Lonely loser who can't get laid snaps and goes on Santa Barbara shooting spree.

[BlazerCaravan]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-barbara-shooter-sick-words-article-1.1804761

He is an attractive looking guy, but hearing him talk, it's clear he's a huge asshole with a huge ego.

He looks like The Scarecrow from the recent Batman movies... not what I'd call attractive.

 

[PapaG]

citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday

I suggest the author move to Syria/Egypt/Nigeria/Libya/Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. etc.

Unless he meant the US is the only country where self-absorbed rich kids think the world owes them a favor because their parents are rich. Why couldn't this murderer just have joined Occupy Wall Street to relieve himself of his guilt?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

IGNORED UNTIL THE BITTER END.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/05/24...irls-saved-from-death-ucsb-campus-california/

His first targets for the evening were the women inside Alpha Phi sorority house.

“He [Elliot] banged on the door, but no one opened the door so he just drove off and opened fire everywhere,” said a student at UCSB who is not a member of the Alpha Phi sorority, but lives on Del Playa Drive right outside of the crime scene where the shooter crashed his car. “Then he crashed his car on Del Playa Drive, which is when the police arrived.”

 

[BlazerCaravan]

IGNORED UNTIL THE BITTER END.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/05/24...irls-saved-from-death-ucsb-campus-california/

Okay, it's a tragedy and everything, but this made me laugh.

 

[PapaG]

Okay, it's a tragedy and everything, but this made me laugh.

The TV movie's interpretation.

He knocks on the door, you can hear laughter inside, yet no one answers the door. He turns to the camera...

[video=youtube;FXXwssdBRYY]

... and SCENE!

 

[Mediocre Man]

It's really tough; my best friend since middle school has some major issues, and it's tough for me to wrap my head around it. I'm not nearly as good a friend as I should be.

My son has some minor issues as well, and it's hard for me to wrap my head around it. Don't be too hard on yourself

 

[Eastoff]

My son has some minor issues as well, and it's hard for me to wrap my head around it. Don't be too hard on yourself

I just wanted to say, that you should express how much you love your son, and try to dispel as much stigma as possible from mental illness. Some people are born with heart conditions, and some people are born with chemical imbalances. There's no shame in that.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I just wanted to say, that you should express how much you love your son, and try to dispel as much stigma as possible from mental illness. Some people are born with heart conditions, and some people are born with chemical imbalances. There's no shame in that.

I'm not sure anyone has or would question how much I love my children. And shame is literally the last thing any of them ever feel when I am around. I guess I just meant I get frustrated some times because he will act like every other Norman Rockwell child in the world one minute and then next he is closer to the Children of the corn version.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I just wanted to say, that you should express how much you love your son, and try to dispel as much stigma as possible from mental illness. Some people are born with heart conditions, and some people are born with chemical imbalances. There's no shame in that.

Its this kind of attitude that produces these psychos who shoot up schools. I mean you can't lock them in a cage or put them in isolation and crap like that, but you have to be honest about one's mental illness. These crazy shooters were all coddled and allowed to "thrive" with their craziness as if they weren't.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Its this kind of attitude that produces these psychos who shoot up schools. I mean you can't lock them in a cage or put them in isolation and crap like that, but you have to be honest about one's mental illness. These crazy shooters were all coddled and allowed to "thrive" with their craziness as if they weren't.

Maybe we should eliminate everyone in the fetus who doesn't measure up to certain standards? Congrats on wanting to be like Hitler.

Maybe next we can eliminate everyone pre disposed to addiction so no one gets killed by a drunk driver?

No one with a large nose, or bucked teeth so no one is bullied?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Maybe we should eliminate everyone in the fetus who doesn't measure up to certain standards? Congrats on wanting to be like Hitler.

Maybe next we can eliminate everyone pre disposed to addiction so no one gets killed by a drunk driver?

No one with a large nose, or bucked teeth so no one is bullied?

Yes, because that's what I'm saying. This guy was clearly crazy, yet I suspect he was brought up in a "supportive" and "nurturing" environment where nothing is ever his fault and everyone else is bullying him and he's a special flower that can't do wrong.

Celebrate his uniqueness, yay!

Pretty sure the rest of the mass shooters are the same way, but GUN CONTROL. VIOLENT MOVIES. SATANIC MUSIC. Not Asperger's, it's never the Aspergers.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

[video=youtube;bQilqOveh2s]

 

[Eastoff]

Its this kind of attitude that produces these psychos who shoot up schools. I mean you can't lock them in a cage or put them in isolation and crap like that, but you have to be honest about one's mental illness. These crazy shooters were all coddled and allowed to "thrive" with their craziness as if they weren't.

Not all humans kill. Not all humans rape. Not all of those with mental illness hurt others. It's broad generalizations that lazy philippinos make, which hurt society. /s

 

[Eastoff]

Yes, because that's what I'm saying. This guy was clearly crazy, yet I suspect he was brought up in a "supportive" and "nurturing" environment where nothing is ever his fault and everyone else is bullying him and he's a special flower that can't do wrong.

Celebrate his uniqueness, yay!

Pretty sure the rest of the mass shooters are the same way, but GUN CONTROL. VIOLENT MOVIES. SATANIC MUSIC. Not Asperger's, it's never the Aspergers.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/elliot-...eeks-before-mass-shooting-20140525-zrne1.html

edit:
I have met you El Pres, you are overweight. Your parents shouldn't have coddled you. You will someday have heart disease. It's bad parenting like you were exposed to that run up medical expense bills and force healthier weighted individuals to foot that bill!!!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Not all humans kill. Not all humans rape. Not all of those with mental illness hurt others. It's broad generalizations that lazy philippinos make, which hurt society. /s

Of course not. Not all young males with Aspergers go on murderous shooting sprees due to their inability to handle social interactions. However, all that go on murderous shooting sprees due to their inability to handle social interactions are young males that have Aspergers or other similar mental disabilities. But we'll just continue to ignore it until the next time it happens.

 

[RR7]

Of course not. Not all young males with Aspergers go on murderous shooting sprees due to their inability to handle social interactions. However, all that go on murderous shooting sprees due to their inability to handle social interactions are young males that have Aspergers or other similar mental disabilities. But we'll just continue to ignore it until the next time it happens.

What exactly do you propose?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://www.smh.com.au/world/elliot-...eeks-before-mass-shooting-20140525-zrne1.html

I believe that Rodgers was being brought up with his mother? Who called the police, the father/step-mother or the mother? From many of the journal entries I read, the mother seemed a bit too coddling. If Rodgers was depressed, she'd start buying him clothes and material possessions.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What exactly do you propose?

Looking into it?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I guess it was the mother who called authorities:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/27/elliot-rodgers-family-tried-to-intervene-before-deadly-rampage/

It was the second time in recent months that Rodger's mother tried to intervene. In April, she had called one of her son's counselors after seeing bizarre videos he had posted on YouTube, though not the disturbing one he posted shortly before the killings, Astaire said. The counselor called a mental health service, which then called police.

Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies who showed up at Rodger's doorstep to check on his mental health, however, weren't aware of any videos, the department's spokeswoman Kelly Hoover said. They concluded after their visit that the well-mannered if shy young man posed no risk.

Sheriff Bill Brown has defended the deputies' actions, but the case highlights the challenges that police face in assessing the mental health of adults, particularly those with no history of violent breakdowns, institutionalizations or serious crimes.

 

[RR7]

Looking into it?

Maybe they are?
But you seem to speak from different angles on it. If your only answer is look into it, the complaints about coddling kids seems odd. Does not coddling them produce the results you want? What's the in between?

 

[Eastoff]

the mother seemed a bit too coddling. If Rodgers was depressed, she'd start buying him clothes and material possessions.

I agree that this is a problem, but I don't think this is the same as saying "it's okay if you need medication."

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Maybe they are?
But you seem to speak from different angles on it. If your only answer is look into it, the complaints about coddling kids seems odd. Does not coddling them produce the results you want? What's the in between?

It doesn't seem that way. In many of these shootings, as has been mentioned on this forum, there have been either autism spectrum disorders or Aspergers (which are now one and the same in the DSM-IV).

I believe that in America, there is a culture in which parents are overprotective, especially when it comes to autism and Aspergers. There are movements to celebrate the genius of high functioning Aspergers, yet, I don't think people are looking into the negative, violent aspects of it. A lot of this is due to parent's denial that there is something off about their kids. The problems are ignored and these psychotic attitudes are fostered ending in these mass shootings. Granted, they are for the most part outliers, but when most of the shooters exhibit these characteristics, there needs to be awareness to spot more of the warning signs and to do something about it.

 

[RR7]

I agree with you about looking into the connection for sure.
It's the "do something about it" part. What, exactly? Do you lock them up knowing it's a possibility? Heavily medicate all for concerns of a few? It's easy to just day do something about it

 

[Further]

Apparently the kid had been seeing counselors for years, and was currently seeing a social worker who actually called the cops. It seems to me, in this case, people around the kid were doing things to try and help the situation. I mean, the called the cops because they saw his creepy videos talking of retribution. So if the parents got psychiatrists and social workers to work with the kid, and they brought in the authorities when they saw dangerous signs, then what else could have been done? It seems to me this is just a sick fuck who was going snap at some point regardless of intervention. Perhaps there could have been different laws, but as things stand I'm not really sure what those laws would be.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I agree with you about looking into the connection for sure.
It's the "do something about it" part. What, exactly? Do you lock them up knowing it's a possibility? Heavily medicate all for concerns of a few? It's easy to just day do something about it

Probably just awareness. People can perhaps see warning signs sooner. Or devise treatment and have a support system where they don't feel so isolated.

You just can't lock people up. I'm not a fan of medication either.

 

[RR7]

Probably just awareness. People can perhaps see warning signs sooner. Or devise treatment and have a support system where they don't feel so isolated.

You just can't lock people up. I'm not a fan of medication either.

So nothing to suggest but support but then you mock him being coddled and being nurtured, etc.

 

[RR7]

Yes, because that's what I'm saying. This guy was clearly crazy, yet I suspect he was brought up in a "supportive" and "nurturing" environment where nothing is ever his fault and everyone else is bullying him and he's a special flower that can't do wrong.

Celebrate his uniqueness, yay!

.

Give him a support system so you can then mock that as "supportive" and"nurturing"

 

[Eastoff]

Apparently the kid had been seeing counselors for years, and was currently seeing a social worker who actually called the cops. It seems to me, in this case, people around the kid were doing things to try and help the situation. I mean, the called the cops because they saw his creepy videos talking of retribution. So if the parents got psychiatrists and social workers to work with the kid, and they brought in the authorities when they saw dangerous signs, then what else could have been done? It seems to me this is just a sick fuck who was going snap at some point regardless of intervention. Perhaps there could have been different laws, but as things stand I'm not really sure what those laws would be.

From the article I linked earlier, the cops came and the kid put on a front of being a really nice guy. So the cops thought he was okay and left.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So nothing to suggest but support but then you mock him being coddled and being nurtured, etc.

There's a big difference between a support system and buying him nordstrom gift cards every time he's depressed. The guy certainly had entitlement issues and that just doesn't appear out of thin air.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

From the article I linked earlier, the cops came and the kid put on a front of being a really nice guy. So the cops thought he was okay and left.

I've been in a situation in which the police were called to assess a threat on someone, through the interview they noted that he was crazy, yet did not do anything and he snapped. Most of the time, unless they threaten directly they are going to do something violent, they won't (and can't) do anything. The only thing they can do is an involuntary psychiatric hold and that requires proof they'll harm themselves or others.