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the dodgers get something like 250 MM a year from local tv rights alone, ticket prices are likely pure profit
 
3RA1N1AC said:
the dodgers get something like 250 MM a year from local tv rights alone, ticket prices are likely pure profit
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Well if they're doing okay getting money else where why ask for such ridiculous for tickets. Like I said JMO but I still think much of it has to do with the high salaries.
 
...I'd like to know what the Yanx take in during a sold out home game including the gate and concessions.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
the dodgers get something like 250 MM a year from local tv rights alone, ticket prices are likely pure profit
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The Bums revenue from TWB-C; I posted right here during ST, with all the stats and facts. The Bums received 10 Million more than their entire payroll from TWB-C.

Yet, have you forgotten the Bums also raised the AVERAGE ticket price anywhere from 70% to 125% per seat? So Yes, the Fans are the One and Only's who are paying the inflated price not just for excessively priced tickets. (Keep in mind it wasn't that long ago, one could sit in the OF bleachers for ONLY $3.00?). Today same seat cost $15-$25. Still a good deal but try to take a small family of 4 to a game, while trying to find tickets within your price range, being on the field level, not even behind home plate, not behind the dugout, but b/t the dugout and foul pole. Those tix are out of control.

Then for only 2 peeps, ya' got the 42$ for 2 Dodger Dogs, 2 Sodas, 2 bags of Peanuts, and one ice cream bar. NTM-the 25$ parking. Programs, moreso Year Books, don't even mention them....

..........the team still pays ZERO taxes to the City or County or State. They receive 100% of ALL REVENUES.... sick to say.....all concessions, all parking, all tix, then top it off with a sick pay out from TWB-C, which will increase yearly for the next 25 years.

8.6 Billion was the Monetary figure TWB paid to the Bums for broadcasting rights. Easily the price to buy a couple of MLB teams.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
the dodgers get something like 250 MM a year from local tv rights alone, ticket prices are likely pure profit
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So what happens if/when the "fans" AFTER they stop showing up at the ballparks cancel their cable service - even if temporarily/indefinitely as a show of protest ? Hmmmmm?

And now that we are in a new year, allow me, as a Yankee fan, to end the Madbum Giants honeymoon.....
......it could be a very ODD YEAR when the Giants win another WS without MADBUM pitching practically better than any pitcher in postseason history, without their best WS hitter (Sandoval), and not playing one of the weakest hitting teams (Royals) in the WS.

I think it's about time the SF Giants revert back to their previous four decade status. Enjoy the 2014 run - it could the last for a long time.

GO YANKS!
 
totus44 said:
You guys do realize that there are 250,000 to 400,000 individuals earning more that $1M/yr in the US (numbers from 2007-2011).

Baseball players are part of the 1%. Most of those other people do have a 20-50 year earning span, in the MLB its 5.6 years.
Ballplayers and agents understand this fiscal reality and negotiate accordingly.

Also in this group you can include top doctors and attorneys, most B movie and up Hollywood stars/agents/execs, other sports stars, TV &Radio personalities, ceos and execs of fortune 500 companies, elite builders/contractors, investors and speculators.....and on and on.

Look, with baseball, you either have 30 uber wealthy ownership groups....or the current distributive wealth system. In the case of the MLBPA, I think they made a successful argument that owners didn't build baseball alone...its the player/performers that made significant contributions. Would you prefer that team remain private corporate entities and have profit sharing and no reported salaries?
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Give me a base salary, and bonuses, for "play-pay for performance"....NOTE: I did say a BASE SALARY, then incentives, for milestones, and/or pre-determined accomplishments. Then we can talk profit sharing. Tho' I'd really rather not have profit sharing at all. Smacks of Socialism, the Lib-tard front.

But what is wrong with incentives. I believe in as much. cut my teeth on as much. A better way to get more cash than a bloated salary. A better way to get a higher level of play too....! Will a rabbit come out of its hole without the carrot.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...I'd like to know what the Yanx take in during a sold out home game including the gate and concessions.
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I'll have to dig that up again...think I did a rough calc for Boston a ways back. You take avg attendance by avg tix price. I recall seeing somewhere that people spend roughly the same money on concessions as they do tickets, and that factors into how pricing is set.

For major markets, I think its a safe assumption that stadium revenues are ancillary to media related revenue. Oh and let's also note that home teams split the gate with visitors. Thus its far more important to the Royals to have series vs the Yanks rather than the Jays. Thus the driver behind the new scheduling matrix and interleague play.

As long as people watch games on TV, listen to the radio, and stream on the internet all the while getting exposed to the advertisers....the folks sitting in the stands are icing on the cake, not the main course. Not to turn this into an old guy/young guy pissing match, but fans in the stands just aren't that necessary anymore. If they were, they'd be building 75k+ capacity stadiums.
 
totus44 said:
I'll have to dig that up again...think I did a rough calc for Boston a ways back. You take avg attendance by avg tix price. I recall seeing somewhere that people spend roughly the same money on concessions as they do tickets, and that factors into how pricing is set.

For major markets, I think its a safe assumption that stadium revenues are ancillary to media related revenue. Oh and let's also note that home teams split the gate with visitors. Thus its far more important to the Royals to have series vs the Yanks rather than the Jays. Thus the driver behind the new scheduling matrix and interleague play.

As long as people watch games on TV, listen to the radio, and stream on the internet all the while getting exposed to the advertisers....the folks sitting in the stands are icing on the cake, not the main course. Not to turn this into an old guy/young guy pissing match, but fans in the stands just aren't that necessary anymore. If they were, they'd be building 75k+ capacity stadiums.
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I tend to agree. See 1st paragraph of post #36. lol
 
totus44 said:
I'll have to dig that up again...think I did a rough calc for Boston a ways back. You take avg attendance by avg tix price. I recall seeing somewhere that people spend roughly the same money on concessions as they do tickets, and that factors into how pricing is set.

For major markets, I think its a safe assumption that stadium revenues are ancillary to media related revenue. Oh and let's also note that home teams split the gate with visitors. Thus its far more important to the Royals to have series vs the Yanks rather than the Jays. Thus the driver behind the new scheduling matrix and interleague play.

As long as people watch games on TV, listen to the radio, and stream on the internet all the while getting exposed to the advertisers....the folks sitting in the stands are icing on the cake, not the main course. Not to turn this into an old guy/young guy pissing match, but fans in the stands just aren't that necessary anymore. If they were, they'd be building 75k+ capacity stadiums.
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Again, #1 if that's really true then why do they need to keep jacking up ticket prices? Why do tickets that use to be (not long ago) $100.00 now cost $500.00?

And #2 with all due respect Tom considering the amount of money these teams make in ATTENDANCE, that's the dumbest statement you've ever made.
 
I thought I would never see these absurd amount of TV/Cable deals.....

enough to buy an avg of 10 MLB teams, for the Bums or even M's TV deals.....
 
Advertisers are realizing that sports are the only "must-see-live TV" right now, and are paying premium for live sporting events.
 
Rick2583 said:
Again, #1 if that's really true then why do they need to keep jacking up ticket prices? Why do tickets that use to be (not long ago) $100.00 now cost $500.00?

And #2 with all due respect Tom considering the amount of money these teams make in ATTENDANCE, that's the dumbest statement you've ever made.
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Rick you do really need to get with 2015. You keep raising tix prices because you can and someone will always be there to pay. Baseball is big business, its not about poor schlepps going to a game. You want the experience, you pay for it.
 
totus44 said:
Rick you do really need to get with 2015. You keep raising tix prices because you can and someone will always be there to pay. Baseball is big business, its not about poor schlepps going to a game. You want the experience, you pay for it.
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And your reasoning behind your other statement that "Fans in the stands just aren't necessary" means what?

Before answering lets break it down this way, Humor me, the Yankees average 40,000 fans a game, lets say between the $10.00 tickets & the $1000.00 tickets that the average price is say $100.00. Multiply that by 40,000 fans (per game) then multiply that but 81 home games. Now math has never been my favorite subject but off the top of my head I think that comes out to over $32M dollars a year. Now, tell me again how the revenue that the fans bring in isn't really necessary.

And note: that figure is just for attendance, we're not even talking about concession & parking. Just saying.
 
Rick, I'm also not a math professor but your basic math skills are nothing to sneeze at...lol.....also, can we all just take the eye test- picture this, MLB teams playing games in an empty stadium .…...
 
an easier way to look at it is the yanks draw what, 3 million fans a year?

x $100 is $300 million
 
Rick2583 said:
Again, #1 if that's really true then why do they need to keep jacking up ticket prices? Why do tickets that use to be (not long ago) $100.00 now cost $500.00?

And #2 with all due respect Tom considering the amount of money these teams make in ATTENDANCE, that's the dumbest statement you've ever made.
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Again Rick you are missing the point. The major market teams are essentially giving away their attendance money in revenue sharing, its inconsequential to their bottom line. The ticket prices at Yankees Stadium arent driven by salaries paid to players, at least in NY. You are applying pre-FA and pre-cable/internet economics in your thinking. The 60s and 70s are over, this is baseball in the 21st century. You pay for the privilege to experience the game live and in person. It used to cost $20/head to get into Disneyland, now its a $100.

You want a cheap seat? Try your couch in front of your TV or a stool at a sports bar. We all get that you don't like it, most people don't. But there are enough people out there that don't find these prices absurd, at that's all that matters to the MLB.
 
Rick2583 said:
And your reasoning behind your other statement that "Fans in the stands just aren't necessary" means what?

Before answering lets break it down this way, Humor me, the Yankees average 40,000 fans a game, lets say between the $10.00 tickets & the $1000.00 tickets that the average price is say $100.00. Multiply that by 40,000 fans (per game) then multiply that but 81 home games. Now math has never been my favorite subject but off the top of my head I think that comes out to over $32M dollars a year. Now, tell me again how the revenue that the fans bring in isn't really necessary.

And note: that figure is just for attendance, we're not even talking about concession & parking. Just saying.
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Divide that in half and then subtract the operating costs for the Stadium. And you aren't factoring the $64M bond payments that pays for the stadium, etc. <10% of the Franchise revenue. They are earning more via investment profits annually. Have you ever run a business?
 
^^^I don't get your accounting approach on this...doesn't matter where the money comes from...credits are credits and debits are debits...it's all Yankee money.

...the money taken in at the stadium is quite a chunk of change...and it does matter.
 
yankeesince59 said:
^^^I don't get your accounting approach on this...doesn't matter where the money comes from...credits are credits and debits are debits...it's all Yankee money.

...the money taken in at the stadium is quite a chunk of change...and it does matter.
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In comparison to the other revenue sources, attendance money is a very small %. Look, maybe to you and your biz that's important, but to billion dollar businesses the Pareto Rule applies. That is as simple as I can make this point.

That and I challenge Rick's casual linkage of player salary to ticket prices. If anything, tix price is a function of operating costs and revenue sharing.
 
...again, do whatever accounting gymnastics you like, but money is money and it all goes to the bottom line regardless of how it is acquired...and you can't simply look at ticket prices alone because it's not the only way the teams pick the pockets of their patrons...and sorry, but not all teams have big TV deals.
...no one has said that the money taken in from TV deals doesn't matter, because is does...but by the same token, implying that the money from the fans' pockets during games doesn't really matter is silly, because it does.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...again, do whatever accounting gymnastics you like, but money is money and it all goes to the bottom line regardless of how it is acquired...and you can't simply look at ticket prices alone because it's not the only way the teams pick the pockets of their patrons...and sorry, but not all teams have big TV deals.
...no one has said that the money taken in from TV deals doesn't matter, because is does...but by the same token, implying that the money from the fans' pockets during games doesn't really matter is silly, because it does.
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I said that ticket revenues for "major market teams" were 'inconsequential", and I didn't say the money didn't matter, these guys will count every penny. To drill down to specifics, let's talk only about the Yankees because this started over statements about their tix pricing. The Yanks care most about the top 20% of their business that generates 80% of their revenue. That means the sale of YES and the cable deal, Everything else is icing for them. Those other revenue streams are seasonal, they fluctuate and can't be counted on.

40,888 x $51.55 = $21M using 2013 numbers, where total revenues were $461M. That's 4.6% to put it into perspective. So if your main focus is on the cable deals and live viewing of games remotely, in stadium activities are a minor focus. Thus someone ran the numbers and it showed that selling $500/seat where they used to sell that same seat for $100 was more profitable. You can argue with this all you like but facts are facts.... Your avg Joe fan in the stands don't matter. They matter more in front of their TVs and computers.
 
...lemme simplify this and hopefully put an end to this silliness...do you seriously think that ticket revenues and other revenues generated by the fans at the stadium are "inconsequential" to the Steins?
 
not to derail the attendance thread, but people (Boras?) are putting out craziness about Scherzer. The M's? Really?

 
Oh and for the record, I'm not a fan of the high ticket prices. Its just that I'm not naive enough to think that they are a result of player salary increases. That's like saying the price hike for the new iPhone/iPad was because the Apple Board gave themselves a pay raise.

I've paid $500/seat for the privilege to see a game in Yankees Stadium, something my sister and I will never forget. It was an awesome experience. But I don't recall the thank you card from Jeter for the $1.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...lemme simplify this and hopefully put an end to this silliness...do you seriously think that ticket revenues and other revenues generated by the fans at the stadium are "inconsequential" to the Steins?
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Just talking about the money at the gate/turn styles.....yup, its icing on the cake. If it mattered to them then seats would be priced to be sold out each and every night...right?
 
Head.....................................................................................................meet wall.
 
it'd be interesting, but you'd probably be getting rid of Iwakuma. Not that that's a huge deal for me (especially if we're getting Max), but adding another 17ish million to the payroll (max-kuma) would be pretty unprecedented after Cruz.
 
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