Man gets 30 days for rape of 14 year-old

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BLAZER PROPHET said:
Hell no.

The man "groomed" and then raped a 14-year old who later committed suicide in part to his treatment of her. That's called murder.

Sexual grooming, rape, murder of a 14 year old and he gets nothing for it?

I think the judge's mental condition needs to be called into question, removed and a new trial with a real judge.
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Sibonas or whatever his name is actually argues against this in this thread.

I think the guy is possibly a pedophile. Reading his posts again, plus the stuff he's posted in the past, wow.
 
PapaG said:
I went to high school with Todd Baugh's son. Also, as a point of interest, Todd Baugh is Slingin' Sammy Baugh's son.
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He's his grandson. Somewhere #33 is hanging his head in shame.
 
Sinobas said:
I think it's silly that people go to prison for having sex with teenagers without proving there was some cohersion in volved. Despite the fact that our society labels them as minors, and despite their psychological short-comings, they are biologically ready to mate. The teenage years are when humans get horny and sexually active, it's just a biological fact. Since it's not inconceivable that they would willingly have sex with someone over 18, those cases shouldn't be considered "rape" by default.

Whether or not something is worthy of being frowned upon, or jail time, are two different things.
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At some point in time, the law matters, regardless of what you think of it.
 
Denny Crane said:
Read the link. The judge read and listened to the girl's testimony and found she was as much in control of the situation as he was.

The girl seems to have consented, regardless of the age difference. Any rape was statutory.

The only link between her relationship and her suicide is the argument her mother made to the judge. Unless there's a suicide note citing the reasons, the rest is speculation.

It looks like the guy is fulfilling he terms of the deal he made with prosecutors. His lawyer argued that switching sex offender programs did not rise to a newer and higher level of punishment. His argument was persuasive.
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What's the age of consent in Montana?
 
We have members of our society that are entrusted to take a partial parental role in our society. Clergy and educators are two of the largest groups. When they violate that covenant, they deserve a harsher punishment than others who commit the same acts but aren't given that trust. Instead, the Catholic Church moves priests to different parishes and teacher unions defend these pieces of excrement. It's a world gone mad.

The only way to weed these maggots out is to put them prison for life. If it happens enough times, perhaps others won't commit the same acts.
 
Nikolokolus said:
What's the age of consent in Montana?
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I think the term is confusing, though.

By "consent" I meant that he didn't commit a forcible / physical / brutal sort of rape. For months she made time to be with him, so it wasn't against her will.
 
Denny Crane said:
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I think the term is confusing, though.

By "consent" I meant that he didn't commit a forcible / physical / brutal sort of rape. For months she made time to be with him, so it wasn't against her will.
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But the whole idea of these laws is that it doesn't matter if she is willing or not, she does not posses the mental faculties or the emotional stability to "consent". We try to protect the weak in our society, and those that are supremely manipulable are weak. We have laws that keep hucksters from cheating the elderly, and we have laws keeping creeps away from those below the age of consent.
 
Denny Crane said:
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I think the term is confusing, though.

By "consent" I meant that he didn't commit a forcible / physical / brutal sort of rape. For months she made time to be with him, so it wasn't against her will.
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I guess I'm just saying that by the law she's unable to consent at 14 ... so the judge's comments about her "being older than her chronological age" or "in control" don't really hold water from a legal perspective.
 
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But the whole idea of these laws is that it doesn't matter if she is willing or not, she does not posses the mental faculties or the emotional stability to "consent". We try to protect the weak in our society, and those that are supremely manipulable are weak. We have laws that keep hucksters from cheating the elderly, and we have laws keeping creeps away from those below the age of consent.
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All that is fine. It should have been brought up at his trial. But he didn't have a trial because a previous judge accepted a deal between him and the prosecutors.

The guy didn't get 30 days for rape, he got 30 days for violating the terms of his bargain.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I guess I'm just saying that by the law she's unable to consent at 14 ... so the judge's comments about her "being older than her chronological age" or "in control" don't really hold water from a legal perspective.
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True. It clearly factored into the deal the prosecutors made with him. It also factors into whether the guy is a threat to abduct and beat and rape someone.
 
Denny Crane said:
All that is fine. It should have been brought up at his trial. But he didn't have a trial because a previous judge accepted a deal between him and the prosecutors.

The guy didn't get 30 days for rape, he got 30 days for violating the terms of his bargain.
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It should be noted that he didn't actually "accept a deal" in the way that we normally think (pleading guilty or no contest). The treatment program was part of a "deferred prosecution" agreement. There is a material difference between the two.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
It should be noted that he didn't actually "accept a deal" in the way that we normally think (pleading guilty or no contest). The treatment program was part of a "deferred prosecution" agreement. There is a material difference between the two.
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The judge gave him 30 days because he got kicked out of the treatment program, but joined another. Reviewing the facts, and after 2.5 years in the program (July 2010-November 2012), plus the psych evaluation, plus the harmless nature of the reasons for getting bounced from the program, 30 days is what the judge reasoned to be fair.

The headline of the story is misleading. The guy got 30 days for violating his agreement. He got 3 years of treatment as penalty for the rape charges. Blame he guys who gave him the deal.

The girl committed suicide before the deal was made, too. Taken into account.
 
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The Montana judge who drew national outrage and calls for his removal after handing down the slap-on-the-wrist penalty to Stacey Dean Rambold -- who was 49 when he had sex several times with a 14-year-old female student -- now says he screwed up and misunderstood the state’s sentencing requirements.

Yellowstone County District Court Judge G. Todd Baugh (pictured) will hold a hearing Friday to figure out if the light sentence that he imposed was actually illegal. Baugh now says that the state requires a mandatory minimum sentence of two years. He also said that even when he issued the 31-day sentence with credit for one day already served, prosecutors did not point out to him that he was giving less than the minimum sentence under Montana law.
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This judge sounds like an idiot.
 
I love how the judge blames his ignorance of the law on the lawyers.
 
maxiep said:
I love how the judge blames his ignorance of the law on the lawyers.
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That judge should know sentencing guidelines for serious crimes such as rape (he should know all sentencing guidelines but rape is a big one). At the same time, what kind of prosecutor doesn't know the sentencing guidelines for rape and why did they not mention that at the hearing. This whole court sounds like a kangaroo court . . . and they are handling serious felony cases?
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
That judge should know sentencing guidelines for serious crimes such as rape (he should know all sentencing guidelines but rape is a big one). At the same time, what kind of prosecutor doesn't know the sentencing guidelines for rape and why did they not mention that at the hearing. This whole court sounds like a kangaroo court . . . and they are handling serious felony cases?
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[video]http://youtu.be/y0O7_3o3BrI?t=23s[/video]
 
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150,000 manhaters signed a petition to allow a lesbian to commit statutory rape. If a man does it, he gets years in prison. Once out, he is unemployable and usually lives in the street for his remaining few years.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/23/justice/florida-teen-sex-case/index.html

During her Facebook campaign, she repeatedly violated court orders to stay away from the child. She complained that men aren't punished, and that she was being discriminated against. She refused 2 plea bargains before whittling it down to no felony. Ever heard of a prosecutor doing that? So she was let off with only 4 months in jail. She will not be a felon.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/02/justice/florida-gay-teen-kaitlyn-hunt-case/
 
The thread story about the man was near the top of Google and Bing news for a couple of weeks, trying to get us outraged. It resulted in a review of the case. This new case about the lesbian and her "cause" will be out of the news in a day.
 
One, because she's a cute high schooler.

Two, because she's female.

Three.... If we could all recall out senior years of HS and the seniors hooking up with the frosh.... Many of us would be felons.

Not saying it's right. Just saying I'm not surprised. But this is a much different case than the original subject.
 
No, Reason #1 was that she started a Facebook campaign and got the usual alliance of lesbians and manhaters together. Usually, the religious sexhaters join such alliances, but not when it's so explicitly gay as this "cause."

As for her being cute, the hundreds of teen males who go to jail each year for statutory rape, for voluntary sex with girlfriends, are equally cute and that doesn't help them.
 
jlprk said:
No, Reason #1 was that she started a Facebook campaign and got the usual alliance of lesbians and manhaters together. Usually, the religious sexhaters join such alliances, but not when it's so explicitly gay as this "cause."

As for her being cute, the hundreds of teen males who go to jail each year for statutory rape, for voluntary sex with girlfriends, are equally cute and that doesn't help them.
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Agreed on point one. But don't be ridiculous on your second point. Cute girls always advance further than boys in a man's world.

Not saying it's right, but it's always been that way.
 
We agree that "The law is an ass," as Charles Dickens put it.
 
jlprk said:
We agree that "The law is an ass," as Charles Dickens put it.
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True. But it comes with it being a "man's world".

I suppose we're losing that grip, but everything falls behind at a delayed pace.
 
jlprk said:
150,000 manhaters signed a petition to allow a lesbian to commit statutory rape. If a man does it, he gets years in prison. Once out, he is unemployable and usually lives in the street for his remaining few years.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/23/justice/florida-teen-sex-case/index.html

During her Facebook campaign, she repeatedly violated court orders to stay away from the child. She complained that men aren't punished, and that she was being discriminated against. She refused 2 plea bargains before whittling it down to no felony. Ever heard of a prosecutor doing that? So she was let off with only 4 months in jail. She will not be a felon.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/02/justice/florida-gay-teen-kaitlyn-hunt-case/
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This has a chance to be an epic war of words depending on the stance of a certain individual here
 
jlprk said:
150,000 manhaters signed a petition to allow a lesbian to commit statutory rape. If a man does it, he gets years in prison. Once out, he is unemployable and usually lives in the street for his remaining few years.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/23/justice/florida-teen-sex-case/index.html

During her Facebook campaign, she repeatedly violated court orders to stay away from the child. She complained that men aren't punished, and that she was being discriminated against. She refused 2 plea bargains before whittling it down to no felony. Ever heard of a prosecutor doing that? So she was let off with only 4 months in jail. She will not be a felon.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/02/justice/florida-gay-teen-kaitlyn-hunt-case/
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Read it and I fully agree with the State. That gal should accept the plea deal, get some serious counseling (as any sex offender should) andtry and learn from this.
 
The "lesbian committing stat rape" was 18 and had been in a relationship with a high school classmate for over a year. Both sets of parents knew. When the older girl turned 18 (I think the younger was 16 then) the younger girl's parents charged her with stat rape. She was dragged out of school in handcuffs, expelled, and charged with a felony. Many states have what are called "Romeo and Juliet" laws, where if two teens are in an established relationship and are within 3 years of each other's age, it is a misdemeanor. These laws were, if not started, at least picked up steam, when an 18 year old got his 15 year old girlfriend pregnant, was ready to marry her, when the girl's parents charged him with statutory rape. He got some very long sentence, I forget how many years, and after his release would not be allowed to have contact with her or their child. The judge was very unhappy, many jurors were in tears, but the law as written allowed nothing else. Hence the change in laws. Unfortunately in most states those laws apply only to heterosexual couples. Although I suppose anyone who points that out is a "manhater". Had this 18 year old girl been a boy, she might have gotten probation. As it was, she got a "deal", but no high school diploma and she has to register as a sex offender. Great future for an 18 year old, expelled from school, registered sex offender.

Evidence that the 150,000 were manhaters? Oh, none needed, of course. I mean, why let facts get in the way when you can just insult women? And men, who also signed?

This has absolutely zero to do, of course, with a 49 year old man repeatedly raping a 14 year old girl and anyone who has an ounce of sense would see that. Still, why let facts get in the way? Contempt for women can deprive males of their senses, assuming those "men" had any sense to begin with.

So, all of your rape apologists, answer this one. Did Jerry Sandusky get a raw deal? After all, it was just statutory. Not a "real", "beat them up" kind of rape. Just statutory. Not "legitimate" rape. Just statutory. And many of the boys had repeated encounters, wasn't that a relationship? Should Sandusky have gotten 30 days?

Or is Sandusky's real crime that he treated boys the way only girls and women should be treated by raping them?
 
The man in the OP didn't get 30 days for rape.

He was given a plea bargain several years ago, even after the girl committed suicide.

The same sort of plea bargain this girl is getting.

The 150,000 manhaters remark? I took that as him mocking anti-gay kinds of statements we see and don't like.
 
crandc said:
The "lesbian committing stat rape" was 18 and had been in a relationship with a high school classmate for over a year. Both sets of parents knew. When the older girl turned 18 (I think the younger was 16 then) the younger girl's parents charged her with stat rape. She was dragged out of school in handcuffs, expelled, and charged with a felony. Many states have what are called "Romeo and Juliet" laws, where if two teens are in an established relationship and are within 3 years of each other's age, it is a misdemeanor. These laws were, if not started, at least picked up steam, when an 18 year old got his 15 year old girlfriend pregnant, was ready to marry her, when the girl's parents charged him with statutory rape. He got some very long sentence, I forget how many years, and after his release would not be allowed to have contact with her or their child. The judge was very unhappy, many jurors were in tears, but the law as written allowed nothing else. Hence the change in laws. Unfortunately in most states those laws apply only to heterosexual couples. Although I suppose anyone who points that out is a "manhater". Had this 18 year old girl been a boy, she might have gotten probation. As it was, she got a "deal", but no high school diploma and she has to register as a sex offender. Great future for an 18 year old, expelled from school, registered sex offender.

Evidence that the 150,000 were manhaters? Oh, none needed, of course. I mean, why let facts get in the way when you can just insult women? And men, who also signed?

This has absolutely zero to do, of course, with a 49 year old man repeatedly raping a 14 year old girl and anyone who has an ounce of sense would see that. Still, why let facts get in the way? Contempt for women can deprive males of their senses, assuming those "men" had any sense to begin with.

So, all of your rape apologists, answer this one. Did Jerry Sandusky get a raw deal? After all, it was just statutory. Not a "real", "beat them up" kind of rape. Just statutory. Not "legitimate" rape. Just statutory. And many of the boys had repeated encounters, wasn't that a relationship? Should Sandusky have gotten 30 days?

Or is Sandusky's real crime that he treated boys the way only girls and women should be treated by raping them?
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She has to register as a sex offender because she is one.

I saw a story a while back about an 18 year old female high school senior who made a poor choice by giving her 17 year old boyfriend a hand job in class during a movie. She was charged with stat rape. neither one of them was homosexual.

Talk about playing the victim card....Oh poor lesbians. this only happened because they are gay. Give me a fucking break
 
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