OT ...lol...now the Pats supposed used "deflated balls"?

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bern_baby_bern said:
More sweeping. It's not just some BS story and it's not sour grapes. It's cheating and how could we know how long they've been cheating like this. We don't, and you know what? They DON'T get any benefit of the doubt.
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...uhhh, see the previous reply. No one is sweeping anything...not sure why you're doing this, bern.
bern_baby_bern said:
...and before the investigation people were giving them the benefit of the doubt and laughing this away. I sure wasn't given their track record.
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...ahhh, I see...guilty until proven innocent. But if it makes you feel better to pound your chest about this, fine.

...cheating is cheating, but if under inflated balls gave them that much of an advantage, it kinda makes you wonder how they ever lost a game.
 
What's worse, me suspecting that a previous cheater was cheating again or laughing it off ala Brady? I'm not pounding my chest but I found it ridiculous that so many were willing to call it a non-story when if there was any truth to it at all it is, in fact, a pretty big story.

I don't care what your take with losing games is, cheating is cheating and the Patriots* are proven cheater (for a second time!!!!!!).

Why call for integrity in one sport but then belittle cheating here because of your perceived level of it in this case? It's cheating plain and simple, and they're a repeat offender.
 
bern_baby_bern said:
Why call for integrity in one sport but then belittle cheating here because of your perceived level of it in this case? It's cheating plain and simple, and they're a repeat offender.
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...one more time bern, speaking only for myself, my comments were made BEFORE any of us knew the facts.
 
Good. So, now that the assumed innocence is over and they've been proven to have had 11 of 12 under inflated balls we ALL know that they cheated. Best thing that could happen in my eyes is that the Pats* win the game, further exposing the NFL as a game with little integrity.
 
i would bet that most teams do exactly this, or over inflate them to their QBs specifications

non story for me, it just doesnt matter
 
Sorry I don't see how an under-inflated ball could be any more of an advantage than an over inflated ball. IMO, it really doesn't matter.

You work with what you've been given. An under inflated ball in all honestly will only give a kicker fits when trying to connect with the long FG.

Otherwise someone edumucate me...!
 
...^^^ I suppose it depends on the individual QB's preference...some QBs like a softer ball, some prefer a harder one. Brad Johnson even paid $7500 to scuff up all 100 Super Bowl balls before his game vs the Raiders in SB 37.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...^^^ I suppose it depends on the individual QB's preference...some QBs like a softer ball, some prefer a harder one. Brad Johnson even paid $7500 to scuff up all 100 Super Bowl balls before his game vs the Raiders in SB 37.
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ah I did not know about Johnson paying to scuff up balls, sounds fair IMO. Those pigskins are slippery as snot...!
 
Mattingly23NY said:
Sorry I don't see how an under-inflated ball could be any more of an advantage than an over inflated ball. IMO, it really doesn't matter.

You work with what you've been given. An under inflated ball in all honestly will only give a kicker fits when trying to connect with the long FG.

Otherwise someone edumucate me...!
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If the same ball was used by both teams it's a different story, but each offense uses their own ball. If you can't understand the benefit of an under inflated ball (now reported at 16% less than required by the NFL) in wet weather then I'm going to let that one go. As for the kickers, that would explain the 12th fully inflated ball.

I don't understand why the NFL wouldn't fully control the balls that come in. The team should have no hand in the balls being played. Now their darlings are exposed (further) as the cheaters they are and the sport comes out with egg on its face.
 
...actually from what I read, there are 6 balls in each game designated for kicking only.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...actually from what I read, there are 6 balls in each game designated for kicking only.
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That makes more sense. I wouldn't think they'd intermingle those balls. I still don't get why the NFL expects or allows teams to produce the balls. I suspect that might change now.
 
...oh, I'm sure there will be some fallout and some changes. If the reports are true about the balls being under inflated by 2 pounds, that's 4 pounds difference between what the highest PSI allowed is...that's a big gap and if a QB can tell the difference enough to prefer a softer football, I'm still amazed that the Ref who spots the ball on every play for both teams didn't notice it. Like I said earlier, hell, the Ref touches the balls more often than anyone else on the field.
...I know it was a cold and rainy day, but still.
 
multiple (mostly college) players, including QBs, from cold-weather schools called in to Cowherd today to say that it's not so much for the QB, though it helps those with smaller hands in colder/wetter conditions, but for RBs because under-inflated balls can be gripped harder without squeezing out (they reported, though I haven't looked it up myself, that no Patriot RB fumbled the ball in 18 games this year, which seems amazing to me). Additionally, 2 receivers said that it's much easier to catch an under-inflated ball in cold/wet weather because the same thing...you can squeeze it more to "keep" the catch rather than having a hard rock bounce off your hands.

But I keep going back to, if you don't think there's a tangible benefit to an under-inflated ball, that's fine, but obviously the Patriots do.
 
All I know is that when I touch my balls I can tell...................well, never mind.
 
You'd think the NFL could have a gameball czar for playoffs? I can't wait to see all the public service commercials following fiasco.
 
BrianFromWA said:
multiple (mostly college) players, including QBs, from cold-weather schools called in to Cowherd today to say that it's not so much for the QB, though it helps those with smaller hands in colder/wetter conditions, but for RBs because under-inflated balls can be gripped harder without squeezing out (they reported, though I haven't looked it up myself, that no Patriot RB fumbled the ball in 18 games this year, which seems amazing to me). Additionally, 2 receivers said that it's much easier to catch an under-inflated ball in cold/wet weather because the same thing...you can squeeze it more to "keep" the catch rather than having a hard rock bounce off your hands.

But I keep going back to, if you don't think there's a tangible benefit to an under-inflated ball, that's fine, but obviously the Patriots do.
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yes, I can see an advantage to a deflated ball at 4.0 lbs +0 / -1.0

Take a look at the Bengals, Chargers AFC game. -32 with Wind Chill Factor. A 10-0 game by 2 great air teams, ON ASTROTURF, who said 'it was like catching a brick', or 'it would make you think you broke your fingers'. And- 'when hitting the turf from being tackled, often was like a collision with a brick wall'.......NTM- In that game played 1-10-81, in Cleveland; I recall numerous line men, receivers, running backs, you name it going out on stretchers, cuz the field was harder than cement. In those type of conditions, sure a deflated ball would be a bonus. But for the last game, methinks spoiled sour milk, or Indy Fans....!
 
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Take the running backs and receivers out of it. Brady is the one who would want the balls a certain way. I understand the backs don't fumble much but they aren't a running team. They went off on the Colts twice with the running game this year but look at the Ravens game. They trailed by 14 twice and hardly ran.
 
Mattingly23NY said:
yes, I can see an advantage to a deflated ball at 4.0 lbs +0 / -1.0

Take a look at the Bengals, Chargers AFC game. -32 with Wind Chill Factor. A 10-0 game by 2 great air teams, ON ASTROTURF, who said 'it was like catching a brick', or 'it would make you think you broke your fingers'. And- 'when hitting the turf from being tackled, often was like a collision with a brick wall'.......NTM- In that game played 1-10-81, in Cleveland; I recall numerous line men, receivers, running backs, you name it going out on stretchers, cuz the field was harder than cement. In those type of conditions, sure a deflated ball would be a bonus. But for the last game, methinks spoiled sour milk, or Indy Fans....!
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The Giants and Packers played in 30 below during the NFC Championship. The ball was the last thing anyone complained about.
 
...something I just discovered, according to Chris Simms, each team's ball boy is stationed on the opposing team's sideline.
 
Brady claiming he has no idea what happened. He approved the balls before they went to the referee and knows nothing after that.
 
The ideal gas law says that for an NFL sized football to drop 2 psi due to a temperature change, it would need to have dropped 40°F from when they were filled til game time..... Game time temp was 52°F.... I highly doubt the balls were inflated at 92°F...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law
 
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