him determine that at season's end.

 

[magnifier661]

or is a lot of it on the guy in charge of D - Canales? It's funny, I ask this question here from time to time and it just gets ignored, does no one think he might be a lousy coach?

I've responded to the Canales questioning as a defensive coordinator. I've repeatedly answered "Obviously he is not that good!"

 

[Blazinaway]

I've responded to the Canales questioning as a defensive coordinator. I've repeatedly answered "Obviously he is not that good!"

sorry, I always seem to forget what U say, probaly it's the quantity of posts thingy

 

[BBert]

Were the Blazers this bad defensively in the past years . . . or is this all on Stotts?

You mean Canales?

Edit: I see this was already covered.

 

[BBert]

or is a lot of it on the guy in charge of D - Canales? It's funny, I ask this question here from time to time and it just gets ignored, does no one think he might be a lousy coach?

I think Canales is in over his head trying to coax defense out of players in general, Hickson in particular. I think it's a lot easier to get players to follow instructions on offense. But on defense, with the type of mental focus and physical effort and energy it takes to play consistent good defense, within the defensive scheme, giant basketball players whose contract depends on points and rebounds are more likely to just tune out Skippy the AV guy.