Lottery losers

[SharpesTriumph]

Happy you're not in charge

So what do you do if Dame demands we trade the lottery pick for veterans and theres no trades that make sense. Do you overpay for a trade such as #7 and two future first round picks protected 1-4 for OG?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The Blazers need to look at under utilized talent, that might flourish in a new place. Markkanen was that guy last year. John Collins might be that guy this year.

Counterpoint: he will not.

 

[wizenheimer]

So what do you do if Dame demands we trade the lottery pick for veterans and theres no trades that make sense. Do you overpay for a trade such as #7 and two future first round picks protected 1-4 for OG?

what is it about Dame's time in Portland that makes you think he's irrational and unreasonable? Serious question. If there are no good options for trading this year's pick ( and perhaps other picks); if the trade makes no sense, do you think Dame is so blind he couldn't see that when told of the available offers?

and LOL...c'mon man. A top 7 pick plus two more first's for OG? Episode 73 in trying frame the questions in such an absurd manner you get answer answers you want

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Shaedon Sharpe was the 7th pick. As was Stephen Curry.

 

[Mediocre Man]

This is what I was alluding to in another thread where I mentioned we might have to overpay for a good player, (Unrealistically to get a great player)
When I say overpay I meant multiple 1 st round picks (and matching salary) for someone like OG. We need to find a team who has multiple forwards that had a disappointing season and wants to change things up. Toronto seems to be a good trade partner. Maybe Atlanta like others have mentioned. But I think we need OG more than Collins.

Toronto probably likes him too much

 

[SharpesTriumph]

what is it about Dame's time in Portland that makes you think he's irrational and unreasonable? Serious question. If there are no good options for trading this year's pick ( and perhaps other picks); if the trade makes no sense, do you think Dame is so blind he couldn't see that when told of the available offers?

and LOL...c'mon man. A top 7 pick plus two more first's for OG? Episode 73 in trying frame the questions in such an absurd manner you get answer answers you want

I didn't frame anything, I responded to the post "Not trading a 7-8 pick is like asking Dame to ask for a trade."

Blazers have to be willing to keep the pick if they are going to hold out for equal value.

 

[blazerkor]

I didn't frame anything, I responded to the post "Not trading a 7-8 pick is like asking Dame to ask for a trade."

Blazers have to be willing to keep the pick if they are going to hold out for equal value.

This is true. Joe has to be willing to tell teams he will keep the pick and he has to have conversations with teams that want Dame so he can know what that direction looks like. I want him to do that so he can leverage that option and boost the value of our pick and all of our other draft assets we can access. It seems you want him to trade Dame... not at all what I want but he does have to be willing to.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

This is true. Joe has to be willing to tell teams he will keep the pick and he has to have conversations with teams that want Dame so he can know what that direction looks like. I want him to do that so he can leverage that option and boost the value of our pick and all of our other draft assets we can access. It seems you want him to trade Dame... not at all what I want but he does have to be willing to.

I want the assets of a potential Dame trade as the Thunder got for PG13 or Utah with Gobert. I want Dame to finish his career as a Blazer. I want the franchise to be viewed for decades as treated Dame well. Obviously these are conflicting factors. Which factor trumps the other? Different people will have different opinions.

Probably much more than choosing either option I'm hoping for good GM execution of a direction. This was often lacking under Olshey and in my opinion has been even worse with Cronin, but I guess we'll see.

 

[blazerfan11]

Not trading a 7-8 pick is like asking Dame to ask for a trade.

No it's not. Missing the playoffs (especially intentionally) is like asking Dame to ask for a trade.
Dame can't (or didn't want to ) use the word "tanking" so what I think he really meant is that he's done with tanking (for a 19-year-old).
He wants to make the playoffs.
I don't think he'll have a problem if the Blazers draft a forward who fills an area of need, such as defense at the forward position, and put together a much better bench, and make the playoffs for the rest of his time in Portland.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Yeah I don't think Collins being better on offense than defense makes sense at forward for a Dame team. Maybe if we had a defender like Hart at SG; instead of Ant. Or if we had Gobert defense at Center instead of Nurk. Or if we had a better defender than Grant. As this roster is, Collins would make our offense great but it'd be the same story at defense as the Melo/Kanter teams.

The problem with the matching salary too is we don't have dead salary to pair with picks. Having to give up Ant/Nurk subtracts a player or two from our 8 man rotation, so it would only be a marginal upgrade, instead of a complete starter addition.

OG injuries concern me, and he's just not at the allstar level the Blazers need to contend. Seems more like an ideal 4th/5th starter or 6th man.

Great point on the first round picks; maybe if OG was the final piece to contend we sort of overpay as the Bucks did for Jrue and then can contend. But when OG doesn't make us a contender, it seems very shortsighted to overpay and give up more 1st round picks than a player is worth.

I expect OG to end up in Memphis. He would be a nice secondary piece but if he's the main piece we get back this summer, it would be a disappointment.

 

[Predator]

If I were a team with a “needle mover” I’d probably not trade that player for a pick after 3 in this draft. If someone knows this draft to be different, please let me know

Victor
Miller
Scoot
Ausar
Whitmore

HM: Amen, Walker, Hendricks

Just depends how teams grade these players.

 

[tykendo]

No it's not. Missing the playoffs (especially intentionally) is like asking Dame to ask for a trade.
Dame can't (or didn't want to ) use the word "tanking" so what I think he really meant is that he's done with tanking (for a 19-year-old).
He wants to make the playoffs.
I don't think he'll have a problem if the Blazers draft a forward who fills an area of need, such as defense at the forward position, and put together a much better bench, and make the playoffs for the rest of his time in Portland.

I agree with this. Tanking is unacceptable from here out. It's time for Joe to get the pieces to make this team a playoff team that at least has a chance to contend. Dame just wants a chance. The belief he has in his own abilities , and that many of us believe hasn't been capped out, are to give the team a fighting chance. I believe if Joe & his staff can get the team close, Dame will amp it up to an even higher level and bring it home. He's that good. He was incredible last year. The pieces around him were a house of cards. Time for the supporting cast to "Buck up", especially Nurk , and get it done. Add some true , quality pieces. Leave the development BS for our new G League team. I think Wemby is ready now. He's been playing in an adult league. All the others are kids. We need players, not kids with pacifiers.

 

[STOMP]

Not trading a 7-8 pick is like asking Dame to ask for a trade.

or calling his bluff. There aren't too many teams that could put together a package for him without gutting their roster thereby making it an undesirable landing spot for him.

STOMP

 

[blazerkor]

or calling his bluff. There aren't too many teams that could put together a package for him without gutting their roster thereby making it an undesirable landing spot for him.

STOMP

I don't think that this is some sort of standoff. I think that Cronin has likely agreed to either get Dame all star help or if he can't then he'll trade Dame. I just see Dame talking about this stuff very matter of factly. There doesn't seem to be any posturing going on. I think they will pull off a deal or two that makes Dame happy. I think if they don't think they can do that there are a few teams that could put a package together while remaining competitive.

 

[STOMP]

I don't think that this is some sort of standoff. I think that Cronin has likely agreed to either get Dame all star help or if he can't then he'll trade Dame. I just see Dame talking about this stuff very matter of factly. There doesn't seem to be any posturing going on. I think they will pull off a deal or two that makes Dame happy. I think if they don't think they can do that there are a few teams that could put a package together while remaining competitive.

the 10,000 times or so you've said this hasn't budged my thinking that they lack the ability to do so without moving Sharpe and pretty much all their future 1sts. Besides winning the VW sweepstakes, fully gutting the Blazers future is the only way they might be able to put together a contender around Dame in the short term. The players on their roster are not sought after. I believe Cronin has told Dame what he wants to hear but this offseason after many inquiries he'll be telling him how little interest there is in what Portland has to offer (outside Shaedon).

STOMP

 

[SharpesTriumph]

the 10,000 times or so you've said this hasn't budged my thinking that they lack the ability to do so without moving Sharpe and pretty much all their future 1sts. Besides winning the VW sweepstakes, fully gutting the Blazers future is the only way they might be able to put together a contender around Dame in the short term. The players on their roster are not sought after. I believe Cronin has told Dame what he wants to hear but this offseason after many inquiries he'll be telling him how little interest there is in what Portland has to offer (outside Shaedon).

STOMP

Good post. Yeah the Blazers can unprotect their picks the next 7 years go get some more veteran talent now; but the downside risk is crazy scary.

 

[inconceivable]

the 10,000 times or so you've said this hasn't budged my thinking that they lack the ability to do so without moving Sharpe and pretty much all their future 1sts. Besides winning the VW sweepstakes, fully gutting the Blazers future is the only way they might be able to put together a contender around Dame in the short term. The players on their roster are not sought after. I believe Cronin has told Dame what he wants to hear but this offseason after many inquiries he'll be telling him how little interest there is in what Portland has to offer (outside Shaedon).

STOMP

I feel last year Dame had just signed a massive extension, so the urgency wasn't as high as this summer. It'll be interesting how much improvement can be done w/o trading Sharpe. I don't think it's a good idea to trade a very promising 19 y/o on a rookie deal. Where the pick lands makes a big difference.

 

[STOMP]

Good post. Yeah the Blazers can unprotect their picks the next 7 years go get some more veteran talent now; but the downside risk is crazy scary.

classic short sited scenario of throwing good money after bad

If the Blazers go down that path and it fizzles out (strong possibility), this franchise could go decades without competing and see their die hard fanbase die out.

STOMP

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I know there are threads upon threads like this, but I got to thinking……..

What happens if we end up with the 7th or 8th pick? Is that plus Ant worth any needle mover types?

I’ve seen discussions around 1. I’ve seen ideas around 2-5, but what if it’s 7-8?

So as soon as you made this thread they announced Brandon Roy as the guy representing the Blazers at the Lottery.
I guess they must know you?

 

[Mediocre Man]

So as soon as you made this thread they announced Brandon Roy as the guy representing the Blazers at the Lottery.
I guess they must know you?

They do in fact know me, but one had nothing to do with the other