Lost in all your simplistic and ignorant blaming of Collins

[purplehaze89]

Only the paranoid, the delusional and the fool blame the referees for their team's own faults and inabilities.</p>

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[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Only the paranoid, the delusional and the fool blame the referees for their team's own faults and inabilities.</p>

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Only the paranoid, the delusional and the fool think that the team they root for is "theirs."</p>

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[furnace]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Only the paranoid, the delusional and the fool blame the referees for their team's own faults and inabilities.</p>


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I said no such thing about the loss to the Hornets. I only point out the one sided refereeing when it is so, and I provide examples.


Just cuz the Nets shot more free throw attempts doesn't mean the Heat weren't fouling them even more.

 

[Jizzy]

Furnace, the players themselves aren't even arguing the final play. Why are you? Look at that final possession, Mourning hardly touched RJ.</p>

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Only the paranoid, the delusional and the fool think that the team they root for is "theirs."</p>

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The social psychologist would disagree with you. Thats normal, and anticipated, human behavior.</p>

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[Dumpy]

so, which are you?</p>

 

[GMJ]

I find understanding in modern psychology. It's a matter of categorizing-and-comparison (social identity theory). By identifying as a fan of the team you might identify as part of "Nets basketball" and there for live vicariously to some extent. It's really not that uncommon to hear someone talk about how "we're doing great" or "we suck." And refer to other teams as "they;" specifically the fans as "you guys are bad." They're not playing the game and therefore its a logical fallacy, but I didn't say it was correct; just expected.</p>

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I find understanding in modern psychology. It's a matter of categorizing-and-comparison (social identity theory). By identifying as a fan of the team you might identify as part of "Nets basketball" and there for live vicariously to some extent. It's really not that uncommon to hear someone talk about how "we're doing great" or "we suck." And refer to other teams as "they;" specifically the fans as "you guys are bad." They're not playing the game and therefore its a logical fallacy, but I didn't say it was correct; just expected.</p>

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Too many three-dollar words to be a fool, and you don't seem paranoid. Delusional, then.</p>

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Only the paranoid, the delusional and the fool blame the referees for their team's own faults and inabilities.</p>

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Only the paranoid, the delusional and the fool think that the team they root for is "theirs."</p>

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Completely untrue, and I don't see why you're out to get us...</p>

 

[spartannj]

Collins played great D on Shaq in the 4th. Shaq scored one field goal on which he laid the ball in while using his off hand on JCs shoulder for leverage. I think it is an embarassment that an obvious offensive foul like that was not called (only the Globetrotters should get that one). It was obvious from the furthest seat in the arena (I confirmed what I saw on the replay the next morning). I don't blame the refs for the loss though, the Nets made more mistakes than the refs. p.s. I thought the officiating for the Orlando game was up there among the worst I have ever seen....again, not the refs fault the Nets lost. The Boston game was bad too, I think the refs actually stopped calling fouls against the Celtics because the Nets couldn't hit a free throw anyway. That punk hit by Posey on Armstrong should have been a flagrant accompanied by a fine. I guess I'm saying, in comparison, the Heat game was well officiated.</p>

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SpartanNJ)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Collins played great D on Shaq in the 4th. Shaq scored one field goal on which he laid the ball in while using his off hand on JCs shoulder for leverage. I think it is an embarassment that an obvious offensive foul like that was not called (only the Globetrotters should get that one). It was obvious from the furthest seat in the arena (I confirmed what I saw on the replay the next morning). I don't blame the refs for the loss though, the Nets made more mistakes than the refs. p.s. I thought the officiating for the Orlando game was up there among the worst I have ever seen....again, not the refs fault the Nets lost. The Boston game was bad too, I think the refs actually stopped calling fouls against the Celtics because the Nets couldn't hit a free throw anyway. That punk hit by Posey on Armstrong should have been a flagrant accompanied by a fine. I guess I'm saying, in comparison, the Heat game was well officiated.</p>

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Welcome to S2, SpartanNJ! Hope you enjoy yourself, here. If you need anything, let me know! Send me a PM or somethin.</p>

And in reply to your post, it's not just refs officiating NJ games. It's all around the league. It seems like every year, refs in the NBA get worse and worse.</p>

 

[purplehaze89]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Only the paranoid, the delusional and the fool blame the referees for their team's own faults and inabilities.</p>

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Only the paranoid, the delusional and the fool think that the team they root for is "theirs."</p>

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Completely untrue and irrelevant to the points at hand. Find me 10 people that haven't referred to their own sports team as "our team" or "we" or "us".</p>

Anyway, is it just me or is it comical to call people out as simplistic and ignorant and then proceed to blame the officials as the reason the Nets lost a game in which they blew a simple layup, turned the ball over 27 times, missed two critical free throws down the stretch.</p>

The irony.</p>

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[jarkid]

<font style="background-color: #d8d0c8">Collins didn't play a "Great" D on Shaq in4th qtr.In fact, Shaq is killing us in the 4th, You could say Shaq isn't scoring THAT much, but Collins did foul him many times, and sent him to the line.</font></p>

<font style="background-color: #d8d0c8">Not great, Not bad, but if you want to say he's great, he must stop Shaq without fouling.</font></p>

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Too many three-dollar words to be a fool, and you don't seem paranoid. Delusional, then.</p>

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Well keep in mind that I never say whats logically right or wrong, rather thats just the way that most humans are. Its my opinion that if you ask most fans who say "yay we're good!" or "boo we suck and so does nachbar" (sorry boki) they'll also admit that they didn't actually suit up and play that game.</p>

So admittedly delusional? Thats a bit of a oxymoron. Thats just how people connect with their team. It's probably the same reason why you feel down when the Nets lose, and happy when they win.</p>

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[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<font style="background-color: rgb(216, 208, 200);">Collins didn't play a "Great" D on Shaq in4th qtr.In fact, Shaq is killing us in the 4th, You could say Shaq isn't scoring THAT much, but Collins did foul him many times, and sent him to the line.</font></p>

<font style="background-color: rgb(216, 208, 200);">Not great, Not bad, but if you want to say he's great, he must stop Shaq without fouling.</font></p>

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Not really. He had 7 points in the 4th. I couldn't find an exact FG%, but he was missing shots too. Keep in mind that more people than Collins were guarding him during that span.</p>

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[jarkid]

<font style="background-color: #d8d0c8">Shaq's FG in the 4th is like 1-3(informed by Dumy). The FGM is a beautiful hookshot over Collins.</font></p>

<font style="background-color: #d8d0c8">I'm looking up the information below:</font></p>

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<td>O'Neal Hook Shot: Missed</td>
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<td>O'Neal Free Throw 1 of 2 (14 PTS)</td>
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<td><font color="#ff0000">O'Neal Layup Shot: Made (17 PTS)</font></td>
<td nowrap="nowrap" align="center"><font color="#ff0000">5:38
[MIA 79-69]</font></td>
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<td>O'Neal Free Throw 2 of 2 (18 PTS)</td>
<td nowrap="nowrap" align="center">5:13
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In fact, Shaq's FG% in the 4th is 50% !!!!</p>

And he was fouled to the line for many times,</p>

not to mention he made all the FT, ok, it's just unlucky to us.</p>

But Collins can't stop him without fouling, and that would make the foul limits reaching.</p>

 

[spartannj]

true, Shaq made 2 field goals in the 4th, but i am pretty sure the first was on Kristic, the second, like I said should have been disallowed....i accept your point about the fouls....i guess i am thinking that if anyone held Shaq to a couple of trips to the line and a field goal a couple of years ago that would have been considered great defense, maybe not anymore, actually, JC doesn't even need to employ the hack a Shaq strategy anymore, he can defend him straight up like other mere "mortals"</p>