Lyerla and DAT

[Natebishop3]

I know Chip likes to spread the ball around, but we need to find more ways to get these guys the ball. Lyerla could easily put up 100+ yards receiving, and he has NFL written all over him.

DAT is a guy that should be getting the ball as much as possible in a number of different ways. I would like to see us try some more reverses because I haven't seen any so far this year.

 

[Sinobas]

Yeah, I think it's long over-due for colt to be a bigger part of the offense. I think a good TE would be a great target for a young QB, catching balls over the middle and as a check down recieiver out of the backfield. He's also good as a change up runner to pound the ball inside.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, I think it's long over-due for colt to be a bigger part of the offense. I think a good TE would be a great target for a young QB, catching balls over the middle and as a check down recieiver out of the backfield. He's also good as a change up runner to pound the ball inside.

The crazy thing is, he's super athletic too. Reminds me a bit of Vernon Davis, although Davis might be a step faster. I think they're working up to having him as the featured receiver, but I would love to see him get the ball five or six more times next week.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I think one of the reasons for our success is the fact we spread the ball around. Therefore Chip isn't too high on targeting those two. That said, I also think those two need more touches.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think one of the reasons for our success is the fact we spread the ball around. Therefore Chip isn't too high on targeting those two. That said, I also think those two need more touches.

I think Lyerla is definitely a #1 option type of player. The guy just does great things when he has the ball.

DAT is so versatile. Since teams aren't really punting to him, I'd like to see Chip use him on my reverses or maybe run the option a bit more.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I think Lyerla is definitely a #1 option type of player. The guy just does great things when he has the ball.

DAT is so versatile. Since teams aren't really punting to him, I'd like to see Chip use him on my reverses or maybe run the option a bit more.

Hell, for DAT, just just toss him the ball to the strong side and let him run.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hell, for DAT, just just toss him the ball to the strong side and let him run.

More sweeps. I like it.

 

[Natebishop3]

I agree up till you said they need more touches. The team and the attack benefit from spreading the ball around/keeping the D from keying on their best players. It also keeps their best players from getting worn down in games and over the course of the season. The team winning games >>> individual stats/awards

STOMP

We didn't spread the ball around this much when we had LMJ. We didn't spread it around this much when we had Maehl. We had had talented players before and CK found ways to get them the ball.

 

[STOMP]

The team and the attack benefit from spreading the ball around/keeping the D from keying on their best players. It also keeps their best players from getting worn down in games and over the course of the season. Whats the benefit of riding them hard vs the lessor foes vs having them closer to 100% for games where the outcome might be in doubt?

The team winning games >>> individual stats/awards

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

The team and the attack benefit from spreading the ball around/keeping the D from keying on their best players. It also keeps their best players from getting worn down in games and over the course of the season. Whats the benefit of riding them hard vs the lessor foes vs having them closer to 100% for games where the outcome might be in doubt?

The team winning games >>> individual stats/awards

STOMP

We didn't spread the ball around this much when we had LMJ. We didn't spread it around this much when we had Maehl. We had had talented players before and CK found ways to get them the ball.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

The team and the attack benefit from spreading the ball around/keeping the D from keying on their best players. It also keeps their best players from getting worn down in games and over the course of the season. Whats the benefit of riding them hard vs the lessor foes vs having them closer to 100% for games where the outcome might be in doubt?

The team winning games >>> individual stats/awards

STOMP

I dunno. It sounds good, but when you have players like DAT, Colt and Barner they all need major touches. It's your thoroughbreds that win the most races.

 

[PapaG]

Barner is 7th in the nation in rushing and is healthy halfway through the season for a team that is averaging 52 ppg. Why not keep doing what is working?

 

[STOMP]

We didn't spread the ball around this much when we had LMJ. We didn't spread it around this much when we had Maehl. We had had talented players before and CK found ways to get them the ball.

right, but CK has more talent now then ever before. In 2012 Oregon is averaging more yards per game in the air then they did in 2010 or 2011 with Maehl & Tuinei... btw, AT averaged 3.4 catches per game last year vs. DAT averaging 3.3 catches this. Oregon is averaging the same yards rushing per game as they did last year with LMJ and I'm pretty sure that last year's rushing attack was Kelly's best.

I dunno. It sounds good, but when you have players like DAT, Colt and Barner they all need major touches. It's your thoroughbreds that win the most races.

besides individual contests like the Heisman, which races is Oregon losing? All I've noticed is blowouts where Kelly is easing off the gas in the 2nd halves and a team positioned to win it's 4th straight Pac 12 championship and maybe more. All three of the guys you mention look really sharp to me, and I'm loving it that CK is utilizing his quality depth. Doing so keeps everyone involved/focused and the stars healthy for when more is needed

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

right, but CK has more talent now then ever before. In 2012 Oregon is averaging more yards per game in the air then they did in 2010 or 2011 with Maehl & Tuinei... btw, AT averaged 3.4 catches per game last year vs. DAT averaging 3.3 catches this. Oregon is averaging the same yards rushing per game as they did last year with LMJ and I'm pretty sure that last year's rushing attack was Kelly's best.



besides individual contests like the Heisman, which races is Oregon losing? All I've noticed is blowouts where Kelly is easing off the gas in the 2nd halves and a team positioned to win it's 4th straight Pac 12 championship and maybe more. All three of the guys you mention look really sharp to me, and I'm loving it that CK is utilizing his quality depth. Doing so keeps everyone involved/focused and the stars healthy for when more is needed

STOMP

Great, but the teams we've played thus far have not been defensive juggernauts, and Arizona, while an exceptional offensive team, is not known for their defense. That is why some of us have been so complimentary of our defense thus far. They have played exceptionally against some fairly good offensive teams. It's our offense that has played, imo, just okay against some very weak opponents. Are we really celebrating big wins over Louisiana Tech, Fresno State, etc? I think the win over Arizona and UW were good, solid wins. Most impressively done by the defense. Yes, we're putting up big numbers, but I think it's to be expected from this offense and against the opponents we're facing.

We can talk about our offense after we've played Stanford, USC, and Cal.

 

[STOMP]

Great, but the teams we've played thus far have not been defensive juggernauts, and Arizona, while an exceptional offensive team, is not known for their defense. That is why some of us have been so complimentary of our defense thus far. They have played exceptionally against some fairly good offensive teams. It's our offense that has played, imo, just okay against some very weak opponents. Are we really celebrating big wins over Louisiana Tech, Fresno State, etc? I think the win over Arizona and UW were good, solid wins. Most impressively done by the defense. Yes, we're putting up big numbers, but I think it's to be expected from this offense and against the opponents we're facing.

We can talk about our offense after we've played Stanford, USC, and Cal.

whoops, I'm sorry. I thought it was okay to talk about the offense now. I could have sworn someone started this thread to talk/complain about the offense, but my bad

STOMP

 

[Ghost Pepper]

I'm not sure I love running DAT through gaps taking on LB's and lineman heads up... I'd prefer to use him in space. We have Barner and Marshall to crack pads and even Colt for that matter.

 

[Natebishop3]

whoops, I'm sorry. I thought it was okay to talk about the offense now. I could have sworn someone started this thread to talk/complain about the offense, but my bad

STOMP

Oh please, you know what I meant. My point is, you talk about our offense like there's nothing to work on. Like there's no problems whatsoever because we've hung some big numbers on inferior opponents. When I said, "talk about the offense," I meant in the same breath and on the same level as the defense, but thanks for the feigned ignorance and the snark.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm not sure I love running DAT through gaps taking on LB's and lineman heads up... I'd prefer to use him in space. We have Barner and Marshall to crack pads and even Colt for that matter.

I don't think anyone is talking about using DAT in the same capacity as LMJ. We would like to see more screens, more sweeps, etc. So, essentially, use him in space as you said.

 

[STOMP]

Oh please, you know what I meant. My point is, you talk about our offense like there's nothing to work on. Like there's no problems whatsoever because we've hung some big numbers on inferior opponents. When I said, "talk about the offense," I meant in the same breath and on the same level as the defense, but thanks for the feigned ignorance and the snark.

you talk about the team's offense like they are struggling and CK is misusing his weapons. You offer no reasons why spreading the ball around might be a bad thing, just acting like it's a fact. I pointed out that they're doing just fine production wise by keeping a team focus and are guarding their stars health... thats much more important then individual production IMO. You then complain about the good ol' days of 1 and 2 years ago when they didn't spread touches around so much again offering no reasoning why this would be a good thing. I countered that they're actually producing more now and showed that this wasn't true last year with Tuinei as you suggested. You come back with some goobledygook about how the teams they've been playing aren't good on D so those stats don't count or some BS so I shouldn't talk about the offense like they've done anything

Again, whats the benefit of riding the stars hard against the lessor foes vs having them closer to 100% for games where the outcome might be in doubt? The only thing I come up with is that the stars would have better stats, but I support Chip in not prioritizing that.

I've never come close to indicating that there is nothing for the offense to work on or no problems, but thanks for that as everyone loves having BS views attributed to them. They've lost two starting offensive lineman, that sure doesn't make me happy/help the cause. They've a lot of work ahead on both sides of the ball and need to keep their focus. I do think this team's offense is better then it's D and hope/expect they'll continue to mow through their upcoming opponents... thats been my view all season because they seem a deep talented team with lots of upper classman and a dominant coach.

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

you talk about the team's offense like they are struggling and CK is misusing his weapons. You offer no reasons why spreading the ball around might be a bad thing, just acting like it's a fact. I pointed out that they're doing just fine production wise by keeping a team focus and are guarding their stars health... thats much more important then individual production IMO. You then complain about the good ol' days of 1 and 2 years ago when they didn't spread touches around so much again offering no reasoning why this would be a good thing. I countered that they're actually producing more now and showed that this wasn't true last year with Tuinei as you suggested. You come back with some goobledygook about how the teams they've been playing aren't good on D so those stats don't count or some BS so I shouldn't talk about the offense like they've done anything

Again, whats the benefit of riding the stars hard against the lessor foes vs having them closer to 100% for games where the outcome might be in doubt? The only thing I come up with is that the stars would have better stats, but I support Chip in not prioritizing that.

I've never come close to indicating that there is nothing for the offense to work on or no problems, but thanks for that as everyone loves having BS views attributed to them. They've lost two starting offensive lineman, that sure doesn't make me happy/help the cause. They've a lot of work ahead on both sides of the ball and need to keep their focus. I do think this team's offense is better then it's D and hope/expect they'll continue to mow through their upcoming opponents... thats been my view all season because they seem a deep talented team with lots of upper classman and a dominant coach.

STOMP

There's a difference between "riding your stars hard" and actually getting them the touches they deserve. This team relied pretty heavily on LMJ the past few years, and it's nice that we don't have to do that as much anymore, but do you honestly feel that Lyerla is getting enough passes? That DAT is getting the ball as much as he should be? They're "stars" because good things happen we they touch the ball. Why wouldn't you want them to get the ball more?

 

[STOMP]

There's a difference between "riding your stars hard" and actually getting them the touches they deserve. This team relied pretty heavily on LMJ the past few years, and it's nice that we don't have to do that as much anymore, but do you honestly feel that Lyerla is getting enough passes? That DAT is getting the ball as much as he should be? They're "stars" because good things happen we they touch the ball. Why wouldn't you want them to get the ball more?

because they're winning games by landslide scores while keeping their best healthy for bigger games down the road. Because spreading the ball around puts the team first and everyone focused/involved. Because the football genius who directs the attack wants it that way... apparently he feels other players deserve touches too

I guess despite posing the same question multiple times you're not going to back up your opinion with reasoning

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

because they're winning games by landslide scores while keeping their best healthy for bigger games down the road. Because spreading the ball around puts the team first and everyone focused/involved. Because the football genius who directs the attack wants it that way... apparently he feels other players deserve touches too

I guess despite posing the same question multiple times you're not going to back up your opinion with reasoning

STOMP

I'll pose the same question when you decide to answer that question by posting the same answer multiple times.

But since you asked for it, here are some stats to back up my opinion and reasoning.

Colt Lyerla - 12 receptions for 189 yards and four touchdowns FOR THE SEASON. 12 receptions over six games? You think that's enough?

DeAnthony Thomas - 20 receptions for 205 yards and three touchdowns FOR THE SEASON. While that's 8 more than Colt, you think that's enough for someone of DAT's talent?

I understand saving your players for better competition, but 12 or 20 receptions over six games is pretty ridiculous, especially when you take into account the production that we are getting out of those receptions. I could also understand spreading the ball around if we had the talented players that warranted the touches, but do you honestly believe that Eric Dungy, Will Murphy, and Daryl Hawkins are quality receivers? I would love to see Huff get the ball more, but he's obviously still injured, and it is affecting his play. I'm also curious why we haven't seen more of Vaughn, but it appears he's below Dungy, Murphy, Hawkins, and even Stanford and Lowe on the depth chart. Go figure.

 

[MickZagger]

I'll pose the same question when you decide to answer that question by posting the same answer multiple times.

But since you asked for it, here are some stats to back up my opinion and reasoning.

Colt Lyerla - 12 receptions for 189 yards and four touchdowns FOR THE SEASON. 12 receptions over six games? You think that's enough?

DeAnthony Thomas - 20 receptions for 205 yards and three touchdowns FOR THE SEASON. While that's 8 more than Colt, you think that's enough for someone of DAT's talent?

I understand saving your players for better competition, but 12 or 20 receptions over six games is pretty ridiculous, especially when you take into account the production that we are getting out of those receptions. I could also understand spreading the ball around if we had the talented players that warranted the touches, but do you honestly believe that Eric Dungy, Will Murphy, and Daryl Hawkins are quality receivers? I would love to see Huff get the ball more, but he's obviously still injured, and it is affecting his play. I'm also curious why we haven't seen more of Vaughn, but it appears he's below Dungy, Murphy, Hawkins, and even Stanford and Lowe on the depth chart. Go figure.

Part of what makes the offense so good is that it isn't predictable. Spreading the ball around and plugging in different players is what makes the offense what it is. If a recruit wants to be the #1 wideout type guy he shouldn't sign with the Ducks because he isn't going to be showcased like guys like Woods, or Lee at USC.

Just look at the last game for example. Will Murphy led the team in receptions.

The offense is probably better than its ever been right now. No cause for panic.

 

[Natebishop3]

Part of what makes the offense so good is that it isn't predictable. Spreading the ball around and plugging in different players is what makes the offense what it is. If a recruit wants to be the #1 wideout type guy he shouldn't sign with the Ducks because he isn't going to be showcased like guys like Woods, or Lee at USC.

Just look at the last game for example. Will Murphy led the team in receptions.

The offense is probably better than its ever been right now. No cause for panic.

Nobody is panicking. I am merely wondering aloud why two of our best players aren't getting more touches. And as I've pointed out before, this offense was pretty damn predictable when we were giving LMJ 20 to 30 carries per game, but that didn't seem to slow our offense down. There's a reason why you give the ball to guys like Woods and Lee of USC, it's because they're amazing talents and they will deliver. Who would you rather lead the team in receptions, Will freaking Murphy or Colt Lyerla?

 

[MickZagger]

Who would you rather lead the team in receptions, Will freaking Murphy or Colt Lyerla?

If it produces and keeps the opposing defenses guessing, I don't give a rats.

I'm willing to bet you look around the NFL at 1st round tight ends and Lyerla is on pace to do better than what they did in their sophomore years.

 

[Natebishop3]

If it produces and keeps the opposing defenses guessing, I don't give a rats.

I'm willing to bet you look around the NFL at 1st round tight ends and Lyerla is on pace to do better than what they did in their sophomore years.

I guess we'll find out if it produces and keeps opposing defenses guessing when we actually face a quality defense.

 

[Sinobas]

Speaking of LaMichael, I wonder if he'll ever get playing time with the 49ers. I was excited to see him get drafted, but now he's 4th on the depth chart.

 

[Natebishop3]

Speaking of LaMichael, I wonder if he'll ever get playing time with the 49ers. I was excited to see him get drafted, but now he's 4th on the depth chart.

I have been wondering the same damn thing. I like Kendall Hunter, but I really want to see what LMJ can do in the NFL. I'm not saying he should climb up the depth chart, but in a blowout like the one against Buffalo, I would REALLY like to see him get some burn.

 

[STOMP]

I'll pose the same question when you decide to answer that question by posting the same answer multiple times.

I have no idea what you were trying to say

But since you asked for it, here are some stats to back up my opinion and reasoning.

Colt Lyerla - 12 receptions for 189 yards and four touchdowns FOR THE SEASON. 12 receptions over six games? You think that's enough?

He's looked sharp/great when he's had his opportunities. I'm mostly happy he seems healthy and that they've been so dominant... I'm a team guy & really couldn't care less about whether someone is being properly featured vs Arkansas St.

DeAnthony Thomas - 20 receptions for 205 yards and three touchdowns FOR THE SEASON. While that's 8 more than Colt, you think that's enough for someone of DAT's talent?

see above

I understand saving your players for better competition, but 12 or 20 receptions over six games is pretty ridiculous, especially when you take into account the production that we are getting out of those receptions. I could also understand spreading the ball around if we had the talented players that warranted the touches, but do you honestly believe that Eric Dungy, Will Murphy, and Daryl Hawkins are quality receivers?

if you were a reporter at a CK presser leveling theses concerns and reasoning, I suspect you'd generate a smirk and a two word answer... "next question" It seems really silly to me that you place such huge importance on who is getting touches when they're averaging in the 50s. You know that type of featured WR (Tuinei) you spoke of pining for? Last year through 6 games he had all of 19 catches. Of course he wasn't also returning kicks and getting touches at RB. If you look inside his stats you might notice that his biggest catch games were in some the biggest games (LSU, Wisky)... the sort of games I'm suggesting CK might be saving his stars for.

I definitely think that Dungy, Murphy & Hawkins haven't been given a thing... they've earned their opportunities. All three are very physical blockers and in case you weren't aware thats a pretty valued attribute by Chip's staff. They sometimes leak out to catch a pass, but more often then not they're leading DAT on swing pass and contributing to Oregon's dominant run game... happy to have them

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

I have been wondering the same damn thing. I like Kendall Hunter, but I really want to see what LMJ can do in the NFL. I'm not saying he should climb up the depth chart, but in a blowout like the one against Buffalo, I would REALLY like to see him get some burn.

Niners are sitting both LMJ and A.J. Jenkins, their #2 and #1 draft picks. Very odd. Neither of them are even suiting up for games, are they?