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dviss1 said:
You're just another one rooting for him to fail.
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I watched a ton of his games this season...my criticisms of him don't have anything to do with his dad....he's not athletic enough to bang with the big boys in my view....no muscle....in college he was knocked over by small players all the time. I just think he's hype.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
That's assuming the Lakers draft him at #2 instead of one of the other players they've been working out. I'm not convinced they are taking Ball at 2.
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He's still going Top-6. Even at #10, he'd make $9.1M over three years. If he manages his money wisely, that's more than enough to live on. It's more than I'll likely make in my lifetime.

And I consider myself to make pretty darn good money.
 
dviss1 said:
Not if you just read between the lines and stop being so literal...

Are you a parent? I am and I would LOVE it if my child was able to be so smart or so athletic that his college gets paid for. Otherwise, I'M paying because he's going no matter what. Refereeing basketball pays bills for me so yes basketball and the ability to be around basketball pays my bills.
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all that doesn't make you a good parent or not. My parents were good parents, but I didn't get a college scholarship.

I'd love it if my child wasn't a tool.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
He's still going Top-6. Even at #10, he'd make $9.1M over three years. If he manages his money wisely, that's more than enough to live on. It's more than I'll likely make in my lifetime.

And I consider myself to make pretty darn good money.
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I'm not convinced he goes top 6. But he will probably at least go at 10 when Randaviv thinks they've found the next Curry.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
He's still going Top-6. Even at #10, he'd make $9.1M over three years. If he manages his money wisely, that's more than enough to live on. It's more than I'll likely make in my lifetime.

And I consider myself to make pretty darn good money.
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Daddy may have control over his money, you know.. to 'bolster' Big Baller Brand.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
I'm not convinced he goes top 6. But he will probably at least go at 10 when Randaviv thinks they've found the next Curry.
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Convinced or not.... he's still going to make enough money. I feel good about what I make, but I'd love to make over the course of 25 years what he'll make over the next three years. So, that's more than jack shit to me.
 
LaVar Ball seems like a bit of an asshole in terms of his public persona, but none of us really know how good or bad he is as a father. Maybe he's great. Maybe he's a lunatic.

Lonzo Ball seems like a normal kid. Cocky at times, polite at times--typical young guy. There's no particular reason to root for or against him. I don't hope he fails, though I think some people (and I'm certainly not aiming this at anyone in particular) are getting overly caught up in the hype machine. I don't think he a phenom--he's "merely" a very nice prospect with a dazzling skill.
 
julius said:
all that doesn't make you a good parent or not. My parents were good parents, but I didn't get a college scholarship.

I'd love it if my child wasn't a tool.
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So you're saying Lonzo is a tool?
 
Minstrel said:
LaVar Ball seems like a bit of an asshole in terms of his public persona, but none of us really know how good or bad he is as a father. Maybe he's great. Maybe he's a lunatic.

Lonzo Ball seems like a normal kid. Cocky at times, polite at times--typical young guy. There's no particular reason to root for or against him. I don't hope he fails, though I think some people (and I'm certainly not aiming this at anyone in particular) are getting overly caught up in the hype machine. I don't think he a phenom--he's "merely" a very nice prospect with a dazzling skill.
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Kids are most certainly a reflection of the parenting they are getting. The only way we can judge parenting is to take note of the behavior of the children.

Lonzo is:

Confident
Well spoken
Unselfish
A hard worker

Say what you want about his daddy but those traits come from somewhere and they are all learned traits not inherent.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
More like a mere pawn, for LaVar....
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GTFO with this bull. I can't stand LaVar's mouth but I give credit where it is due when I look at the success of his children. He's raised good kids. Plain and simple.
 
dviss1 said:
GTFO with this bull. I can't stand LaVar's mouth but I give credit where it is due when I look at the success of his children. He's raised good kids. Plain and simple.
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It was sarcasm. AKA.... someone called him a tool, so I was making a play off of it. There are many ways to be a "tool".

That being said, I know nothing about his kids other than what they do on the court, so I'm not judging one way or another.

LaVar, however, is a tool.
 
dviss1 said:
Kids are most certainly a reflection of the parenting they are getting. The only way we can judge parenting is to take note of the behavior of the children.

Lonzo is:

Confident
Well spoken
Unselfish
A hard worker

Say what you want about his daddy but those traits come from somewhere and they are all learned traits not inherent.
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Works so hard that he skipped the combine completely and entered his ONLY pre-draft workout out of shape.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Works so hard that he skipped the combine completely and entered his ONLY pre-draft workout out of shape.
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Every single kid that is considered for the NBA draft has worked hard. Stop it...
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
It was sarcasm. AKA.... someone called him a tool, so I was making a play off of it. There are many ways to be a "tool".

That being said, I know nothing about his kids other than what they do on the court, so I'm not judging one way or another.

LaVar, however, is a tool.
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None have been in trouble in school or with the law. Being an unselfish player is a testament to how you are in real life. There have been no behavior issues nor any semblance of them being bad teammates, headcases, or cancers.

C'mon man. We know who the good kids are. They're easy to spot.
 
dviss1 said:
Kids are most certainly a reflection of the parenting they are getting.
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I don't agree with that at all. That's the "children are nothing but lumps of clay to be molded by parents" image that a lot of people hold about children and parenting which I think is 100% off base. Children have their own personalities, own tendencies, etc. Parents can do their best to guide them down the right paths and provide them love and support so that they have the best environment to self-actualize, but the idea that parents "craft" children into who they become is definitely not true. I've seen great people who had totally scumbag parents and a couple of people who were just awful despite really caring and responsible parents. Even outside of value judgements, a lot of my friends have totally different personalities and standards of behavior than their parents. I would never consider kids to be reflections of their parents/parenting.
 
dviss1 said:
None have been in trouble in school or with the law. Being an unselfish player is a testament to how you are in real life. There have been no behavior issues nor any semblance of them being bad teammates, headcases, or cancers.

C'mon man. We know who the good kids are. They're easy to spot.
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I don't completely agree. I mean, Jason Kidd is a dirtbag. But what a hardworking, unselfish basketball player on the court. I don't recall many or any off-the-court issues with him early on, but maybe there were. And I didn't exactly get warm fuzzies with the high school Ball pointing at the half court line and throwing up a shot from there (I mean, I was impressed from the athletic perspective).

I'm not saying the Ball kids aren't solid kids. I'm just saying I personally don't know enough about them to judge them either way.
 
Minstrel said:
I don't agree with that at all. That's the "children are nothing but lumps of clay to be molded by parents" image that a lot of people hold about children and parenting which I think is 100% off base. Children have their own personalities, own tendencies, etc. Parents can do their best to guide them down the right paths and provide them love and support so that they have the best environment to self-actualize, but the idea that parents "craft" children into who they become is definitely not true. I've seen great people who had totally scumbag parents and a couple of people who were just awful despite really caring and responsible parents. Even outside of value judgements, a lot of my friends have totally different personalities and standards of behavior than their parents. I would never consider kids to be reflections of their parents/parenting.
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Are you a parent? We agree to disagree. My son is who he is because of what I put in him.
 
Minstrel said:
I don't agree with that at all. That's the "children are nothing but lumps of clay to be molded by parents" image that a lot of people hold about children and parenting which I think is 100% off base. Children have their own personalities, own tendencies, etc. Parents can do their best to guide them down the right paths and provide them love and support so that they have the best environment to self-actualize, but the idea that parents "craft" children into who they become is definitely not true. I've seen great people who had totally scumbag parents and a couple of people who were just awful despite really caring and responsible parents. Even outside of value judgements, a lot of my friends have totally different personalities and standards of behavior than their parents. I would never consider kids to be reflections of their parents/parenting.
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Also, having scumbag parents can make kids go in the opposite direction. My father was never there and because of that I didn't have my son until I was 30. I did that to make sure that I would never miss a day.

Again, are you a parent?
 
dviss1 said:
Are you a parent? We agree to disagree. My son is who he is because of what I put in him.
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My son is great....but my dad was a diehard republican Nixon loving redneck.....doesn't always follow a pattern. My generation sort of questioned the status quo more than most have though
 
when I found out I was gonna be a father, I was terrified. My real dad left me and my mom, and my stepdad was a drunk and used to beat me. I had no positive role model's that were male figures in my life . How was I going to be a father? But I think what I went through taught me how to be a good father. At least I hope I am. I tried to do everything they didn't.
 
HCP said:
when I found out I was gonna be a father, I was terrified. My real dad left me and my mom, and my stepdad was a drunk and used to beat me. I had no positive role model's that were male figures in my life . How was I going to be a father? But I think what I went through taught me how to be a good father. At least I hope I am. I tried to do everything they didn't.
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Being a father is the one thing I got right in life and my father failed at miserably....my son is my best friend
 
dviss1 said:
Are you a parent? We agree to disagree.
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I'm not a parent, which is why I'm not offering parenting techniques. I've had parents, I've seen other people parent, I've seen other people who have parents, and I've read studies on the effects of parenting. I believe that I have plenty of basis to form an opinion on the limits of parenting. That's a lot different from considering myself capable of actually parenting like an experienced parent.

I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. Though, you've essentially already agreed with me when you noted that having terrible parents can make children go different ways. That illustrates that children are not simply reflections of their parents and the parenting they received.
 
I'm a parent. I agree with Minstrel. I believe that as a parent, you can do the best you can. You can teach and guide and love and discipline. You can do everything "right", and end up with both a "good" kid and a "bad" one. Parenting is hugely important, but it isn't the only factor in the adults children become. I don't believe human beings are lumps of clay or completely blank slates from birth. People are born with personalities, tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. Children also have other influences in their lives outside the control of even the most controlling parents. I don't know a single thing about the Lavar Ball family, so I'm not going to judge them. I hope the guy is happy, successful, and a good and generous citizen. Whether his dad is a jerk, or not.
 
dviss1 said:
Every single kid that is considered for the NBA draft has worked hard. Stop it...
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You're right, there's no such thing as a lazy nba player...
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riverman said:
My son is great....but my dad was a diehard republican Nixon loving redneck.....doesn't always follow a pattern. My generation sort of questioned the status quo more than most have though
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Right. Like I said before our parents shape us. Some of us in the opposite direction.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
You're right, there's no such thing as a lazy nba player...
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But at some point he worked. He put hours in on his shot and dribbling ect. I know he became lazy but you have to work to develop.
 
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