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Round and round in circles with you.
Well there would be no need for circles if you didn't use the past for the Spurs (years and years of winning titles, etc), then use current arguments (Golden State currently has the best record), then discount (Portland made it further last season) and then use (Golden State is better because they have a better record) today, while discounting (Portland today has a much better record than SAS).

As you see, there is this thing called Pot meet kettle. You either stick with one way of argument and use it on all arguments. Almost like how you claim how much better our team would be with the low post presence of boogie, then discount Aldridge's posting up more, scoring more and turning the ball over less in another thread.
 
Colin Meloy knows better than you bozos:
"I’m pretty content with the guys we got. I think our bench has gotten better from last year. But maybe a few more big guys on the bench, because we were scraping the bottom for a bit. I think we’re in good shape. What do I know? Terry Stotts is the master."
I think it's an awesome statement about the Blazers and Rip City that that guy and me are fans of the same team.
 
Well there would be no need for circles if you didn't use the past for the Spurs (years and years of winning titles, etc), then use current arguments (Golden State currently has the best record), then discount (Portland made it further last season) and then use (Golden State is better because they have a better record) today, while discounting (Portland today has a much better record than SAS).

I'm sorry, I mistakenly thought you could follow a string of thoughts - especially your own:

Spurs have won it all and proven they can turn it on.

Yep, which is why I agree that SAS will be a contender until proven otherwise. But GS and Portland are in the same boat then. Dallas, Portland, Clippers, Houston, GS and Memphis are in the same playing field until they knock out the Spurs.

This appears to be you saying that the Spurs get the benefit of the doubt given their 15ish years of dominance. We don't hold their regular season W/L record against them because they "have won it all and proven they can turn it on." "SAS will be a contender until proven otherwise." Do you not agree with your own statements? I thought it was hashed out that we can use SAS's past success to grant them leeway on their not-so-stellar W/L record. GS and POR (and everybody else in the league) don't get that treatment because nobody else has proven anything in the playoffs, which leads us to...

What reason would you have for GS, that hasn't proven anything in the playoffs to have a better chance than the team that made it further?
To which I responded...

blue9 said:
Ummm, they have a better roster with a much stronger bench. I thought that was covered already? What team has made it further than GS?
And you responded...

Portland, clippers, OKC and SAS
Bringing us back to you using the past of POR/LAC/OKC/GS as an indicator of the future. None of those teams (other than SAS) have "made it further than GS" in anything that matters. Last year doesn't mean jack for anyone other than SAS.
 
I'm sorry, I mistakenly thought you could follow a string of thoughts - especially your own:
Show me where I discount SAS (MY OPINION). This is where you failed to understand the flow of the thread, so let me lay it out as simple as I can. It seems you are jumping to conclusions!
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I got crayons, construction paper and glue to help with your understanding! So let's give this a try shall we?!?

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So OneLifeToLive said this "The team as it is right now will not win it all. The team last year was not good enough to win it all. So what do you do if you're the GM if that is the case? You improve.", which I replied "Do you think GS can win it all?"

Then OneLifeToLive replied "Why would they want too? They have best record in the league and are showing no signs of fatigue of letting up?" Obviously this is in reference to the previous season, or past performances has no relation to current success; using this regular season record and stats and ignoring last season's stats and record. And I responded "Because your points about the Blazers not being contenders would apply to GS. We have the second best record with so many injuries, so your second point also applies to the Blazers."

Now this is where you chime in, obviously overlooking the entire concept of what I was talking about....

Blue9 said "Setting up a false dichotomy. Just because GS hasn't/won't make a trade doesn't have any bearing on whether US making a trade would hurt/help our chances of winning it all. Let's throw these false comparisons (GS, SAS) out the window." Which again, you use the current season stats, record and so forth to give credit to the Warriors. Keep in mind that you've said previously and even in this post that we can't compare our team to the Spurs because of their previous championships and achievements. So then your circle begins!

So here is where I give credit to the past Spurs and still not discount them as contenders... And I agree with you about the Spurs being favored, but disagree that you can't use the regular season and current success as a measuring tool as a team being far superior.

So I said "Spurs yes, but GS no. Spurs have won it all and proven they can turn it on. GS hasn't won anything to be considered in the same convo as the Spurs. So far, the Blazers had gone further than the Warriors."

Then you responded "My point is, you can't compare the Blazers to either team (or any team), not that GS and SAS are comparable. There just seem to be a lot of false comparisons between us and GS/SAS lately.
And again - what happened in last year's POs has no bearing on what POR or GS are doing, and can do, this year. Just because we made it to the 2nd round doesn't mean we're going to match or improve on it this year. And just because GS lost in the first round doesn't mean they'll lose in the 1st again."

Say what?!?!?!?! So you can't bring up the past, then use the past for the Spurs being a far superior team than the Blazers? Now this is where you go flip flopping with your arguments when it doesn't support your current opinion in the thread. You can follow from there and see how you are spinning like a dizzy top!

So forgive me if I am getting a little dizzy trying to follow along your flip flopping opinions!

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I begrudgingly gave you a "like". You were full on "like" (with pictures, even!) until you pull that "broken link

BS. Step yo' game up!
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Show me where I discount SAS (MY OPINION). This is where you failed to understand the flow of the thread, so let me lay it out as simple as I can. It seems you are jumping to conclusions!
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I got crayons, construction paper and glue to help with your understanding! So let's give this a try shall we?!?

confused-baby.jpeg


So OneLifeToLive said this "The team as it is right now will not win it all. The team last year was not good enough to win it all. So what do you do if you're the GM if that is the case? You improve.", which I replied "Do you think GS can win it all?"

Then OneLifeToLive replied "Why would they want too? They have best record in the league and are showing no signs of fatigue of letting up?" Obviously this is in reference to the previous season, or past performances has no relation to current success; using this regular season record and stats and ignoring last season's stats and record. And I responded "Because your points about the Blazers not being contenders would apply to GS. We have the second best record with so many injuries, so your second point also applies to the Blazers."

Now this is where you chime in, obviously overlooking the entire concept of what I was talking about....

Blue9 said "Setting up a false dichotomy. Just because GS hasn't/won't make a trade doesn't have any bearing on whether US making a trade would hurt/help our chances of winning it all. Let's throw these false comparisons (GS, SAS) out the window." Which again, you use the current season stats, record and so forth to give credit to the Warriors. Keep in mind that you've said previously and even in this post that we can't compare our team to the Spurs because of their previous championships and achievements. So then your circle begins!

So here is where I give credit to the past Spurs and still not discount them as contenders... And I agree with you about the Spurs being favored, but disagree that you can't use the regular season and current success as a measuring tool as a team being far superior.

So I said "Spurs yes, but GS no. Spurs have won it all and proven they can turn it on. GS hasn't won anything to be considered in the same convo as the Spurs. So far, the Blazers had gone further than the Warriors."

Then you responded "My point is, you can't compare the Blazers to either team (or any team), not that GS and SAS are comparable. There just seem to be a lot of false comparisons between us and GS/SAS lately.
And again - what happened in last year's POs has no bearing on what POR or GS are doing, and can do, this year. Just because we made it to the 2nd round doesn't mean we're going to match or improve on it this year. And just because GS lost in the first round doesn't mean they'll lose in the 1st again."

Say what?!?!?!?! So you can't bring up the past, then use the past for the Spurs being a far superior team than the Blazers? Now this is where you go flip flopping with your arguments when it doesn't support your current opinion in the thread. You can follow from there and see how you are spinning like a dizzy top!

So forgive me if I am getting a little dizzy trying to follow along your flip flopping opinions!

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You Talkin to me bro?
 
Get Green, Chandler, Lil Nate, SOMEBODY who can score at least 10 points off the bench. CJ is a complete joke.
 
I don't think teams will wait until next Thursday to deal with this extended all star break. It gives teams a real opportunity to get the new guys integrated before the second half of the season begins. I'd expect most trades to be completed by the weekend
 
Denny--a new idea to get more clicks.

This board has a shortage of posts which explain with cartoons.
 
I think we might be able to get by without one but that is a piss poor excuse not to take an opportunity to make our team better
 
Will you guys be disappointed if we don't make a move?

No. I'm fine if Neil thinks we are better off this season and next season if we dont make a move based on the options he has/players available.
 
Is it really an opportunity if you have to give up to much?
Nope, that is exactly my point. It has to be for a price that Neil feels is worth it. I just dont want to pass up a deal for the sake of chemistry or because we have been doing "good enough". If Neil doesnt make a move it could also speak to what his plans this summer are.
 
I'll be disappointed that another team chose not to gift us a player who would be an obvious upgrade over what we'd be giving up and who would help us in the playoffs.

I won't be disappointed if the Blazers Brass does not make a trade that would not have been a clear upgrade over what we'd be giving up.
 

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