Lopsided trade

[Chuck Taylor]

Well, first Harden and now Gay. Twitter is abuzz about how this is the "new nba", where teams just can't afford to have too many stars anymore. Sam Amico tweets, "Those who said NBA lockout pointless should take look at what's left of Memphis Grizzlies. I assure you, similar stunning breakups on way."

Doesn't it seem like a lopsided trade should be option #1 for Portland to use it's financial flexibility? We have had next to no luck luring a big time free agent here. If Harden can go to Houston, perhaps we can get a big time guy ourselves. Thoughts?

 

[HailBlazers]

Agree, its always been that way in Portland

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I wouldn't lump Harden in with Gay for a few reasons.

1. Harden hadn't signed a ridiculous contract yet he just held out for 1 before traded.

2. Harden actually deserves his contract where Gay doesn't.

So I think there will be very few Harden cases of getting a true All-Star. There will be a bunch of Gay cases where a fringe All-Star is dealt but the problem is that person is paid like a real All-Star.

I mean seriously who would want Gay on our team even if we could give up scraps for him? The guy is a horrible shooting chucker. So the next guy who comes along cheap in a trade will probably be along the same lines.

The theory is sound but the result is not close to a slam-dunk idea.

 

[drexlersdad]

we should explore this gay/hardon paradigm more

 

[illmatic99]

Ya all this buzz is stemming from Woj's article (in which he still couldn't resist taking shots at LBJ, mostly). The only real example of a more parity creating move is Harden in OKC. Gay does not count. And tbh, if the Thunder were in a bigger market and had more revenue, they could withstand the higher luxury taxes without giving up talent.

So going back to Lebron's question, "what the hell we have a lockout for?"

 

[Mediocre Man]

So what we shoul dlook at are teams that are or will be in cap hell and see who would make sense for us in a lopsided trade this summer

 

[drexlersdad]

granger will be available shortly

 

[RR7]

So what we shoul dlook at are teams that are or will be in cap hell and see who would make sense for us in a lopsided trade this summer

Boston seems there(Bass, Green, Terry, Lee)
Chicago(Boozer, Deng)
GS
LAL(Gasol)
Miami(crap)
NY
Toronto(Bargnani, Fields)

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Boston seems there(Bass, Green, Terry, Lee)
Chicago(Boozer, Deng)
GS
LAL(Gasol)
Miami(crap)
NY
Toronto(Bargnani, Fields)

Compared to what they are paid the only player I would consider on your list is Deng. Green too but he would be one of the last guys BOS moves.

 

[e_blazer]

I'm not sure that there's as much of an opportunity in this as you might think. Look at the teams that are in Luxury Tax hell: Celtics, Nets, Heat, Lakers, Bulls, and Warriors. They've all got the same basic issue: 3 or 4 max or near-max players and a bunch of bench fodder. The max players that they might be willing to part with, say a Pau Gasol, Kris Humphries, or Joe Johnson, have such bloated contracts that the Blazers couldn't (and I'd say shouldn't) put together a package that works cap-wise and that makes sense from a basketball standpoint. The Blazers are in the enviable position of having their core-4 players on reasonably priced contracts. They need to fill in the holes in the roster with other reasonable contracts, either through the draft or free agency.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not sure that there's as much of an opportunity in this as you might think. Look at the teams that are in Luxury Tax hell: Celtics, Nets, Heat, Lakers, Bulls, and Warriors. They've all got the same basic issue: 3 or 4 max or near-max players and a bunch of bench fodder. The max players that they might be willing to part with, say a Pau Gasol, Kris Humphries, or Joe Johnson, have such bloated contracts that the Blazers couldn't (and I'd say shouldn't) put together a package that works cap-wise and that makes sense from a basketball standpoint. The Blazers are in the enviable position of having their core-4 players on reasonably priced contracts. They need to fill in the holes in the roster with other reasonable contracts, either through the draft or free agency.

I always like the Freeland for Lopez lopsided trade!

 

[e_blazer]

I always like the Freeland for Lopez lopsided trade!

I think you're going to need your Jedi mind tricks to pull that one off. If you can do it, I'll vote for you as GM of the year.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So what we shoul dlook at are teams that are or will be in cap hell and see who would make sense for us in a lopsided trade this summer

Looking at Storytellers sheet, there aren't a whole lot of teams with cap issues next season that aren't contenders in major markets. Boston, Denver, Golden State, maybe Washington.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Maybe a package around Hickson and Matthews for Ellis and Dalembert? We'd have to add trash, but that might save them some money

 

[magnifier661]

Maybe a package around Hickson and Matthews for Ellis and Dalembert? We'd have to add trash, but that might save them some money

Dalembert is in his final year of contract. Unless you think that Ellis is the trash.

 

[Blazinaway]

granger will be available shortly

overpaid and injury riddled, no thx

 

[RR7]

Maybe a package around Hickson and Matthews for Ellis and Dalembert? We'd have to add trash, but that might save them some money

Now, or offseason? Ellis would be a good 6th man, but can't see him going for that role.

 

[magnifier661]

overpaid and injury riddled, no thx

AND truly an overlap of Batum. We can almost guarantee Aldridge, Lillard and Batum will be eating up a ton of minutes at their position. The players we need are SG and Center.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Dalembert is in his final year of contract. Unless you think that Ellis is the trash.

Our trash

 

[magnifier661]

Our trash

Fuck my reading comprehension is really bad right now. Sorry.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Fuck my reading comprehension is really bad right now. Sorry.

It's your eyes. Stop staring at your girls tits, or at least do it on this forum like the rest of us do

 

[KeepOnRollin]

granger will be available shortly

IF and possibly a big if, Granger proved he was healthy for the rest of the year (he is supposed to be back at the All-Star break) then I would consider him and move Batum to SG if we got him.

 

[magnifier661]

It's your eyes. Stop staring at your girls tits, or at least do it on this forum like the rest of us do

Hahahahahaha... I was thinking about posting pictures of her and her girlfriend in their lingerie. That was a fun night.

 

[illmatic99]

I like Wessy as our starting SG moving forward. He's the kind of glue guy who can give you 15+ a night with terrific defense that every team needs. And besides his #s, he's probably our toughest player and I like his demeanor in the playoffs.

The most glaring holes on this roster are at C (where all we really need is size) and a bench. We don't really need a lopsided trade to fill those holes. A strong free agency haul can put us in the upper echelon as long as we stay healthy and Dame improves.

 

[drexlersdad]

all said, it will be good to have some expiring contracts in the future, they will become more and more valuable

 

[Natebishop3]

Ya all this buzz is stemming from Woj's article (in which he still couldn't resist taking shots at LBJ, mostly). The only real example of a more parity creating move is Harden in OKC. Gay does not count. And tbh, if the Thunder were in a bigger market and had more revenue, they could withstand the higher luxury taxes without giving up talent.

So going back to Lebron's question, "what the hell we have a lockout for?"

A bigger market like, oh I don't know, Seattle?

 

[crowTrobot]

it was certainly a nice excuse for the griz to cash in on a terrible contract - "oh we have this great talented superstar payer that our coach loves and we really want to keep*wink* but can't afford to. what will anyone give us for him?"

 

[Nikolokolus]

Ya all this buzz is stemming from Woj's article (in which he still couldn't resist taking shots at LBJ, mostly). The only real example of a more parity creating move is Harden in OKC. Gay does not count. And tbh, if the Thunder were in a bigger market and had more revenue, they could withstand the higher luxury taxes without giving up talent.

So going back to Lebron's question, "what the hell we have a lockout for?"

Woj's article on the Grizz-Pistons-Raptors trade was a total hatchet job; seemed like he had an axe to grind with Hollinger, the Grizz's new owner, Lebron, you name it. Hard to figure out what his agenda is/was ... besides getting page hits and stirring up shit for ad revenue.

 

[PapaG]

Looking at Storytellers sheet, there aren't a whole lot of teams with cap issues next season that aren't contenders in major markets. Boston, Denver, Golden State, maybe Washington.

I've read this sentence 4 times now and still don't think I understand it. Are you saying that there are contenders that have cap issues in major markets, or that there aren't contenders in major markets, or that cap issues only apply to small markets?

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

I've read this sentence 4 times now and still don't think I understand it. Are you saying that there are contenders that have cap issues in major markets, or that there aren't contenders in major markets, or that cap issues only apply to small markets?

Yes, or maybe!