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Domihatin said:
That's the theoretical fear, but it really wouldn't. It would make every team fight and play harder. No more tanking. Winning would mean more and losing would mean less. Super teams may form? Yes. Super teams already form now within this system? Yes.
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So the free-agent attractive cities could buy a good team, win, and rebuild at the same time? No thanks. Even having all the lottery teams with the same odds would be better than that.
 
Domihatin said:
That's the theoretical fear, but it really wouldn't. It would make every team fight and play harder. No more tanking. Winning would mean more and losing would mean less. Super teams may form? Yes. Super teams already form now within this system? Yes.
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All the glamor markets would dominate. Imagine the Lakers, Warriors, or Celtics getting the #1 pick such as Wemby when they already won a title.
 
I would be interested in expanding the playin to 12 teams or something like that. teams 12+11 play then (11/12 winner) plays 10 for the last playin spot or something like that. Probably would still be some tanking but then your only talking about a couple teams in a conference.

The NBA is just different than other sports in that a top5 picks can totally change the outlook of a franchise for over a decade. NFL/MLB/etc don't have this.

I would prefer if there was a way that we didn't have the tanking... I've just never heard of a great solution.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Many would describe your posts as delusional ramblings of a fan who can only see 1 foot in front of his face without any perspective of the long term picture.
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There is a chance, albeit a small one, that the roster Cronin has quietly assembled is much better than its been given credit for. The team is, for absolutely the only time I can remember, TALL. When they play with the energy that they have exhibited these past 3 games, that's been very disruptive to the opposing teams. They also are able to switch on defense without losing much...something that was sadly lacking in the Dame era. One major element that has been lacking is a player with true All-Star credentials. IF Sharpe continues to build on what he's done the past couple of games, he could be stepping into that role. It could be that the things separating this team from being truly competitive are experience AND a trade that actually improves the roster; not just a dump of the vets for draft picks.

That’s a lot of positive speculation based on the past three games. I’m well aware that this is the same team that got blown out at home by the Grizzlies a week ago. I think the next couple of weeks will show what the actual situation is.
 
Domihatin said:
That's the theoretical fear, but it really wouldn't. It would make every team fight and play harder. No more tanking. Winning would mean more and losing would mean less. Super teams may form? Yes. Super teams already form now within this system? Yes.
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Lol. This would lead to a dominant team winning every year for decades.

I'd certainly stop watching the NBA.
 
Domihatin said:
I was there when Dame scored his 70+ point (can't remember the exact amount because it was meaningless) game and this was way louder.

It's because fans are sick of the expectation to lose and roll over for another season. Most of the fans who attend a game and are not just armchair GM's, have more love for the team and winning and this unexpected streak we are on keeps surprising us and makes us think about the team NOW, not in 2-4 years. We don't need more talent. Fuck, look at even Murray's shooting? And his defense. We are deep and have too many good players as it is. Not enough play time for everyone. Screw tanking. It's the most stupid thing in the world.
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Again. That absolutely was not the loudest crowd.
Maybe for you but in no way was that the loudest the Moda has been.
 
e_blazer said:
There is a chance, albeit a small one, that the roster Cronin has quietly assembled is much better than its been given credit for. The team is, for absolutely the only time I can remember, TALL. When they play with the energy that they have exhibited these past 3 games, that's been very disruptive to the opposing teams. They also are able to switch on defense without losing much...something that was sadly lacking in the Dame era. One major element that has been lacking is a player with true All-Star credentials. IF Sharpe continues to build on what he's done the past couple of games, he could be stepping into that role. It could be that the things separating this team from being truly competitive are experience AND a trade that actually improves the roster; not just a dump of the vets for draft picks.

That’s a lot of positive speculation based on the past three games. I’m well aware that this is the same team that got blown out at home by the Grizzlies a week ago. I think the next couple of weeks will show what the actual situation is.
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We play OKC who is the title favorites and then a cup game against Houston - both on the road.

So we'll learn pretty quickly where this team stands.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Not true, Grant does have a large long contract, but elite All-NBA players earn more than double what he does.

Now does he earn a low enough amount to have positive trade value or value of a first round pick? Now I agree with your sentiment that he may not have that value or even have positive value to many teams.
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What hair are you even trying to split here? Guys making within a million per year of what he does include Jason Tatum, De'Arron Fox, Bam & Donovan Mitchell... are they not elite players? I even qualified what you're trying to take me to task over saying that his contract level is that of a player with "pretty elite production", meaning just less then the best of the best.

So yes, my overriding point is true... Jerami at 32M per is not a bargain that other teams are at all likely to be looking to take on. I'm sure something could be worked out, but I very much doubt we'd like it.

STOMP
 
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old timers probably think it was louder at Moda back in the day because they've all blown their ears out after decades of crowd piercing decibels and now everything sounds muted!!!
 
Strenuus said:
I was in the building for the wave, as you were (and Eric).

It'll be a long time before it's that loud again.
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I think B-Roy’s 18 point 4th quarter was louder.
Also the Lillard game winner against Houston was up there but probably the Wave was louder?
 
STOMP said:
What hair are you even trying to split here? Guys making within a million per year of what he does include Jason Tatum, De'Arron Fox, Bam & Donovan Mitchell... are they not elite players? I even qualified what you're trying to take me to task over saying that his contract level is that of a player with "pretty elite production", meaning just less then the best of the best.

So yes, my overriding point is true... Jerami at 32M per is not a bargain that other teams are at all likely to be looking to take on. I'm sure something could be worked out, but I very much doubt we'd like it.

STOMP
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Tatum is on a 5 year 315million contract. Grant's is significantly less being 5 year 160 million, it's not splitting hairs, it's half as I said in my post.

Yes I agreed with your point that Grant may not have value on his contract as I stated in my last post. But he is not paid like the elite players in the NBA, which was the small point I corrected you on.
 
Obviously, I'm talking about in my memory, not in the history of the Blazers. I specified as such in my posts. I did not go to the Wave game or the Shot game or the the others you mentioned. I've been to about 10-12 games in the last 10 years and I felt like this was loudest that I personally can remember.

Something felt different about the crowd and energy on Sunday Maybe it's the defense? Have we had a team this big with this kind of defense before? Certainly not in a long, long time. Maybe it's the winning in the face of all the naysayers and the odds. Saying, FUCK TANKING. Maybe it's coming back from the 45 point loss and saying, not happening again!!! You see, I think the crow loved to watch great basketball when they expected to watch our team give a low effort and get beaten again and again. Look at the the start of the 2nd game against the Twolves and the first 2/3rds of the Hawks game. We were getting beaten and everyone thought "here we go again, the tank is rolling," and the Blazers turned it on and made these games matter and fought with fire and heart to overcome the odds.

It whipped the crowd into a frenzy and everyone wants to believe we have a chance, no one loves the idea of waiting years for this. Make every game count. It's like watching a Rocky v Apollo fight and everyone expects the much better and well known fighter to win, but the underdog shocks the world and fights like an unstoppable beast.

After watching an endless parade of temporary players come to Portland and go, it's also nice to see the same group stick together and build this chemistry, cohesion and comraderie.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Tatum is on a 5 year 315million contract. Grant's is significantly less being 5 year 160 million, it's not splitting hairs, it's half as I said in my post.
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Not true as he is not on that contract. What you reference is the contract extension he signed which starts next season. The contract that he's on is a 4 year deal that averages 31.5M which is within 1 Million of what Grant averages... exactly what I claimed.

Again, you are needlessly splitting hairs which seems to be the point

STOMP
 
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STOMP said:
What hair are you even trying to split here? Guys making within a million per year of what he does include Jason Tatum, De'Arron Fox, Bam & Donovan Mitchell... are they not elite players? I even qualified what you're trying to take me to task over saying that his contract level is that of a player with "pretty elite production", meaning just less then the best of the best.

So yes, my overriding point is true... Jerami at 32M per is not a bargain that other teams are at all likely to be looking to take on. I'm sure something could be worked out, but I very much doubt we'd like it.

STOMP
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You are talking about the salaries they previously signed, not the extension on those players you listed that will kick in next season.

Starting the 25-26, Donovan Mitchell - Average Salary:
$50,105,628

Starting the 25-26, Jayson Tatum Average Salary:

$62,786,682

Starting the 26-27, Bam Average Salary:
$55,116,288


De'Arron Fox is the only one with Average Salary that is around Grant's for the duration of Grant's contract.
$32,600,060

Grant is at Average Salary: $32,000,000

And that's until 27-28 season

So the only one you're correct on is Fox, and Fox is not a "elite player"
 
STOMP said:
Not true as he is not on that contract. What you reference is the contract extension he signed which starts next season. The contract that he's on is a 4 year deal that averages 31.5M which is within 1 Million of what Grant averages... exactly what I claimed.
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We're talking about trade value, what matters is the FUTURE seasons of any of these players contract. Not prior years of a contract that is ending, or even the small unpaid portion of the current seasons contract. Salaries all nearly match in the trade for this seasons contract anyways, so this season contract is basically irrelevant.

The future seasons of all these players contracts have Grant earning about half of what the elite All-NBA players earn. I'm not sure why you have so much difficulty accepting a small simple fact.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
We're talking about trade value, what matters is the FUTURE seasons of any of these players contract. Not prior years of a contract that is ending, or even the small unpaid portion of the current seasons contract. Salaries all nearly match in the trade for this seasons contract anyways, so this season contract is basically irrelevant.

The future seasons of all these players contracts have Grant earning about half of what the elite All-NBA players earn. I'm not sure why you have so much difficulty accepting a small simple fact.
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Fucking hell dude. Way to try to move the goalposts after embarrassing yourself trying to call me out on the most tedious minutia.

Jason Tatum has been making one All NBA team after another pulling down nearly the exact same dollars as Grant. In all likelihood he’s going to do that again this year again making the same bucks. That’s what I claimed regardless of how you want to spin things desperatelytrying to save face. De’Arron Fox same thing. Grant’s production does not match his salary. It was a clear overpay the day he signed it and looks every bit as bad in retrospect.

What is wrong with you?

STOMP
 
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STOMP said:
Fucking hell dude. Way to try to move the goalposts after embarrassing yourself trying to call me out on the most tedious minutia.

Jason Tatum has been making one All NBA team after another pulling down nearly the exact same dollars as Grant. In all likelihood he’s going to do that again this year again making the same bucks. That’s what I claimed regardless of how you want to spin things desperatelytrying to save face. De’Arron Fox same thing. Grant’s production does not match his salary. It was a clear overpay the day he signed it and looks every bit as bad in retrospect.

What is wrong with you?

STOMP
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I never moved any posts at all, I was always talking about Grants trade value and how that compares to elite players. Sheed30 posted the similar reply to you as well.

Good luck with your anger issues sir.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I never moved any posts at all, I was always talking about Grants trade value and how that compares to elite players. Sheed30 posted the similar reply to you as well.

Good luck with your anger issues sir.
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Oh please, our back and forths are there for anyone to read and you completely change the parameters of what you're referring to several times and now are pretending you're on the high road. Again, I stated his salary is that of a "pretty elite player" which his production does not meet. This season he's about the 60th highest paid player in a league of 450 players which makes him around the 87th percentile as far as pay. He is no where close to that in production, the wrong side of 30 with 3 seasons under contract after this & somehow that warranted you taking me to task.

I'm assuming you're now playing obtuse because you're embarrassed about being so foolish.... whatever. I know you continue to want to prove me wrong about something/anything, which is the only reason you responded in the first place. Should I expect more of this inane poop throwing?

STOMP
 
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STOMP said:
Oh please, our back and forths are there for anyone to read and you completely change the parameters of what you're referring to several times and now are attempting to pretend you're on the high road. Again, I stated his salary is that of a "pretty elite player" which his production does not meet. This season he's about the 60th highest paid player in a league of 450 players which makes him around the 87th percentile as far as pay. That he is no where close to that in production and somehow that warranted you taking me to task.

I'm assuming you're now playing obtuse because you're embarrassed about being so foolish.... whatever. I know you continue to want to prove me wrong about something/anything, which is the only reason you responded in the first place. Should I expect more of this silly poop throwing?

STOMP
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I've changed nothing, just supported my position with facts in multiple posts. Other posters have highlighted your inaccuracies in responses as well. Please continue to go write more of your book about how upset you are.
 
You changed my claim of Grant's salary being "pretty elite" to elite which you continue to hold onto like a life raft. You then went on to claim elite players make double that and defined what you deem to be elite players. I responded listing many who meet your qualifiers who have been making the same dollars as Grant. Now you want to say it's future contracts that matter when guys who signed extensions can't be traded for 6 months to a year after the extension kicks in because of the CBA restrictions. Again, elite players Fox & Bam... those guys have trade value despite being in the same salary neighborhood as Grant because their production is far greater.

You never had a point and your logic is a trainwreck

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
You changed my claim of Grant's salary being "pretty elite" to elite which you continue to hold onto like a life raft. You then went on to claim elite players make double that and defined what you deem to be elite players. I responded listing many who meet your qualifiers who have been making the same dollars as Grant. Now you want to say it's future contracts that matter when guys who signed extensions can't be traded for 6 months to a year after the extension kicks in because of the CBA restrictions. Again, elite players Fox & Bam... those guys have trade value despite being in the same salary neighborhood as Grant because their production is far greater.

You never had a point and your logic is a trainwreck

STOMP
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My point was the same in all responses, Grant is not paid like an elite player as you originally stated. Elite players in the NBA are paid significantly more, close to double. Pretty simple comments and straightforward logic.

Comparing Grant future contract to a player like Tatum old rookie extension when Tatum has a pending massive supermax raise coming is a totally misleading comparison. That's why I added additional explanation to when you stated this ridiculous comparison.

Even using NBA salaries for 2024-25 Grant isn't in the top50, again he's not paid like an elite player. So your logic fails no matter how you analyse it, whatever time period we're looking at, or present vs future.

Pretty obvious reading our posts who is stating basic facts and logic.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
My point was the same in all responses, Grant is not paid like an elite player as you originally stated. Elite players in the NBA are paid significantly more, close to double. Pretty simple comments and straightforward logic.
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I never claimed Grant is paid like an elite player silly and have gone over and over and over clarifying this. That 32M per is less then 60+ is not up for debate and once again not what I implied originally & have tried repeatedly to get past this nonsensical strawman argument of yours since. If you're trying to make the case that you're not playing obtuse but instead are a dolt you're doing a hell of a job. One more time to settle matters & this is the exact quote from me that somehow made your head spin... "his contract level is that of a player with pretty elite production". The word IS is important here, because it's present tense meaning I'm talking about today.... not the future, today. I'm comparing him to what guys are making today. And once again for the umpteenth time, by pretty elite production I'm meaning less then elite but up there... again, pretty obvious just looking at numbers that the 60th highest paid player in a league of 450 is up there in pay relative to his contemporaries. A team taking on this sort of salary from an advancing aged player will be expecting a real impact for their team... well above average production.

Comparing Grant future contract to a player like Tatum old rookie extension when Tatum has a pending massive supermax raise coming is a totally misleading comparison. That's why I added additional explanation to when you stated this ridiculous comparison. Even using NBA salaries for 2024-25 Grant isn't in the top50, again he's not paid like an elite player. So your logic fails no matter how you analyse it, whatever time period we're looking at, or present vs future.
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Again, we only started debating what an elite talent is because of your original butchering of my statement. You've since contorted this misconception to ridiculous levels that have absolutely nothing to do with my statement or very simple point... that this decent starting forward on the wrong side of 30 with 3 more years on his contract after this one is paid far more then he's worth in today's NBA and trading him for anything helpful to the PTB is a pipedream. There are other overpaid/underperforming players in the league that teams made mistakes on... thats what Grant's trade market is. With the tax aprons, Grant's advancing contract plus the expected diminishing returns of an aging player, he is most likely a Trailblazer for years to come. I've seen the trades you post in the Plausable Vet trade thread & lol!!!

A side note on production... my fantasy league goes about 90 players deep and of course managers keep players just based on today's production. Like last season, Grant is and has been available for anyone to add. Managers might add him after a hot game, but he's quickly available again. Based on Basketball Monsters ranking of player production this season, he's the 94th best player in the league. 30 teams with 5 starters each means he's producing at a level well below average while getting the most minutes/opportunities on the team... he's the featured guy

& top 50 in salary??? In my previous post I stated his salary puts him about 60th in today's contracts (fact) so you create another strawman to support your original misconception & somehow claim thats my logic fail? Sorry but thats you continuing to fail at basic reading comprehension

Pretty obvious reading our posts who is stating basic facts and logic.
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keep digging, you'll get to China any minute now.

STOMP
 
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STOMP said:
I never claimed Grant is paid like an elite player silly and have gone over and over and over clarifying this. That 32M per is less then 60+ is not up for debate and once again not what I implied originally & have tried repeatedly to get past this nonsensical strawman argument of yours since. If you're trying to make the case that you're not playing obtuse but instead are a dolt you're doing a hell of a job. One more time to settle matters & this is the exact quote from me that somehow made your head spin... "his contract level is that of a player with pretty elite production". The word IS is important here, because it's present tense meaning I'm talking about today.... not the future, today. I'm comparing him to what guys are making today. And once again for the umpteenth time, by pretty elite production I'm meaning less then elite but up there... again, pretty obvious just looking at numbers that the 60th highest paid player in a league of 450 is up there in pay relative to his contemporaries. A team taking on this sort of salary from an advancing aged player will be expecting a real impact for their team... well above average production.


Again, we only started debating what an elite talent is because of your original butchering of my statement. You've since contorted this misconception to ridiculous levels that have absolutely nothing to do with my statement or very simple point... that this decent starting forward on the wrong side of 30 with 3 more years on his contract after this one is paid far more then he's worth in today's NBA and trading him for anything helpful to the PTB is a pipedream. There are other overpaid/underperforming players in the league that teams made mistakes on... thats what Grant's trade market is. With the tax aprons, Grant's advancing contract plus the expected diminishing returns of an aging player, he is most likely a Trailblazer for years to come. I've seen the trades you post in the Plausable Vet trade thread & lol!!!

A side note on production... my fantasy league goes about 90 players deep and of course managers keep players just based on today's production. Like last season, Grant is and has been available for anyone to add. Managers might add him after a hot game, but he's quickly available again. Based on Basketball Monsters ranking of player production this season, he's the 94th best player in the league. 30 teams with 5 starters each means he's producing at a level well below average while getting the most minutes/opportunities on the team... he's the featured guy

& top 50 in salary??? In my previous post I stated his salary puts him about 60th in today's contracts (fact) so you create another strawman to support your original misconception & somehow claim thats my logic fail? Sorry but thats you continuing to fail at basic reading comprehension


keep digging, you'll get to China any minute now.

STOMP
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Fair enough, seems that you consider the 60th best player in the NBA to be "elite"

There are 30 teams with 5 starters thus 150 NBA starters. So the 75th player is an average starter. Id consider an elite player to be MUCH better than an average NBA starter. To me elite means at or close to an all-star or all-NBA level.
 
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