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If you want to effect social change, you have to actually do something.

You already have the power you need.

Organize, unionize, vote.

Yes, it's a lot of work. Might take years, or decades. But it's the only way to make things better.

barfo
 
barfo said:
If you want to effect social change, you have to actually do something.

You already have the power you need.

Organize, unionize, vote.

Yes, it's a lot of work. Might take years, or decades. But it's the only way to make things better.

barfo
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I think our pirate friend is broken. Get him more rum.
 
Road Ratt said:
Keeping money out of Millennials hands by way of lower wages so that corporations can keep it... is on corporations, and our government for siding with them over hard working Americans. American workers should prosper... along with the country and companies they worked so hard to help build. It's pretty clear that American workers are currently being exploited. Race to the bottom, as they say....
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Older generations always make more than younger ones, for good reasons - experience, resources, and to a lesser extent, yes, greed. I'm in my 50s and make money that I never could have made in my 20s and 30s. That's just how it works.

But in any case, you will never make any wealth working for a corporation or someone else. You have to work for yourself, and/or invest. Real estate is a proven winner for starters.

I strongly suggest you read this book by Robert Kiyosaki. It will teach you everything you need to know, in an easy to understand way.
 
Stevenson said:
Older generations always make more than younger ones, for good reasons - experience, resources, and to a lesser extent, yes, greed. I'm in my 50s and make money that I never could have made in my 20s and 30s. That's just how it works.
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Sorry, it doesn't seem to me that you understand. At the same age as your generation was at the time, your generation had more buying power than a Millennial does nowadays. (Of course at 50+ you should be making more money due to experience, etc. .)

Many of the great paying jobs, that didn't get outsourced to other countries, are being automated out of existence, at a historically record pace here in America. They are being replaced with lower wage jobs. Millennials are straight up getting screwed.

Our U.S. government has corporations backs, but nobody has American workers backs. It's no wonder that we see the level of poverty across America that we have today.
 
Road Ratt said:
Taking a shot at me?!? That seems childish and petty...
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It's not a shot at you.

But if your generation wants something, it needs to work for it.

There's no reason you can't reorganize the system to suit yourselves, but you can't expect any other generation to do it for you.

barfo
 
Road Ratt said:
Your post wasn't shooting holes in my post. It was clearly a cheap shot at me.

Lying in the lying thread, the freaking irony...
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Hope that chip on your shoulder doesn't cause bruising, it looks pretty heavy.

It was, actually, a response to your post. Obviously.

barfo
 
barfo said:
It's not a shot at you.

But if your generation wants something, it needs to work for it.

There's no reason you can't reorganize the system to suit yourselves, but you can't expect any other generation to do it for you.

barfo
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See I knew it, I knew one day you and I would agree on something. :).

I have this conversation amongst my friends all the time, there's a few of us who put in a lot of hours, and work / making money is a priority for us and guess what we all make a decent living, are we 1 %ers? no. Does it mean bad stuff won't happen to us financially? no. In that same group of friends, there are a few who literally refuse to do anything but the bare minimum and they're always mad at the world that they just don't "have more". I'm not saying @Road Ratt is one of those types, I'd even say I agree with him to a large extent that the American government and corporate greed are largely corrupt and working against average people. At some point though instead of being pissed at the government and corporations for not just handing you all the things you want you're gonna have to go work your butt off for it.

A lot of if it seems like fake outrage at those corporations too, because we have choices but people keep shopping at Amazon, keep making google accounts, keep buying iPhones, that'll show em' you're mad at the way they're going about their business. I'm guilty of that some myself, I think Microsoft is pretty freaking close to the black plague, but here I am on windows 10.

I realize this is completely anecdotal and there are very hard-working people who for whatever reason things just don't go there way, finding jobs, finding sustenance is hard.
 
barfo said:
Hope that chip on your shoulder doesn't cause bruising, it looks pretty heavy.
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It's not a chip, it's aspergers. When I see a lie, I will point it out. That is just the way I am. Doesn't matter who is doing the lying either.

If you want to pick holes in anything you disagree with me about, fine. But don't take petty cheap shots at my post(s). I don't deserve to be treated that way. (It was a snide and childish response to my post. You simply can't see it, or won't aknowledge it. That's not on me.)
 
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
See I knew it, I knew one day you and I would agree on something. :).
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It probably means the rapture is nigh.

I have this conversation amongst my friends all the time, there's a few of us who put in a lot of hours, and work / making money is a priority for us and guess what we all make a decent living, are we 1 %ers? no. Does it mean bad stuff won't happen to us financially? no. In that same group of friends, there are a few who literally refuse to do anything but the bare minimum and they're always mad at the world that they just don't "have more". I'm not saying @Road Ratt is one of those types, I'd even say I agree with him to a large extent that the American government and corporate greed are largely corrupt and working against average people. At some point though instead of being pissed at the government and corporations for not just handing you all the things you want you're gonna have to go work your butt off for it.

A lot of if it seems like fake outrage at those corporations too, because we have choices but people keep shopping at Amazon, keep making google accounts, keep buying iPhones, that'll show em' you're mad at the way they're going about their business. I'm guilty of that some myself, I think Microsoft is pretty freaking close to the black plague, but here I am on windows 10.

I realize this is completely anecdotal and there are very hard-working people who for whatever reason things just don't go there way, finding jobs, finding sustenance is hard.
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It's very hard to make change in our society and very easy to sit back and complain about the lack of change (or the lack of fairness, or the excessive corruption, etc.)
It's all true, there is corruption in government, there is corruption in business, the rules are skewed towards the rich and powerful, and then that isn't enough so they break the rules that they themselves wrote. But... the people still have the power to change things if they want to badly enough. If they aren't comfortable enough with the status quo. When I look at the protests in Hong Kong, I conclude that people here are pretty much ok with our status quo.

And no, I don't practice what I preach. I'm a well-off old white male. It's just not in my immediate personal interest to change the system. I'll support you young whippersnappers if you decide to remake the world. I just hope the revolution will be televised so I don't have to get off the couch.

barfo
 
Road Ratt said:
It's not a chip, it's aspergers. When I see a lie, I will point it out. That is just the way I am. Doesn't matter who is doing the lying either.
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Well, you might want to consider that your interpretation of other people's posts might not be accurate. Aspergers doesn't make a person infallible.

If you want to pick holes in anything you disagree with me about, fine. But don't take petty cheap shots at my post(s). I don't deserve to be treated that way.
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You might want to look up 'the golden rule' before opining on what treatment you do or don't deserve.

barfo
 
barfo said:
If you want to effect social change, you have to actually do something.

You already have the power you need.

Organize, unionize, vote.

Yes, it's a lot of work. Might take years, or decades. But it's the only way to make things better.

barfo
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I think you left out two Pirate "go to" moves....mutiny and walking the plank after a mutiny. You need to get your sea leg(s) back under you!
 
Road Ratt said:
At the same age as your generation was at the time, your generation had more buying power than a Millennial does nowadays. (Of course at 50+ you should be making more money due to experience, etc. .)

Many of the great paying jobs, that didn't get outsourced to other countries, are being automated out of existence, at a historically record pace here in America. They are being replaced with lower wage jobs. Millennials are straight up getting screwed.
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Excuse me, but what buying power are you talking about? In my 20s, I parked cars for tips and sold magazines over the phone for $7/hr. We were coming off the era of Carter malaise and the brutal Reagan recession.

Unlike you, we didn't have side gigs, or remote work, or flextime, or LinkedIn connections or anything else. Just shitty, low-paying jobs.

Personally, things didn't change for me until I went back to school and then started my own business. That is what I am suggesting you should consider too. No one is gong to protect "workers" in this gig economy; those days are gone.
 
Stevenson said:
Excuse me, but what buying power are you talking about? In my 20s, I parked cars for tips and sold magazines over the phone for $7/hr. We were coming off the era of Carter malaise and the brutal Reagan recession.
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I wasn't talking about your personal buying power, your generations buying power compared to Millennials. If you have ever read any articles on the subject you will see that my statement is correct.
 
Road Ratt said:
Hillary having the DNC stack the deck in her favor... was illegal.




True, but not at the expense of American workers. Currently corporations are getting help, from our very own government, to suppress American wages, making it unfair for American workers, but highly profitable for corporations. The only winners here are corporations. Personally I find it disturbing that American workers are constantly asked to tighten their belts yet the richest people on the planet get to ship more money off to their offshore bank accounts to hide it away from the tax man, due to tax breaks they keep receiving, while more than half of Americans are currently having troubles making it from pay check to pay check. With all the homeless stacking up everywhere, it's pretty clear that neither party gives a shit about Americans.

Millennials have the lowest buying power of any generation that came before it. Before them it was Gen X'ers.

America's new motto should be: "Lowering the standards of living for Americans since Ronald Reagan"...
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If what Hillary did was illegal, when is she going to be indicted?
 
riverman said:
My IRAs and Mutual funds are now managed by my wife and I.....I took the broker out of the loop..same brokerage but I did what they do....took my money out of the risk game when Trump was elected....now it doesn't roller coaster with every tweet he puts out there....didn't make massive gains the last 2 years but didn't lose a nickel. Any investor can take the management of their investments out of the broker's hands at any time. I lost about 7K overnight when 9/11 happened.....not doing that again. I used to play the money market keeping 3 currencies and buying and selling them....that's where the titans rake in trillions....they can change the value of the dollar with their own money by just moving it into another currency
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I use an investor at Merrill Lynch and I've made a ton. Right now I've taken my money out of the stock market for obvious reasons. If you have any other stocks, they will manage them for free.
 
Lanny said:
If what Hillary did was illegal, when is she going to be indicted?
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I am sorry but I am not sure why you would even ask this. (Unless you are being sarcastic, I don't always recognize sarcasm.)

Hillary tampered with the DNC, that is illegal, period. Trying to prove that it was somehow legal isn't even an option, obviously. If you have anything else, let me know.
 
Road Ratt said:
I am sorry but I am not sure why you would even ask this. (Unless you are being sarcastic, I don't always recognize sarcasm.)

Hillary tampered with the DNC, that is illegal, period. Trying to prove that it was somehow legal isn't even an option, obviously. If you have anything else, let me know.
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Same old question. If what she did was illegal when is Trump and his henchmen going to have her indicted? Why can't I get an answer to what seems like a pretty straight forward question?
 
Lanny said:
Same old question. If what she did was illegal when is Trump and his henchmen going to have her indicted? Why can't I get an answer to what seems like a pretty straight forward question?
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It is pretty clear that we disagree on her guilt. We will just have to agree to disagree sir. :kidchocolate:
 
Road Ratt said:
It is pretty clear that we disagree on her guilt. We will just have to agree to disagree sir. :kidchocolate:
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Okay, but my original question is still unanswered and it appears to me that you've got nothing but some sort of personal ax to grind with her. I've never yet seen any evidence backing up all these claims that she's crooked other than inner personal feelings. Any hard evidence would surely lead to indictments.
 
Lanny said:
Okay, but my original question is still unanswered and it appears to me that you've got nothing but some sort of personal ax to grind with her. I've never yet seen any evidence backing up all these claims that she's crooked other than inner personal feelings. Any hard evidence would surely lead to indictments.
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I think your line of thinking on this is very, very illogical. You’re free to your opinion though, so I’ll just leave at that.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I think your line of thinking on this is very, very illogical. You’re free to your opinion though, so I’ll just leave at that.
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I think you mean that lots of people get away with crimes, and so lack of indictment doesn't prove no crime was committed?

In general I'd agree with that. Clinton is a bit of a special case, though, as there has been a huge effort over the last 30 years to find a crime to charge her with.

You can argue that for a portion of that time she was protected from prosecution by friendly administrations. But it's hard to claim that the current administration is cutting her any slack. You would assume if they had any evidence of criminality in the vault, they'd be bringing charges. It would make the base very, very happy.

So I think it's a fairly good bet that there isn't anything to charge her with, at least at the federal level, and within the statute of limitations.

As for the particular issue of the DNC, I don't know what the specific crime would be.

barfo
 
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