Make a Prediction: Bledsoe vs TPE

[Pinwheel1]

in what context?

in the 'who want's Grant anyway' context?

in the 'Little + Milwaukee pick is too much' is too much context?

both?

I'm not a fan of adding Grant, but if the cost is just the Milwaukee pick + Little, while significantly improving the big Blazer TPE, I'm fine with it. Little is way too injury prone. If the Blazers get the 3rd option Grant, they are getting a solid player

In the context of "too much if you add Little" .

I think Little will be as good as Grant. I still want Grant for the TPE and Milwaukee's pick (and maybe a 2nd)
But IMHO including Little as a throw-in because of injury-prone concerns would be short-sited. Half of his "injuries" have essentially been an illness. (Dehydration and Covid) His current labral tear is certainly an injury, but it is unlikely to re-occur. Little has way more upside IMO than Grant. He weighs more and has about the same wingspan. (7'2 vs 7'3") And of course, he is younger and cheaper. I do not want him thrown him in unless the player is much better than Grant. (i.e Siakam)

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The notion that we would give Little plus the Bucks pick for Jerami Grant is absolutely laughable.

Nas is better today. And for everyone counting Nassir out because of injuries, the same could have been said of Steph Curry.

 

[wizenheimer]

The notion that we would give Little plus the Bucks pick for Jerami Grant is absolutely laughable.

Nas is better today. And for everyone counting Nassir out because of injuries, the same could have been said of Steph Curry.

when the Blazers lost the Pels pick and were left with just the Milwaukee pick the forum went ballistic while claiming that the pick had very little value. We all know that's true so I don't need to boot up all the tantrum threads about the Blazers just being left with the Bucks' pick

now, when discussing trading that pick, it's morphed into having dramatically more value than it did the night the Pels won 8th seed. Funny how far the goal posts move depending on the situation.

I understand the dynamic of course and have contributed to it in the past: that being that we talk ourselves into believing Blazer players and Blazer assets have a lot more value than the 'real' world proves they have, time after time. If somebody doesn't want to trade Little for Grant...that's fine. And, if somebody wants to argue that 1st's have more value that Portland has assigned them lately (as in 3 first's for RoCo & Grant), that's fine as well. But Little simply doesn't have the value to be held untouchable in any trade discussion.

 

[Pinwheel1]

when the Blazers lost the Pels pick and were left with just the Milwaukee pick the forum went ballistic while claiming that the pick had very little value. We all know that's true so I don't need to boot up all the tantrum threads about the Blazers just being left with the Bucks' pick

now, when discussing trading that pick, it's morphed into having dramatically more value than it did the night the Pels won 8th seed. Funny how far the goal posts move depending on the situation.

I understand the dynamic of course and have contributed to it in the past: that being that we talk ourselves into believing Blazer players and Blazer assets have a lot more value than the 'real' world proves they have, time after time. If somebody doesn't want to trade Little for Grant...that's fine. And, if somebody wants to argue that 1st's have more value that Portland has assigned them lately (as in 3 first's for RoCo & Grant), that's fine as well. But Little simply doesn't have the value to be held untouchable in any trade discussion.

I don't believe anyone is saying Little is untouchable in any trade scenario. At least I certainly did not. Just for someone like Grant. Maybe Detroit can get more than what we are offering, but I don't think we are giving enough value to the TPE. Wiping 20 million off their roster might be the real prize for them. I know they have said they want to be a player in Free Agency this year. Granted there were some tantrums after the Pels beat the Clippers, but nothing more than what happens here on a regular basis.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

I admit to greed. Hoping to get a larger, newer TPE and Grant for a semi-distant, non-lottery 1st (which I still like to have) and a shorter SF for a combo-Forward … AND EBEC is actually used … Greed. As I admitted, trading Little for Grant has detractors.

Agreed, Wiz, that Detroit would more likely want Little, the Bucks Pick, and getting a sizable TPE. Grant plays his game, now. IMHO, Little gets closer to that good, overall, in a couple years … and the pick in 2025. Agreed, my prediction is unlikely … but there’s a chance, right …

 

[Sheldon Shape]

when the Blazers lost the Pels pick and were left with just the Milwaukee pick the forum went ballistic while claiming that the pick had very little value. We all know that's true so I don't need to boot up all the tantrum threads about the Blazers just being left with the Bucks' pick

now, when discussing trading that pick, it's morphed into having dramatically more value than it did the night the Pels won 8th seed. Funny how far the goal posts move depending on the situation.

According to who? Let's relax with the blanket statements. A first-round pick is a cheap, affordable asset for any team looking to rebuild. Is the Bucks pick less in value than the lottery pick from the Pelicans? Sure. Is there much of a difference between the Bucks pick plus our 2 2nd rounders and the Pelicans pick? I'm willing to bet, not as much as you'd like to think. For a team that doesn't have Grant in their plans for the future, I think Portland with those assets is a likely destination. The Pistons were looking to trade him before the deadline and couldn't find a taker for the value they wanted.

I understand the dynamic of course and have contributed to it in the past: that being that we talk ourselves into believing Blazer players and Blazer assets have a lot more value than the 'real' world proves they have, time after time. If somebody doesn't want to trade Little for Grant...that's fine. And, if somebody wants to argue that 1st's have more value that Portland has assigned them lately (as in 3 first's for RoCo & Grant), that's fine as well. But Little simply doesn't have the value to be held untouchable in any trade discussion.

Who said anything about untouchable? Let's not forget the praise Lillard, Cronin and Billups have given Little this season. He was a top-line prospect coming out of high school and should be treated as such, in light of the production he offered this season. He was a game-changer. No question. We really pulled the plug on the team once he got injured this season. If you want to question whether he can stay healthy or not, that's fine, but that's independent of his skill level and his trajectory as an NBA starter.

 

[Mediocre Man]

After a second helping of pizza, I choose the TPE

 

[RR7]

After a second helping of pizza, I choose the TPE

Is it Detroit style pizza? New York style?

 

[BonesJones]

1. It won’t be popular, but given his injuries and getting close to fish or cut bait on Little’s 2nd contract, it’s Nas+ the Bucks Pick + Bledsoe for Grant. However, Grant gets fit under the TPE and the outgoing sum of Nas and EBEC starts the clock on a new TPE.
2. Portland drafts a forward with their own pick. Murray or Sharpe (SG/SF).

Pretty sure you can't combine contracts to form one TPE and it'd be two separate TPEs.

 

[BonesJones]

I understand the dynamic of course and have contributed to it in the past: that being that we talk ourselves into believing Blazer players and Blazer assets have a lot more value than the 'real' world proves they have, time after time. If somebody doesn't want to trade Little for Grant...that's fine. And, if somebody wants to argue that 1st's have more value that Portland has assigned them lately (as in 3 first's for RoCo & Grant), that's fine as well. But Little simply doesn't have the value to be held untouchable in any trade discussion.

Nothing explains this dynamic like RoCo being worth two 1sts and then RoCo+Norm being worth less than one!

 

[wizenheimer]

Nothing explains this dynamic like RoCo being worth two 1sts and then RoCo+Norm being worth less than one!

start with RoCo not being worth two 1st's. Only an idiot GM would pay that price

 

[Pinwheel1]

start with RoCo not being worth two 1st's. Only an idiot GM would pay that price

Agreed. Although I don't recall a lot of posters on this board having a problem with it at the time either. Hopefully we all learned a lesson on that one.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

start with RoCo not being worth two 1st's. Only an idiot GM would pay that price

Definitely.

Covington's timeline fits Dame's timeline better than Ariza. This will probably be a good trade for Portland. They paid a price, but they received good value. I doubt Covington will be good enough to significantly alter Portland's trajectory. That trajectory will always be shaky with CJ as a #2. But if somehow Portland can add another good player, the combo of Covington and playerX might push Portland close to contending. But playerX can't be Melo or ET....yuck

 

[wizenheimer]

Definitely.

I was wrong, but I wasn't being paid 8M a year for my opinion....if you read closely, I said "idiot GM", not idiot fan

 

[blazerkor]

Agreed. Although I don't recall a lot of posters on this board having a problem with it at the time either. Hopefully we all learned a lesson on that one.

I liked the acquisition and thought it was an overpay and I don't think I was alone in that. I think there were so many of us that hated Olshey by that point that anything outside him actually taking a swing was viewed as treading water. I still like RoCo as a player and the Clippers got him and his bird rights at an amazing price. I did throw a fucking tantrum when the Rockets acquired Christian Wood in a sign and trade for one of the first rounders and Ariza, saying that if Houston could offer him a starting role on a team that would probably lose the most games in the league we definitely could have gotten Wood by offering him the starting role on a team bound for the playoffs... a lot of people argued with that and asked how Olshey could have possibly known, I said it was his job to have explored all options... it was a whole thing. The point is I think a lot of us were excited with RoCo as a player addition but thought Olshey was a fucking idiot for making that acquisition giving up a player who had just been a serviceable starter and two firsts for a slight upgrade. I think it was widely considered a very Olshey move but with a higher price tag than usual.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Pretty sure you can't combine contracts to form one TPE and it'd be two separate TPEs.

I don’t recall. The ability of teams to treat players as combined vs. individual and different from how the other team does … thanks for pulling the emergency break on that one. At the worst EBEC is a good sized TPE any team (or reduction in team salary in a season). As a “small” go-away contract for this season, it works for the Blazers.

 

[blazerfan11]

I was wrong, but I wasn't being paid 8M a year for my opinion....if you read closely, I said "idiot GM", not idiot fan

Agreed. Although I don't recall a lot of posters on this board having a problem with it at the time either. Hopefully we all learned a lesson on that one.

Maybe everyone was just resigned to the fact that Olshey would never trade CJ and at least he was doing something.
I don't know what he could have gotten for CJ and the two first-round picks but if it would have been something like Josh Hart and Jerami Grant a lot of people would have preferred that.