Magic on VC: “His Knees are Gone”
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jan 25 2008, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 25 2008, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Even if Vince's knees are gone (I don't agree), with a proper off-season program he could get a significant amount of explosiveness.
The only NBA player to play after having microfracture surgery on both knees now has the same explosiveness as he did in 2002.</div>
Even assuming you weren't implying that microfracture surgery is appropriate for Vince, this is as speculative as Magic Johnson's assessment. If it is something in the knees, we have no idea what it is or that it would in the least be comparable to the experiences of someone deemed a candidate for or recovering from microfracture surgery.
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Wow, you completely missed the point.
I was in no way implying that Vince needed microfracture surgery. Rather my point is that even for someone coming back from the most debilitating knee surgery, it is possible to rehab back explosiveness. As I said, I don't believe Vince's knees are shot; however, I do believe that he needs a summer of intensive rehab to recondition himself.
He can jump just fine on occasion, but he isn't comfortable doing it all the time. He's a multi-year NBA player that use to jump a lot. It is time for him to change his conditioning program.
The only NBA player to play after having microfracture surgery on both knees now has the same explosiveness as he did in 2002.</div>
Even assuming you weren't implying that microfracture surgery is appropriate for Vince, this is as speculative as Magic Johnson's assessment. If it is something in the knees, we have no idea what it is or that it would in the least be comparable to the experiences of someone deemed a candidate for or recovering from microfracture surgery.
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Wow, you completely missed the point.
I was in no way implying that Vince needed microfracture surgery. Rather my point is that even for someone coming back from the most debilitating knee surgery, it is possible to rehab back explosiveness. As I said, I don't believe Vince's knees are shot; however, I do believe that he needs a summer of intensive rehab to recondition himself.
He can jump just fine on occasion, but he isn't comfortable doing it all the time. He's a multi-year NBA player that use to jump a lot. It is time for him to change his conditioning program.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Jan 25 2008, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The legs are gone.
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You might say that he's more of a complete player now, but he can't do the things he did in Toronto. Normally on a fastbreak he would throw it down and now he just settles. (hence why he passed on the ball to Wright during a fastbreak yesterday.)</div>
there really is something bothering him physically...vc, even with his lack of aggressiveness, would dunk that given he had a clear lane and is not that stupid to do that head-scratcher of a pass to antoine wright who can rarely finish anything near the rim...
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-MaxaMillion711 (s2's own...I believe?)
You might say that he's more of a complete player now, but he can't do the things he did in Toronto. Normally on a fastbreak he would throw it down and now he just settles. (hence why he passed on the ball to Wright during a fastbreak yesterday.)</div>
there really is something bothering him physically...vc, even with his lack of aggressiveness, would dunk that given he had a clear lane and is not that stupid to do that head-scratcher of a pass to antoine wright who can rarely finish anything near the rim...
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FWIW, I thought VC's knees were basically gone after he got hurt while playing for Toronto. He's not at all been the same player since. If his knees weren't gone, then he was scared of another injury and played like they were...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 25 2008, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, you completely missed the point.
I was in no way implying that Vince needed microfracture surgery. Rather my point is that even for someone coming back from the most debilitating knee surgery, it is possible to rehab back explosiveness. As I said, I don't believe Vince's knees are shot; however, I do believe that he needs a summer of intensive rehab to recondition himself.
He can jump just fine on occasion, but he isn't comfortable doing it all the time. He's a multi-year NBA player that use to jump a lot. It is time for him to change his conditioning program.</div>
No, as usual you try to blame others for your poor communication and reasoning. Microfracture surgery is used to rehabilitate a very narrow category of knee problem: limited degeneration/loss of cartilage. The fact that microfracture surgery followed by rehab can -- for SOME -- result in enough regenerated (if different) cartilage to eliminate pain and permit more explosive use of the thigh muscles and stress on the joint may or may not have anything to do with Vince's knee problems, assuming he has any in the first place. That's my point. You are purely speculating when you state that offseason conditioning has any hope of reversing his "condition".
If he does have a knee issue, it could very well be chronic tendonitis, which is simply not something that will ever go away for a professional athlete and is certainly the last kind of condition you would want to "treat" by intensively using the inflamed tissues during the only time of year the athlete really has to rest.
I was in no way implying that Vince needed microfracture surgery. Rather my point is that even for someone coming back from the most debilitating knee surgery, it is possible to rehab back explosiveness. As I said, I don't believe Vince's knees are shot; however, I do believe that he needs a summer of intensive rehab to recondition himself.
He can jump just fine on occasion, but he isn't comfortable doing it all the time. He's a multi-year NBA player that use to jump a lot. It is time for him to change his conditioning program.</div>
No, as usual you try to blame others for your poor communication and reasoning. Microfracture surgery is used to rehabilitate a very narrow category of knee problem: limited degeneration/loss of cartilage. The fact that microfracture surgery followed by rehab can -- for SOME -- result in enough regenerated (if different) cartilage to eliminate pain and permit more explosive use of the thigh muscles and stress on the joint may or may not have anything to do with Vince's knee problems, assuming he has any in the first place. That's my point. You are purely speculating when you state that offseason conditioning has any hope of reversing his "condition".
If he does have a knee issue, it could very well be chronic tendonitis, which is simply not something that will ever go away for a professional athlete and is certainly the last kind of condition you would want to "treat" by intensively using the inflamed tissues during the only time of year the athlete really has to rest.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jan 25 2008, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Magic's a dumbass...
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Haha, well done sir. This was the post everyone was waiting for.
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^^^ LOL... he's barely got his hand higher than the bottom of the backboard.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jan 25 2008, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 25 2008, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, you completely missed the point.
I was in no way implying that Vince needed microfracture surgery. Rather my point is that even for someone coming back from the most debilitating knee surgery, it is possible to rehab back explosiveness. As I said, I don't believe Vince's knees are shot; however, I do believe that he needs a summer of intensive rehab to recondition himself.
He can jump just fine on occasion, but he isn't comfortable doing it all the time. He's a multi-year NBA player that use to jump a lot. It is time for him to change his conditioning program.</div>
No, as usual you try to blame others for your poor communication and reasoning. Microfracture surgery is used to rehabilitate a very narrow category of knee problem: limited degeneration/loss of cartilage. The fact that microfracture surgery followed by rehab can -- for SOME -- result in enough regenerated (if different) cartilage to eliminate pain and permit more explosive use of the thigh muscles and stress on the joint may or may not have anything to do with Vince's knee problems, assuming he has any in the first place. That's my point. You are purely speculating when you state that offseason conditioning has any hope of reversing his "condition".
If he does have a knee issue, it could very well be chronic tendonitis, which is simply not something that will ever go away for a professional athlete and is certainly the last kind of condition you would want to "treat" by intensively using the inflamed tissues during the only time of year the athlete really has to rest.
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I've never seen such verbose childishness in my life. Congratulations on topping yourself. I expect Jizzy to pick fights with me for no reason, but you are a grown woman. Quit looking for insults to Vince that don't exist.
Microfracture surgery is a surgery of last resort. Just a few seasons ago it was considered a virtual death sentence for NBA players. A professional athlete rehabbing themselves back to pre-injury athleticism is an extremely new phenomena. NBA players coming back from the worst of the worst is a comment to provide hope to fans that are overly worried about this.
As far as speculating, that is what everyone in this thread is doing, including yourself. My speculation is that I don't believe there is anything wrong with his knees.
If it was tendinitis, I have no doubt that we would have heard that diagnosis publicly.
Plus, if the Nets did diagnose him with tendinitis, I'd be very worried since they have misdiagnosed that in the past by missing a more serious condition and calling it tendinitis.
I was in no way implying that Vince needed microfracture surgery. Rather my point is that even for someone coming back from the most debilitating knee surgery, it is possible to rehab back explosiveness. As I said, I don't believe Vince's knees are shot; however, I do believe that he needs a summer of intensive rehab to recondition himself.
He can jump just fine on occasion, but he isn't comfortable doing it all the time. He's a multi-year NBA player that use to jump a lot. It is time for him to change his conditioning program.</div>
No, as usual you try to blame others for your poor communication and reasoning. Microfracture surgery is used to rehabilitate a very narrow category of knee problem: limited degeneration/loss of cartilage. The fact that microfracture surgery followed by rehab can -- for SOME -- result in enough regenerated (if different) cartilage to eliminate pain and permit more explosive use of the thigh muscles and stress on the joint may or may not have anything to do with Vince's knee problems, assuming he has any in the first place. That's my point. You are purely speculating when you state that offseason conditioning has any hope of reversing his "condition".
If he does have a knee issue, it could very well be chronic tendonitis, which is simply not something that will ever go away for a professional athlete and is certainly the last kind of condition you would want to "treat" by intensively using the inflamed tissues during the only time of year the athlete really has to rest.
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I've never seen such verbose childishness in my life. Congratulations on topping yourself. I expect Jizzy to pick fights with me for no reason, but you are a grown woman. Quit looking for insults to Vince that don't exist.
Microfracture surgery is a surgery of last resort. Just a few seasons ago it was considered a virtual death sentence for NBA players. A professional athlete rehabbing themselves back to pre-injury athleticism is an extremely new phenomena. NBA players coming back from the worst of the worst is a comment to provide hope to fans that are overly worried about this.
As far as speculating, that is what everyone in this thread is doing, including yourself. My speculation is that I don't believe there is anything wrong with his knees.
If it was tendinitis, I have no doubt that we would have heard that diagnosis publicly.
Plus, if the Nets did diagnose him with tendinitis, I'd be very worried since they have misdiagnosed that in the past by missing a more serious condition and calling it tendinitis.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Jan 25 2008, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The legs are gone.
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-MaxaMillion711 (s2's own...I believe?)
You might say that he's more of a complete player now, but he can't do the things he did in Toronto. Normally on a fastbreak he would throw it down and now he just settles. (hence why he passed on the ball to Wright during a fastbreak yesterday.)</div>
Wow, Vince makes windmills look so easy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jan 25 2008, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Magic's a dumbass...
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Lol, that totally cracked me up.
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-MaxaMillion711 (s2's own...I believe?)
You might say that he's more of a complete player now, but he can't do the things he did in Toronto. Normally on a fastbreak he would throw it down and now he just settles. (hence why he passed on the ball to Wright during a fastbreak yesterday.)</div>
Wow, Vince makes windmills look so easy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jan 25 2008, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Magic's a dumbass...
Lol, that totally cracked me up.
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I think Last Nights half time report was way over the top for Magic to come out like that about Vince was unnecessary. I think we all know how Chuck feels about Vince, but the halftime show and the commentating during the game especially by Reggie was ridiculous, Bashing Vince is getting a bit tired. If you don't like watching Vince then don't watch him
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Jan 25 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Last Nights half time report was way over the top for Magic to come out like that about Vince was unnecessary. I think we all know how Chuck feels about Vince, but the halftime show and the commentating during the game especially by Reggie was ridiculous, Bashing Vince is getting a bit tired. If you don't like watching Vince then don't watch him</div>
Magic and Chuck's statement were totally legit and an honest observation everyone in NJ have noticed it but no one has commented on it. It hurts us in the sense that everyone in the league knows we have a damaged star and wouldn't trade for what we believe is "equal value".
Lets be real when was the last time we saw VC play a game without that hockey Goalie type padding on his knees ... a year and a half??
Magic and Chuck's statement were totally legit and an honest observation everyone in NJ have noticed it but no one has commented on it. It hurts us in the sense that everyone in the league knows we have a damaged star and wouldn't trade for what we believe is "equal value".
Lets be real when was the last time we saw VC play a game without that hockey Goalie type padding on his knees ... a year and a half??
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (d-blockrep2 @ Jan 25 2008, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Jan 25 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Last Nights half time report was way over the top for Magic to come out like that about Vince was unnecessary. I think we all know how Chuck feels about Vince, but the halftime show and the commentating during the game especially by Reggie was ridiculous, Bashing Vince is getting a bit tired. If you don't like watching Vince then don't watch him</div>
Magic and Chuck's statement were totally legit and an honest observation everyone in NJ have noticed it but no one has commented on it. It hurts us in the sense that everyone in the league knows we have a damaged star and wouldn't trade for what we believe is "equal value".
Lets be real when was the last time we saw VC play a game without that hockey Goalie type padding on his knees ... a year and a half??
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yup, so if we rebuild we just gotta get the best we can get for him and bite the bullet for maybe ayear longer than we wanted, but it will never happen. no way we go into brooklyn with all young kids. unless if we can market a guy like rose or oj mayo who are names some people might already know.
same with rj, if rj is hurt then he isnt worth much either. we have a few guys who are hurt and their values are low thats why i think we should keep magloire for his contract because right now he is a valuable chip for going foward. then again who knows what player who blow money on with that money next year. maybe we can give allen a raise............
Magic and Chuck's statement were totally legit and an honest observation everyone in NJ have noticed it but no one has commented on it. It hurts us in the sense that everyone in the league knows we have a damaged star and wouldn't trade for what we believe is "equal value".
Lets be real when was the last time we saw VC play a game without that hockey Goalie type padding on his knees ... a year and a half??
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yup, so if we rebuild we just gotta get the best we can get for him and bite the bullet for maybe ayear longer than we wanted, but it will never happen. no way we go into brooklyn with all young kids. unless if we can market a guy like rose or oj mayo who are names some people might already know.
same with rj, if rj is hurt then he isnt worth much either. we have a few guys who are hurt and their values are low thats why i think we should keep magloire for his contract because right now he is a valuable chip for going foward. then again who knows what player who blow money on with that money next year. maybe we can give allen a raise............
