Lord help us - The Perry Super Thread!

[maxiep]

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I read that blog, and it was a pretty devastating analysis for those who say either Perry didn't create very many jobs and/or those jobs weren't high paying. In reality, given his political bent, the best Perry can do is to say that he helped create the atmosphere where those jobs could be created. Of course, the best the Obama Administration can say is they spent other peoples' money to create temporary make-work jobs, so Perry has the better argument.

In either case, the case being made by Perry's opponents is weak at best.

 

[Denny Crane]

The 800 lb gorilla in the room is the obvious fact that where there is no state income tax and less regulation, the economy is booming. Enough to support bigger government even.

 

[julius]

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It's interesting how when Clinton ran, Republicans harped about how he didn't serve and did drugs.

When Bush ran, it wasn't important that he didn't really serve and had a drinking (and potentially worse) problem, as that was in his past (took a page from democrats in that sense).

Now it doesn't matter if you sucked shit in college and didn't go past your 4 year college degree. I understand that one could argue that we need someone who is 'more like us' in the sense they aren't over educated, but really?

Do you really want someone who is about as smart as you being president? I WANT someone who is smarter then all of us being president (senator, congressmen, etc).

 

[Denny Crane]

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Nixon was smarter than you (or I). Look how that turned out.

 

[julius]

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New York is a perfect example of why taxes don't work as smoothly as some dems think. Escaping taxes is much more fun than being stuck in some expensive, overpriced environment.

I had a well written post done, and then I decided to do some research first. wiki posted this (which is much clearer then the crap I posted). Bold is me.

States won by Democrats in 2000, 2004, and 2008

Illinois – 1 fewer vote
Massachusetts – 1 fewer vote
Michigan – 1 fewer vote
New Jersey – 1 fewer vote
New York – 2 fewer votes
Pennsylvania – 1 fewer vote
Washington – 1 more vote

that is for a net loss of 6.

States won by Republicans in 2000, 2004, and 2008

Arizona – 1 more vote
Georgia – 1 more vote
Louisiana – 1 fewer vote
Missouri – 1 fewer vote
South Carolina – 1 more vote
Texas – 4 more votes
Utah – 1 more vote
that is for a net gain of 6


Remaining states

Florida – 2 more votes
Iowa – 1 fewer vote
Nevada – 1 more vote
Ohio – 2 fewer votes
Even. Although I don't know if Obama will win Florida or Ohio this election

 

[maxiep]

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It's interesting how when Clinton ran, Republicans harped about how he didn't serve and did drugs.

When Bush ran, it wasn't important that he didn't really serve and had a drinking (and potentially worse) problem, as that was in his past (took a page from democrats in that sense).

Now it doesn't matter if you sucked shit in college and didn't go past your 4 year college degree. I understand that one could argue that we need someone who is 'more like us' in the sense they aren't over educated, but really?

Do you really want someone who is about as smart as you being president? I WANT someone who is smarter then all of us being president (senator, congressmen, etc).

There are different kinds of intelligence. It's been shown that the theorists without connection to real world experience generally make the worst presidents. But if you wish to elect the smartest guy running, I guess you're putting a Romney sticker on your car. He was a Baker Scholar.

 

[julius]

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There are different kinds of intelligence. It's been shown that the theorists without connection to real world experience generally make the worst presidents. But if you wish to elect the smartest guy running, I guess you're putting a Romney sticker on your car. He was a Baker Scholar.

I'd rather him then Perry.

 

[maxiep]

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I'd rather him then Perry.

Maybe you'll be lucky enough to get both.

 

[julius]

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Maybe you'll be lucky enough to get both.

if it's Romney and Perry, and they tone down the super religious nature of their stumping and have a reasonable approach to foreign policy and don't just bend over backwards to businesses and the super rich (which none of us here are), I might consider voting for them.

At this point, it's going to take a lot to get me to vote for Obama. He's basically bent over backwards (imho) for the republicans.

I figure it this way. I want the economy to get better. I don't think either side will do anything about it, because one side will stop the president from doing anything (what we have now) and the other side will just repeat the same mistakes the last president made.

 

[barfo]

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I wouldn't be horrified if Romney were elected. I'm not endorsing him, but I do think he'd be relatively harmless, partially because he isn't a true believer in anything other than getting elected President.

Unfortunately he's dull, and Bachmann, Paul, and Perry are all entertainingly insane. So I'm hoping Romney has a difficult time wrapping up the nomination.

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

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I had a well written post done, and then I decided to do some research first. wiki posted this (which is much clearer then the crap I posted). Bold is me.

States won by Democrats in 2000, 2004, and 2008

Illinois – 1 fewer vote
Massachusetts – 1 fewer vote
Michigan – 1 fewer vote
New Jersey – 1 fewer vote
New York – 2 fewer votes
Pennsylvania – 1 fewer vote
Washington – 1 more vote

that is for a net loss of 6.

States won by Republicans in 2000, 2004, and 2008

Arizona – 1 more vote
Georgia – 1 more vote
Louisiana – 1 fewer vote
Missouri – 1 fewer vote
South Carolina – 1 more vote
Texas – 4 more votes
Utah – 1 more vote
that is for a net gain of 6


Remaining states

Florida – 2 more votes
Iowa – 1 fewer vote
Nevada – 1 more vote
Ohio – 2 fewer votes
Even. Although I don't know if Obama will win Florida or Ohio this election

Florida is going to outpace New York in population a decade from now. People are moving south, or to the west.

And companies are going to keep those 2-3 trillion dollars in offshore escrow funds until you stop over regulating.

 

[Shooter]

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A Christian conservative who said he felt "called" to a presidential run

That alone scares me.

As opposed to a president who feels "called" to turn us into a socialist/marxist state?

 

[julius]

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As opposed to a president who feels "called" to turn us into a socialist/marxist state?

well, one was said by the candidate and the other was pulled out of someones ass. So, yes, opposed to some made up horse shit.

 

[maxiep]

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well, one was said by the candidate and the other was pulled out of someones ass. So, yes, opposed to some made up horse shit.

To be fair, actions speak louder than words. Senator Obama said during his campaign that his goal was to "fundamentally transform the United States". He has taken spending to unimagined levels, took an equity interest in two of our three major auto companies--forcing debtholders out of the way, forced through an unpopular healthcare bill that was as close to a European-style system as he could get and blew over a trillion dollars on government "stimulus" spending. He envisions a government to GDP ratio of something closer to Western Europe and 20-30% higher than we've experienced before.

He sure seems to have socialist tendencies to me.

 

[jlprk]

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The Southeastern Conference hates Perry and won't let his sports college into their league.

http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/31318268

 

[maxiep]

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http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/08/glancing-picture-of-clint-eastwood-as.html

 

[SlyPokerDog]

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http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/08/glancing-picture-of-clint-eastwood-as.html

Dirty Perry?




http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirty+perry

 

[STOMP]

well, one was said by the candidate and the other was pulled out of someones ass. So, yes, opposed to some made up horse shit.

love TH's ability to use on demand quotations

anyone who leads their campaign with religion won't get my vote in the end, but I probably register R to vote for Bachman in the primaries to extend the laughs.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/16/all-shook-up-bachmann-flubs-elvis-birthday/

STOMP

 

[Shooter]

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At Texas A&M, a sports school which is basically a 4-year version of a community college, he got no A's, 20 B's, 27 C's, 9 D's, and academic probation.

Republicans lost one of their few candidates with normal intelligence when Pawlenty left.

I'll bet Perry knows what year it is, and how many states there are in the United States--two things which Obama is apparently confused about. Talk about idiots--we've already got one in the White House.

 

[maxiep]

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http://www.theatlantic.com/business...truth-about-rick-perrys-texas-miracle/243841/

 

[barfo]

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http://www.theatlantic.com/business...truth-about-rick-perrys-texas-miracle/243841/

Seems like a very even-handed piece.

Regarding Perry, I heard a good line today: "Rick Perry is George Bush without all the brains".

barfo

 

[Shooter]

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Seems like a very even-handed piece.

Yes, I'm sure it seemed that way to you. I bet you thought this part was especially even-handed . . .

There are a lot of reasons for Texan growth, and very few of them can be laid at the feet of the governor.

There's a lot of stories out there about Rick Perry right now, and they all strike me as very even-handed. Amazingly, the mainstream media seems to have no axe to grind at all!

 

[barfo]

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I bet you thought this part was especially even-handed . . .

There are a lot of reasons for Texan growth, and very few of them can be laid at the feet of the governor.]

I think that's a fair statement, yes, as is her conclusion that no governor has tremendous control over the economy.

barfo

 

[Shooter]

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I think that's a fair statement, yes, as is her conclusion that no governor has tremendous control over the economy.

Uh, huh. Rick Perry has been governor of Texas for almost 11 years, and yet, according to the above author, he's had nothing to do with the success of the Texas economy. It's really just a coincidence that Texas has done so well while he's been in office.

I love this board. You learn so much here . . .

 

[barfo]

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Uh, huh. Rick Perry has been governor of Texas for almost 11 years, and yet, according to the above author, he's had nothing to do with the success of the Texas economy. It's really just a coincidence that Texas has done so well while he's been in office.

I love this board. You learn so much here . . .

You didn't read it very carefully. It gives him credit for pro-business policies.
It does point out, correctly, that there are many other factors involved other than government policy.

So is Perry your boy in 2012?

barfo

 

[barfo]

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Amazingly, the mainstream media seems to have no axe to grind at all!

It's amusing that you consider Megan McArdle to be part of the evil mainstream media. It's amusing that I'm defending her.

barfo

 

[Shooter]

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You didn't read it very carefully. It gives him credit for pro-business policies.

I read it carefully, and I saw the "credit" given to him. I also saw that 98% of the article is an effort to expose Perry as merely a figurehead.

I find it astounding that the press can attack a guy like Perry who has been successfully running a state like Texas for over a decade, and yet have no problem with a candidate like Obama, who never ran a state, a city, or even a county for 2 minutes. The double-standard is breathtaking.

So is Perry your boy in 2012?

I'm still considering . . . I think Chris Christie would be an interesting candidate.

 

[barfo]

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I read it carefully, and I saw the "credit" given to him. I also saw that 98% of the article is an effort to expose Perry as merely a figurehead.

Which, of course, he is. As is any governor.

I find it astounding that the press can attack a guy like Perry who has been successfully running a state like Texas for over a decade, and yet have no problem with a candidate like Obama, who never ran a state, a city, or even a county for 2 minutes. The double-standard is breathtaking.

Pretty sure Megan McArdle is no fan of Obama.

I'm still considering . . . I think Chris Christie would be an interesting candidate.

I do too. The fact that New Jersey just got downgraded itself would seem to make his candidacy less likely, however.

barfo

 

[julius]

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Which, of course, he is. As is any governor.



Pretty sure Megan McArdle is no fan of Obama.



I do too. The fact that New Jersey just got downgraded itself would seem to make his candidacy less likely, however.

barfo

isn't Christie the one who flew to his sons baseball game, and then had a limo drive him 300 feet to the game or something?

Sounds like he's a perfect candidate for president. A candidate whose party (and followers) can just ignore they bitched about something their own guy does.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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Christopher Christie...just sayin