Man, Hard To Believe About MLK Jr.

[ABM]

He was only 39 when he was assassinated! I had thought he was at least in his mid to late 40's!

Anyway.............

 

[Further]

And he was Black

I thought he was Taiwanese, I was wrong.

 

[ABM]

And he was Black

I thought he was Taiwanese, I was wrong.

not. funny.

 

[ABM]

Way to delete that, Sly. I had a special response for you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Way to delete that, Sly. I had a special response for you.

I forgot whose thread I was replying to. Sorry about that.

 

[Further]

not. funny.

Really? Not very funny, or not at all funny?

 

[ABM]

Really? Not very funny, or not at all funny?

OK, OK....coming from you? Hi-larious!!

 

[Further]

OK, OK....coming from you? Hi-larious!!

Quit it, you're making me blush.






Serious note, he is a true hero of mine and both he and his goals deserve respect and contemplation.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I thought it was a clever line.

 

[julius]

I thought Sly's comment was funny. Especially if you know history and appreciate Lutheran related jokes.

 

[Eastoff]

It is a good thing to see that we as a society have moved to the point where racism is not the norm. It may always exist on some level but it is the minority at least.

 

[ABM]

I thought Sly's comment was funny. Especially if you know history and appreciate Lutheran related jokes.

I can only imagine what Sly says about me in the moderator's-only forum.

 

[mook]

Yesterday I explained to my 7 year old son the importance of this day (and MLK's life). He had this really puzzled look on his face when I told him how there were a lot of people who were mean to people with dark skin (like my son's friend across the street), and he told them to stop it, and somebody killed him for it. My son's expression was something I'd like remember and hold on to as he gets older and more jaded.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think he was one of america's greatest men.

But how does it square with separation of church and state to make a holiday for a baptist minister?

I'm not at all against the holiday in his name. It's just a question that I've had all along.

 

[mook]

I think he was one of america's greatest men.

But how does it square with separation of church and state to make a holiday for a baptist minister?

I'm not at all against the holiday in his name. It's just a question that I've had all along.

I don't have a problem with it. If he was like the original Martin Luther and made his name by advocating for a religion, it'd be different. But the celebration of MLK has almost nothing to do with the Baptist Church.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't have a problem with it. If he was like the original Martin Luther and made his name by advocating for a religion, it'd be different. But the celebration of MLK has almost nothing to do with the Baptist Church.

I think King considered himself to be a minister above all else. Even so, in a society that is actively purging religion and religious display from the public square, the holiday is quite the opposite.

 

[Eastoff]

I think King considered himself to be a minister above all else. Even so, in a society that is actively purging religion and religious display from the public square, the holiday is quite the opposite.

Made you don't intend it this way, but your last two posts come across as stirring up shit for posts and making liberals angry.

To answer your original question, I concur with mook. This holiday is in celebration of unity of american cultures and all colors of skin.

 

[Denny Crane]

Made you don't intend it this way, but your last two posts come across as stirring up shit for posts and making liberals angry.

To answer your original question, I concur with mook. This holiday is in celebration of unity of american cultures and all colors of skin.

I'm all about the celebration, the unity, being colorblind about skin pigment.

All I'm doing is pointing out that spending $.01 of the treasury on the holiday might be considered establishment of religion (baptist).

 

[tlongII]

I think he was one of america's greatest men.

But how does it square with separation of church and state to make a holiday for a baptist minister?

I'm not at all against the holiday in his name. It's just a question that I've had all along.

Isn't Christmas a holiday?

 

[MARIS61]

MLK Day has nothing at all to do with religion in general or the Baptist church specifically, or even the fact that MLK was an ordained minister.

 

[MARIS61]

All but one or two senators and representatives, the President and his administration, most law enforcement and military personnel, insist that they are guided by (their) god above all else.

If you're concerned about separation between church and state, atheism needs to be a requirement of office.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Couldn't we argue that by pretending we're separating church and state is a show of atheism, and then in and of itself would then be an issue of church and state? Atheism is a set of beliefs, or lack thereof. And the fact we pretend religion doesn't exist, the separation of church and state.... it all offends me.

 

[Denny Crane]

Isn't Christmas a holiday?

You think federal employees would show up for work if it wasn't?

 

[Eastoff]

Couldn't we argue that by pretending we're separating church and state is a show of atheism, and then in and of itself would then be an issue of church and state? Atheism is a set of beliefs, or lack thereof. And the fact we pretend religion doesn't exist, the separation of church and state.... it all offends me.

Let's not get into that.

 

[ABM]

Interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_religion

The religious views of Thomas Jefferson diverged widely from the orthodox Christianity of his day. Throughout his life Jefferson was intensely interested in theology, religious studies, and morality.[1] Jefferson was most closely connected with Unitarianism and the religious philosophy of Christian deism.[2]

As the principal author of the United States Declaration of Independence, Jefferson articulated a statement about human rights that most Americans regard as nearly sacred. While not necessarily being adverse to such things as affirming the people's "acknowledging and adoring an overruling providence" (as in his First Inaugural Address[3]), and expressing the need for "the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old"[4] in his second inauguration, yet, together with James Madison, Jefferson carried on a long and successful campaign against state financial support of churches in Virginia. It is Jefferson who created the phrase "wall of separation between church and state" in his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists of Connecticut. During his 1800 campaign for the presidency, Jefferson had to contend with critics who argued that he was unfit to hold office because he did not have orthodox religious beliefs.

Jefferson cut and pasted pieces of the New Testament together to compose The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth (the "Jefferson Bible"), which excluded any miracles by Jesus and stressed his moral message. Though he often expressed his opposition to clergy and to Christian doctrines, Jefferson repeatedly expressed his belief in a deistic god and his admiration for Jesus as a moral teacher. Opposed to Calvinism, Trinitarianism, and what he identified as Platonic elements in Christianity, in private letters Jefferson variously refers to himself as "Christian" (1803),[5] "a sect by myself" (1819),[6] an "Epicurean" (1819),[7] a "Materialist" (1820),[8] and a "Unitarian by myself" (1825).[9] Historian Sydney E. Ahlstrom associated Jefferson with "rational religion" or deism.[10]

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Let's not get into that.

Quit trying to suppress and oppress!!

 

[Eastoff]

Quit trying to suppress and oppress!!

I'd be happy to open a new thread if you want it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I can only imagine what Sly says about me in the moderator's-only forum.

Absolutely nothing. I have no problems with you.

 

[julius]

Don't believe him for a second ABM! Sly does nothing but talk smack about you!














in that hardly anything is said or posted in the forum there so I'm obviously making this up.

 

[ABM]

Don't believe him for a second ABM! Sly does nothing but talk smack about you!

Sly's simply a jerk in sheepish clothing.